"The famine's over go home"

steddyeddy · 25-08-2016 05:43PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The Irish have been emmigrating for centuries and in their millions. So surely they can't complain about a handful of Nigerians coming here. No?

No one has any right to complain about Nigerians coming here.

25-08-2016 05:44PM

aaronjumper wrote: »

Interaction of the day. :pac:

I had hoped it was intentionally funny, but no.

Which makes it funnier.

steddyeddy · 25-08-2016 05:45PM

Nigel Farage is an idiot who appeals to idiots.

I'm not inferring a rise in anti-Irish sentiment relating to Brexit. I'm inferring a general rise in anti-immigrant sentiment. Irish, Pakistan, Muslim or Indian. The Independent details a 78% rise in hate crime.

A "very worrying" spike in the number of race hate crimes was reported
on British railways following the vote to leave the European Union.

The number of incidents was up 78 per cent on the same period in 2015,
prompting police to urge the public to report any incidents they
witness.
Data obtained by the Press Association after a Freedom of
Information request showed that in the two weeks after the referendum, British
Transport Police (BTP) recorded 119 incidents including allegations of
racist abuse and attacks at stations - equivalent to eight every day.

In comparison, 76 hate crimes were recorded between 10 June and the day
of the referendum on 23 June, and 67 between 24 June and 7 July in
2015.

Public order crimes were the most commonly recorded incidents, with dozens of
suspects said to have made racist comments towards passengers or
staff.

However, there were three alleged cases of racially or religiously aggravated
actual bodily harm, including one in which the victim was "perceived to be
attacked due to their nationality".

Fratton Fred · 25-08-2016 05:47PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Fred there's a major difference between emigration and colonisation.

Yes, there is.

I was merely pointing out the stupidity and hypocrisy of that tired old statement.

Fratton Fred · 25-08-2016 05:48PM

Candie wrote: »

I had hoped it was intentionally funny, but no.

Which makes it funnier.

I didn't think any one would get it.

steddyeddy · 25-08-2016 05:48PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yes, there is.

I was merely pointing out the stupidity and hypocrisy of that tired old statement.

Not at all. There's people who complain about Indians and Pakistanis coming over to the UK despite them both being former colonies (the same colony).

indioblack · 25-08-2016 05:54PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Fred there's a major difference between emigration and colonisation.

Once you kick out the invader, the circumstances that required their emigration no longer apply - have you room for all those Irish wanting to return from America?
Yes, the above is daft - about as daft as the post claiming contemporary people in England cannot complain about immigration because of their colonial past.

conorhal · 25-08-2016 07:00PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Nigel Farage is an idiot who appeals to idiots.

I'm not inferring a rise in anti-Irish sentiment relating to Brexit. I'm inferring a general rise in anti-immigrant sentiment. Irish, Pakistan, Muslim or Indian. The Independent details a 78% rise in hate crime.

Uh, that's exactly what you infer otherwise why include a story about anti Irish graffiti?

Secondly, didn't Scotland, where this was written, vote remain?

Thirdly, I'm sure there has been an uptick in incidents, but I suspect the endless stream of mass murder by Islamist psychos MIGHT just have a little more to do with that than brexit.
If the worst 'racist incidents' that happen are a few ugly tweets, a bit of graffiti and a drunk roaring at a woman on a bus' I'd say Western society has shown a great degree if tolerance is the face of bloodshed on it's streets.

I was watching some daft report on the BBC there a few days ago about anti muslim posts on twitter as the commentator gasps and says, 'here you can see a spike of hundreds of posts at the time of the attacks on Paris'. Well no $h1t Sherlock. That is what I'd call, to be expected. Still, apparently something must be done about people being critical of Islam when it's killing people in the streets it seems. Personally I'd prefer they did something to negate the criticism by doing something about growing Islamsist terrorism.

A Little Pony · 25-08-2016 07:08PM

Brits OUT! Huns OUT!

Just thought I'd get a few of those celtic supporter lines in.

indioblack · 25-08-2016 07:13PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Brits OUT! Huns OUT!

Just thought I'd get a few of those celtic supporter lines in.

What about "t*its out," - it's a lot more fun and it crosses most cultural divides.
Not very PC, I know - sorry.

K-9 · 25-08-2016 07:14PM

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Not really fella.

Travelling to a different country to work is one thing, travelling there to take it over is quite obviously another.

Or bomb it. But we're different because well, it's us.

A Little Pony · 25-08-2016 07:16PM

indioblack wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Brits OUT! Huns OUT!

