Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

PARlance · 26-08-2016 01:03PM

Robeman wrote: »

Mayo will either win the final or they will lose

Could go to a replay but fully agreed.

"At the end of the day, it's 15 v 15" pretty much contradicts all that you've said before. But fair dues, you've covered all the bases.

yop · 26-08-2016 01:07PM

Blud wrote: »

In post 4457 you throw out a sarcastic remark about the county board being regular on here, and post 4467 you're telling me to set up a Facebook group. What do you know abou the county board's Facebook habits that I don't?

We've gone the official route, it's with our club rep who is a good man. Im posting anonymously on a discussion forum just to discuss the issue, it seems odd that you (as a boards mod) seem not to appreciate that.

And my comment re 'first game since Sept 2013' was clearly sarcasm aimed at barbs sent my way by naughto on this thread, at least km79 seemed to understand!

Well if its with your club rep then it will be brought to the CB won't it?
Me been a mod has nothing to do with this forum, what don't I appreciate? As I said already I get what the issue is, I had the same issue many times, its not new, its never been tackled, so what I am saying is do something about it, it seems you have.

As for barbs, its a case of opinions, if its not one that you dont seem to agree with then your posts are just showing that.

Anyway, the decision has been made now, time to move onto the final.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 01:21PM

Blud wrote: »

Claiming that we've always had the talent is incorrect. When was the last year that we could make a genuine case that we were the best team in Ireland? 1997?

We have never been the best team in Ireland since 1951. In 97 we were second best.

My point is we always have good talent available eyery year but so do the Kerrys, Dublins, Tyrones, Corks, Galways and all other strong footballing counties. Having the talent is not enough it is how you manage it and how you manage whole process around winning an All Ireland.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 01:29PM

PARlance wrote: »

Could go to a replay but fully agreed.

"At the end of the day, it's 15 v 15" pretty much contradicts all that you've said before. But fair dues, you've covered all the bases.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and for you insightful post in response.

PARlance · 26-08-2016 01:40PM

Robeman wrote: »

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and for you insightful post in response.

No worries, it'll be a long 3 weeks.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 01:54PM

PARlance wrote: »

No worries, it'll be a long 3 weeks.

This probably summarises my thinking

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships". Michael Jordan

PARlance · 26-08-2016 01:55PM

Robeman wrote: »

This probably summarises my thinking

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships". Michael Jordan

Michael never had the County Board to deal with though.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:07PM

PARlance wrote: »

Michael never had the County Board to deal with though.

True.

Was thinking that Mayo County Board should look for ticket distribution contract from OCI for next Olympics. Unlikely they would get caught doing anything dodgy. They are masters at ticket distribution. Pro 10 \ THG could lean a lot from them.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:08PM

PARlance wrote: »

Michael never had the County Board to deal with though.

True.

Was thinking that Mayo County Board should look for ticket distribution contract from OCI for next Olympics. Unlikely they would get caught doing anything dodgy. They are masters at ticket distribution. Pro 10 \ THG could learn a lot from them.

Utopia Parkway · 26-08-2016 02:09PM

Robeman wrote: »

John O Mahoney could win 2 All Ireland with Galway but none with Mayo even with 2 stints in charge why ? Answer I would say was county board.

Bit harsh to blame the county board for JOM not winning an All-Ireland. The truth is he had the players in Galway (especially depth of talent amongst the forwards) that he didn't have in Mayo in either of his two spells. He had 3 absolutely brilliant forwards in Galway in Joyce, Donnellan and Fallon and even some of their lesser forwards like Savage and Paul Clancy were very good players in their own right. Ciaran McDonald was the only forward Mayo had in the same class of Joyce, Donnellan and Fallon. Not like the Galway county board is any better organised than the Mayo one. Ultimately having enough available talent at the same time makes the difference and having a management team that helps the team rather than hinders it.

Squatman · 26-08-2016 02:13PM

Robeman wrote: »

We have never been the best team in Ireland since 1951. In 97 we were second best.

My point is we always have good talent available eyery year but so do the Kerrys, Dublins, Tyrones, Corks, Galways and all other strong footballing counties. Having the talent is not enough it is how you manage it and how you manage whole process around winning an All Ireland.

How many kerrys are in Ireland. Same question for Dublins, Tyrones.... thats RTE punditry level of GAA clichés...

yop · 26-08-2016 02:19PM

Luck has a big part to play in winning anything, not just AI finals and we seem to be lucky to be on the end of some pox luck, in my opinion of course, red and green tints maybe but there were a few finals where we didn't get the luck. This year maybe we have been luckier in some of the games, you can say some of the decisions went for us, AOS penalty, the black card last Sunday, Tyrone losing Sean Cav and missing a few simple chances.

