Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Shurimgreat

With the best will in the world, I can't see anything other than a Dublin victory.

I know the Mayo players will give it everything as this particular group of players have always done and will be carried out on their shields. But I have a feeling once more Mayo will come up short, maybe by just a point or two.

If Rochford can learn from the experience of an AI final, and how to close them out, I'd be happy. Its something managers in a couple of previous finals failed to do when the game was there for the taking.

It will be a good game, an exciting game, probably like 2013, but Dublin to win again. There's been talk of them as one of the greatest teams of all time, so the 3 in a row in 2017 would be a fitting achievement and hats off to them if they do it.

km79

Shurimgreat wrote: »

With the best will in the world, I can't see anything other than a Dublin victory.

I know the Mayo players will give it everything as this particular group of players have always done and will be carried out on their shields. But I have a feeling once more Mayo will come up short, maybe by just a point or two.

If Rochford can learn from the experience of an AI final, and how to close them out, I'd be happy. Its something managers in a couple of previous finals failed to do when the game was there for the taking.

It will be a good game, an exciting game, probably like 2013, but Dublin to win again. There's been talk of them as one of the greatest teams of all time, so the 3 in a row in 2017 would be a fitting achievement and hats off to them if they do it.

They haven't even done the 2 in a row yet !
There has been an awful lot of ****e talked about Sunday's game IMO
The best game in 20 years . Give me a break. It was AWFUL for 25 minutes. Dublin strolling around . Kerry pumping aimless ball into the forwards. A mistake let's Kerry in and it's game on.
Kerry then disappear for the last 10 minutes
A very good last 45 minutes yes
An all time classic NO WAY

seligehgit

km79 wrote: »

They haven't even done the 2 in a row yet !
There has been an awful lot of ****e talked about Sunday's game IMO
The best game in 20 years . Give me a break. It was AWFUL for 25 minutes. Dublin strolling around . Kerry pumping aimless ball into the forwards. A mistake let's Kerry in and it's game on.
Kerry then disappear for the last 10 minutes
A very good last 45 minutes yes
An all time classic NO WAY

Yes there's been an awful amount of raimeis talked about the game on Sunday..game of the ages.The 2013 semi final clash was a far superior clash..People have short memories..

The 2014 semi final replay between Mayo and Kerry was exceptional.The first half of the replay last year was as good a 35 odd minutes of football as you're likely to witness.The game as a whole was absorbing until Dublin unleashed their bench.

Irrespective of the quality of Sunday's clash we face a monumental task.

PressRun

People are definitely getting a bit carried away. Colm Keys ranked it as the best match of the modern era in the Independent, which I thought was a bit mad. It was an entertaining match in parts and Kerry gave it a proper lash at least, but I definitely felt the quality of 2013 semi-final was higher and, although we came out the wrong end of it, I think our semi-finals with Kerry in 2014 were about as dramatic as you could get in football. The last 10 minutes of the 2015 drawn semi-final between Mayo and Dublin was a bit mental too and highly enjoyable if only for the pure chaos of it all.

Stoner

PressRun wrote:

People are definitely getting a bit carried away. Colm Keys ranked it as the best match of the modern era in the Independent, which I thought was a bit mad. It was an entertaining match in parts and Kerry gave it a proper lash at least, but I definitely felt the quality of 2013 semi-final was higher and, although we came out the wrong end of it, I think our semi-finals with Kerry in 2014 were about as dramatic as you could get in football. The last 10 minutes of the 2015 drawn semi-final between Mayo and Dublin was a bit mental too and highly enjoyable if only for the pure chaos of it all.

Yes it couldn't have been that good, no goals from Dublin, one great and one not so great goal from Kerry.
The two kerry Mayo games in 2014 were better imo
2013 kerry Dublin and 2011 was better.
Didn't really like any of that first Mayo Dublin in 2015 though horrible atmosphere at it.

Rainman16

Rainman16 wrote: »

Because he plays for Mayo. A team who don't have the mental toughness to be all Ireland champions. Physically I have no doubt Mayo have the ability, the players to win a game of football against Dublin. But this is an All Ireland final day in Croke Park and Mayo always collapse under the pressure, they don't have the mentality.
to

Breaking new ground? There's nothing new about this situation for Mayo. They go to finals, they come home empty handed. 2012 vs Donegal, 2013 vs Dublin. The same thing will happen this year.



I agree. Mayo have very talented players, on their day they will beat most teams, but they won't beat this Dublin team. Dublin will be even stronger for they win over Kerry. Yesterday we saw a fantastic game of football. The two best teams in the country going head to head. Mayo don't have what it takes to beat either of them in an All Ireland final.