Anyway, we won't know the answers to any of this for a good few weeks.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:25PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Bit harsh to blame the county board for JOM not winning an All-Ireland. The truth is he had the players in Galway (especially depth of talent amongst the forwards) that he didn't have in Mayo in either of his two spells. He had 3 absolutely brilliant forwards in Galway in Joyce, Donnellan and Fallon and even some of their lesser forwards like Savage and Paul Clancy were very good players in their own right. Ciaran McDonald was the only forward Mayo had in the same class of Joyce, Donnellan and Fallon. Not like the Galway county board is any better organised than the Mayo one. Ultimately having enough available talent at the same time makes the difference and having a management team that helps the team rather than hinders it.

Possibly. JOM has proven pedigree. Mayo talent pool is roughly same size as Kerrys who have 38 All Irelands. Every all Ireland has 30 talented players but only the winners keep and grow their reputation with the passage of time. Only factor left is Board.

Galway have converted 45 Connaught titles into 9 All Irelands while we have 3. There talent pool is similar (population bigger but need to take away hurling which balances football pool)
Difference must be a better Board as with same manager we do worse

danganabu · 26-08-2016 02:27PM

Robeman wrote: »

This probably summarises my thinking

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships". Michael Jordan

The NBA is played as a best of 7 match series and Jordan was talking about not panicking when you lose the first or first too matches, he was also referencing the longevity of the NBA season. As such it is completely out of context and irrelevant.

Maybe if the AI was played as a series, Mayo might have won a few more??

BonnieSituation · 26-08-2016 02:27PM

Check out this at Minor level in Kildare and Kerry:

Martin Breheny wrote:

Here's a tale from the minor football grade in Kerry and Kildare, who clash in the All-Ireland semi-final on Sunday.

The Kerry semi-finals (East Kerry v St Brendan's; Firies v Mid Kerry) will be played next Wednesday evening, whereas Kildare have completed the first round only.
Presumably, if Kildare, who have never won the minor All-Ireland and who last reached the final in 1973, beat Kerry, their local championship will be put back until after the clash with Galway on September 18. Meanwhile, Kerry will know their final pairing this day week.

This is the type of inconsistency across various counties that frustrates players to the edge of distraction.
It appears inexcusable that a county like Kildare fits in only one round of the MFC by the end of August, especially since there will have been a four-week gap between the quarter-final win over Mayo and Sunday's clash with Kerry.

Any wonder players are angry over fixtures, and that the GAA continues to lose some of its finest young talent to other codes?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/semifinals-in-kerry-first-round-in-kildare-why-is-that-34990449.html

danganabu · 26-08-2016 02:29PM

Robeman wrote: »

Possibly. J Mayo talent pool is roughly same size as Kerrys who have 38 All Irelands.

Wow wow back it up there, have you been at them mushrooms again??

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:31PM

Squatman wrote: »

How many kerrys are in Ireland. Same question for Dublins, Tyrones.... thats RTE punditry level of GAA clichés...

Kerry with similar sized talent pool as Mayo can win 38 All Irelands while we have 3. Difference for me in that they have better quality county board \ better managers.

The most similar team to Mayo in Country is Cork who also manage to butcher the advantage their big talent pool gives them with inept and incompetent management particularly on the football side but at least their hurling is generally successful.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:37PM

danganabu wrote: »

The NBA is played as a best of 7 match series and Jordan was talking about not panicking when you lose the first or first too matches, he was also referencing the longevity of the NBA season. As such it is completely out of context and irrelevant.

Maybe if the AI was played as a series, Mayo might have won a few more??

The league is a series and we have only won 2 of those since 51 even though All Ireland winning teams care little about them (nevertheless they still win more than us). This philosophy applies to all team sports and all competitions.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:43PM

danganabu wrote: »

Wow wow back it up there, have you been at them mushrooms again??

I wish I was as under the their influence Mayo would undoubtly win. Then unfortunately the effect would wear off and reality would lick in namely a Kerry or Dublin win

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:46PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Check out this at Minor level in Kildare and Kerry:

Thats why kerry have so many All Irelands. Better quality management by the county board and why Kildare have so few.

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-08-2016 02:51PM

Robeman wrote: »

Mayo will either win the final or they will lose

If they win it will be a case of absolute footballing talent overcoming every other short coming that is in place in the Mayo set up at the moment and since time immemorial.