I disagree, I see absolutely no reason why Mayo aren't good enough to win this game. I'd like to see them push high up on those Dublin kickouts and give Cluxton something to think about.

It's a new game on September 18th. History won't have a bearing on it. Mayo need to show courage and abandon and learn from previous mistakes. History granted isn't on their side but was history on Armagh's side in 02? Or even Tipperary's side this year?

corny

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree, I see absolutely no reason why Mayo aren't good enough to win this game. I'd like to see them push high up on those Dublin kickouts and give Cluxton something to think about.

It's a new game on September 18th. History won't have a bearing on it. Mayo need to show courage and abandon and learn from previous mistakes. History granted isn't on their side but was history on Armagh's side in 02? Or even Tipperary's side this year?

Apparently Kerry had planned to 'push up' on Dublin only when Colm Cooper was over a free. The logic being that they had time to get the press prepared and they knew Cooper would kick it dead so Cluxton wasn't going to beat them to it.

Anyway, we know what happened in the first half but watch Cluxtons first kickout of the second half in the 41st minute. Camera goes to Fitzmaurice right after Cooper scores, he makes the gesture with his hands up in the air to press, camera goes back to the game, Kerry lads are already in position and Cluxton with no hesitation bangs it right over the top of them 60 yards up the pitch. Ended up with Connolly running in open country and Kerry defenders scurrying back trying to get into position. Kerry didn't push up again in the game.

The point being Dublin adapted after the first half. Gavin probably ate Cluxton in the dressing room for his stupidity. Mayo might try it and hope Cluxton isn't under orders next day but i wouldn't hold my breath. Its more likely Dublin will prepare and take them on at their own game. Attackers won't follow the backs pushing up into midfield in anticipation of winning the breaking ball just as Connolly did. That could be disaster for Mayo if they do win it. High wire act if ever there was one.

I agree they need to be positive and can win but they'll give Johnny Cooper the kick out and they'll be right to do it imo.

naughto

Any one no anything about the two new lads that are sapose to be added to the panel from Westport and burrishoole mark McCaffrey and tom dyra.

Big mountain of men as well

naughto

naughto wrote: »

Any one no anything about the two new lads that are sapose to be added to the panel from Westport and burrishoole mark McCaffrey and tom dyra.

Big mountain of men as well

Hmm, Is Rochford going to do a Cody i wonder? (Blanchfield/Walter Walsh)

Fr Tod Umptious

Shurimgreat wrote: »

With the best will in the world, I can't see anything other than a Dublin victory.

I know the Mayo players will give it everything as this particular group of players have always done and will be carried out on their shields. But I have a feeling once more Mayo will come up short, maybe by just a point or two.

If Rochford can learn from the experience of an AI final, and how to close them out, I'd be happy. Its something managers in a couple of previous finals failed to do when the game was there for the taking.

It will be a good game, an exciting game, probably like 2013, but Dublin to win again. There's been talk of them as one of the greatest teams of all time, so the 3 in a row in 2017 would be a fitting achievement and hats off to them if they do it.

The optimist in me tells me that Rochford is more tactically aware than what has gone before him.

It looks like he has been able to adapt the game plan based on who we are playing.

But the thing about it is that it's all optimism in my head, even though I know full well we have played in dribs and drabs and that Dublin are the top team in the country

90% of my waking hours are spent thinking about the game and it's all positive thoughts, it's all thoughts of Mayo winning, the scores, the final whistle, the presentation, the homecoming, the stories, they joy
Any thoughts of heading down the NCR before Cluxton has even reached the top of the steps to collect the cup are only fleeting and gone in an instant.

It's never thoughts of a 30 something year old forward being roasted by a 20 something year old back.

And I'm not going to apologise for this optimism, it's only natural

naughto

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hmm, Is Rochford going to do a Cody i wonder? (Blanchfield/Walter Walsh)

Was thinking that when I heard it, don't no if mountain men can play football.
Does that mean two other lads miss out from the panel if there brought in

charlie14

naughto wrote: »

Any one no anything about the two new lads that are sapose to be added to the panel from Westport and burrishoole mark McCaffrey and tom dyra.

Big mountain of men as well

Interesting if true. Makes me wonder if Rochford has the same train of thought as myself on height in the Dublin back line.
Then again, calling in lads at this late date could just be an attempt to play with Galvin`s head.
Hard to say, but I cannot see Dublin doing anything radical with their back line.

Bunny Colvin

naughto wrote: »

Was thinking that when I heard it, don't no if mountain men can play football.
Does that mean two other lads miss out from the panel if there brought in

What's the craic with the man mountains? Any good?

PARlance

First thoughts would be that they've been brought in for the main purpose of providing big physical athletic opposition in training / training matches over the next 3 weeks. The B side in the A vs B games would be extremely light at present and wouldn't be much of a preparation for the Dubs. Rochford has taken an opposition based approach all year, I don't think he's going to ditch that now.

Don't know much about either of them but word will probably get out in the next week or so.

km79

PARlance wrote: »

First thoughts would be that they've been brought in for the main purpose of providing big physical athletic opposition in training / training matches over the next 3 weeks. The B side in the A vs B games would be extremely light at present and wouldn't be much of a preparation for the Dubs. Rochford has taken an opposition based approach all year, I don't think he's going to ditch that now.

Don't know much about either of them but word will probably get out in the next week or so.

this is what I think too
I really really like what I've seen from Rochford
Not afraid to try different systems etc
Makes changes early in games
Coincidentally these are all the things Horan failed/refused to do. For 4 years.
The cries for him to return have died down haven't they ........

PARlance

km79 wrote: »

this is what I think too
I really really like what I've seen from Rochford
Not afraid to try different systems etc
Makes changes early in games
Coincidentally these are all the things Horan failed/refused to do. For 4 years.
The cries for him to return have died down haven't they ........

I wasn't sure about him at the start but he has certainly won me over. We were both scratching our heads with the Higgins experiment not so long ago.

For me, he has shown enough of late to be given plenty of credit and more time, it's exciting having someone like him in charge. We're no longer predictable and we badly needed a shake up.

It's a fickle game though, the performance in 3 weeks will determine if he's a legend (win), a decent manager (close defeat) or a failure (heavy defeat) for many.

Coillte_Bhoy

PARlance wrote: »

I wasn't sure about him at the start but he has certainly won me over. We were both scratching our heads with the Higgins experiment not so long ago.

For me, he has shown enough of late to be given plenty of credit and more time, it's exciting having someone like him in charge. We're no longer predictable and we badly needed a shake up.

It's a fickle game though, the performance in 3 weeks will determine if he's a legend (win), a decent manager (close defeat) or a failure (heavy defeat) for many.

Think it would be very unfair to label him a failure even after a heavy defeat. It's his first year, he came in at a very difficult time for all involved. He has shown that he is tactically astute and adapt game plans accordingly. He certainly deserves the full 3 years he was given at the start.

PARlance

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Think it would be very unfair to label him a failure even after a heavy defeat. It's his first year, he came in at a very difficult time for all involved. He has shown that he is tactically astute and adapt game plans accordingly. He certainly deserves the full 3 years he was given at the start.

I agree but it's almost a given that the season will be revised by many people if there was a heavy defeat. I wouldn't think that myself but I'm sure there would be many doing so.

A bad defeat and suddenly people will be turning today's positives into Sept 19ths negatives... too many changes, messing around with players positions, no defined plan, should have brought in more U-21's rather than looking to Andy, playing to the opposition more than ourselves etc etc. Maybe failure was the wrong word but his year will be defined by 70-75 mins.

Westernyelp

naughto wrote: »

Any one no anything about the two new lads that are sapose to be added to the panel from Westport and burrishoole mark McCaffrey and tom dyra.

Big mountain of men as well

Where are you hearing this Naughto?

naughto

Westernyelp wrote: »

Where are you hearing this Naughto?

My spies tell me

Westernyelp

naughto wrote: »

My spies tell me

Fair enough, are these spies in any way reliable? or prone to a bit of BS?

naughto

Westernyelp wrote: »

Fair enough, are these spies in any way reliable? or prone to a bit of BS?

Bit of both

Westernyelp

naughto wrote: »

Bit of both

I'll go with the latter so

Fr Tod Umptious

The two mountain men story reminds me of the Alan Murphy, was that his name ?, from Ballinrobe, who was supposed to com into Horans setup a few years back.

naughto

I would say it's just for the a vrs b games nothing else

thesultan

Can Mayo get ontop midfield and for O'Shea to get motoring?

Stoner

naughto wrote:

Bit of both

Lol.

yop

I see Conor Lane is the ref. If memory serves me right he had to get a garda escort off the pitch in McHale park more than once!

PARlance

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

The two mountain men story reminds me of the Alan Murphy, was that his name ?, from Ballinrobe, who was supposed to com into Horans setup a few years back.

Can just about remember that, yip it was Alan Murphy. A good soccer player for Galway United. Would have sworn that was pre Horan.

yop

PARlance wrote: »

Can just about remember that, yip it was Alan Murphy. A good soccer player for Galway United. Would have sworn that was pre Horan.

No, Horan called him up