If they lose it will once again be because we have never sorted out the rotten structure that is Mayo GAA.

To win an All Ireland you need

- A talented panel of footballers who also have good character. Footballers who only work for the good of the team and its success and do not put their personal egos above the team.

- A good manager who is in charge of the show with the talent to put together a good management team who will provide the support to the on the pitch effort.

- A competent county board with the ability to select a good manager and support him for the duration of his tenure. One with the competence to do whats best for their county in the corridors of power in Dublin. One that leaves no one in doubt that it is ultimately in charge.

We have never in my life time had all of the above at the same time. The same is true this year.

We have always had the talent this has been one constant. Too often we have had big egos with no All Irelands in their pockets. Too often we as supporters have worshippped these egos and never stopped to think that its takes a panel to win an All Ireland not a talented individual or a few talented individuals.

We have had good managers and bad and their successes with Mayo have been limited to 2 league titles in 66 years.

John O Mahoney could win 2 All Ireland with Galway but none with Mayo even with 2 stints in charge why ? Answer I would say was county board.

James Horan had probably the most impressive tenure since 51 but still no cigar Why ? Answer I would say good but not good enough.

The other constant we have had in Mayo is an incompetent County board.

Too often they have got selection of County Manager wrong, too often they select a manager and then they have wanted to manage the team themselves, too often they have not given managers the resources they need, too often they have selected a good managers and have not had the balls to stand by them in moments of difficulty, too often they have allowed Croke Park to treat Mayo as a second class county. Too often they have demonstrated that they don't know what is going on and what they should be doing.

Once again as in 89, 96, 97, 04, 06, 12, 13 we are in a final and we are all hoping for success and deceiving ourselves that everything is rosy in the garden and getting stressed about tickets. There is also the saga as in every one of the recent all ireland years of wrapping players in cotton wool (has not worked in the past so why should it work this year). Once again we are like kids heading for the sweetshop where we will meet the older wiser kids who will get the pick of the nicest sweets.

We may win as at the end of the day its 15 v 15 but I think it is unlikely. The bookies and professional commentators and also informed public rarely get it wrong.

We can then look forward to the blood letting that will accompany defeat as many chickens will come home to roost. We will let the blood flow but will probabaly solve nothing and in a few years we will once again get to a final and repeat.

Thats some amount of generalising there.

Robeman · 26-08-2016 02:58PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Thats some amount of generalising there.

Generalising !!!

We have lost 7 All Irelands in 27 years and I am setting out specifically why I think this has happened and why I think it will happen next month.

Why do you think it happened ? Bad luck, bad refs the weather central council

danganabu · 26-08-2016 03:01PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Thats some amount of generalising there.

Generalising wasn't quite the word I would have used

its a load of something all right.

And who to hell are the weather central council, I want to have a word with them lads!

yop · 26-08-2016 03:02PM

Robeman wrote: »

Generalising !!!

We have lost 7 All Irelands in 27 years and I am setting out specifically why I think this has happened and why I think it will happen next month.

Why do you think it happened ? Bad luck, bad refs the weather central council

Okay, so out of interest, what should the CB have done or do to ensure that Mayo win an AI.

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-08-2016 03:05PM

Robeman wrote: »

Generalising !!!

We have lost 7 All Irelands in 27 years and I am setting out specifically why I think this has happened and why I think it will happen next month.

Why do you think it happened ? Bad luck, bad refs the weather central council

No you are not being specific just co board blah blah blah, Galway co board are better etc,why not actually be specific? You'd swear we have had the same county board since 1951

Robeman · 26-08-2016 03:16PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No you are not being specific just co board blah blah blah, Galway co board are better etc,why not actually be specific? You'd swear we have had the same county board since 1951

Different faces same level of incompetence. But too be fair I should probably go back to the clubs who are responsible for electing them.

Kalyke · 26-08-2016 03:16PM

Time for the ignore button....

danganabu · 26-08-2016 03:21PM

Kalyke wrote: »

Time for the ignore button....

Be fair now, he went to the whole effort of opening a new account just for this topic, be only fair if we were to hear him out

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-08-2016 03:21PM

Robeman wrote: »

Different faces same level of incompetence. But too be fair I should probably go back to the clubs who are responsible for electing them.

So you're not going to elaborate? Just throw out wild generalizations and populist bs? As i thought.

Kalyke · 26-08-2016 03:22PM

danganabu wrote: »

Be fair now, he went to the whole effort of opening a new account just for this topic, be only fair if we were to hear him out

How do you know I wasn't talking about you and not him??:D:D:D

Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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