Just thought I'd get a few of those celtic supporter lines in.

What about "t*its out," - it's a lot more fun and it crosses most cultural divides.
Not very PC, I know - sorry.

Hun, Fenian, taig, spa, etc. Its just how Ulster folk talk.

El_Duderino 09 · 25-08-2016 07:23PM

steddyeddy wrote:

I agree Candie but I do think there's a rise in anti-immigrant feeling post Brexit.

You're probably right about the rise in anti immigrant sentiment but it's too hard to tell. The home office has started paying more attention to anti immigrant hate crimes and racist behaviour in general. In other words now will be the baseline so there's no good way to compare it to pre Brexit rates.

LordSutch · 25-08-2016 07:42PM

smash wrote: »

It's gas how England invaded half the world and then complained about immigration.

It's gas how you say how "England" invaded half the world, and then you get 64 thanks

Like I'm sure the Scots, Welsh & Irish also had a hand in building the Empire, so I wouldn't just blame England . . .

steddyeddy · 25-08-2016 07:47PM

LordSutch wrote: »

It's gas how you say how "England" invaded half the world, and then you get 64 thanks

Like I'm sure the Scots, Welsh & Irish also had a hand in building the Empire, so I wouldn't just blame England . . .

We had a hand in dismantling the empire if that helps.

LordSutch · 25-08-2016 07:49PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

We had a hand in dismantling the empire if that helps.

Building & dismantling.

steddyeddy · 25-08-2016 07:53PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Building & dismantling.

Ah only banter mate.

LordSutch · 25-08-2016 08:02PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ah only banter mate.

That's far too cerebral for me laddie, however I do think that the 'famine go home' graffiti neanderthal people are stuck in their own narrow little racist world.

steddyeddy · 25-08-2016 08:03PM

LordSutch wrote: »

That's far too cerebral for me laddie, however I do think that the 'fammine go home' graffiti neanderthal people are stuck in their own narrow little racist world.

Saying all that I'll look back at my time in England very fondly. Great people here.

LordSutch · 25-08-2016 08:22PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Saying all that I'll look back at my time in England very fondly. Great people here.

Oh I couldn't agree more, but these little graffiti chappies are in Glasgow/Scotland.
I guess you get them in every country to a degree.

KingBrian2 · 25-08-2016 08:24PM

Britain's been invaded by Vandals.:D

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-08-2016 08:29PM

I suppose when you look at the history of mankind all advanced civilizations colonised other lands and built up empires.

These empires brought good as well bad. They improved many of the countries they were in. In the case of Britain and France you could strongly argue that some of their past colonies have gone backwards since their direct involvement.

25-08-2016 08:34PM

Undercover Elephant wrote: »

You know Glasgow is in Scotland, right?

endacl wrote: »

Isn't Glasgow in Scotland...?

Fred, for once, has a felicitous summary for this nonsense distinction:

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Semantics.

The British state is merely the English state extended and renamed. Nothing more, no matter how many times British nationalists try to dress the English conquest up. When a majority of Scots get off their knees and fight or vote for freedom they will have earned their right to take their place among the nations of the world. Until then the Scots remain bought and sold by English gold.

indioblack · 25-08-2016 08:38PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Hun, Fenian, taig, spa, etc. Its just how Ulster folk talk.

I'm picking up the lingo, slowly.
If you don't mind a west country twang to it - "Oo arr, bhoy".

indioblack · 25-08-2016 08:39PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Britain's been invaded by Vandals.:D

More immigrants!

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2016 08:47PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Building & dismantling.

We helped dismantle it as Irish, we built it under order and a lot of the time, under duress and certainly not under any legitimate Irish banner.

razorblunt · 25-08-2016 08:51PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Really? What anti-Protestant actions have Celtic fans been involved in?

Sections of the Celtic fans have sang about the IRA, let's not pretend otherwise.

Jimmy Garlic · 25-08-2016 08:54PM

In general I have always found Scots to be an extremely miserable and depressing bunch, extremely tight fisted too, every penny is a prisoner. It's terrible to have a mentality that is about 400 years out of date.

indioblack · 25-08-2016 08:56PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I suppose when you look at the history of mankind all advanced civilizations colonised other lands and built up empires.

Oh I'm sure you're not allowed to say that - no matter how rational it sounds.
Given a change in the make-up of peoples, nations, races, geography, circumstances you could probably create a scenario where a Celtic/Irish nation gains a head start on it's neighbours and then what? They decline to take the advantage on moral grounds?
I doubt it.
The people being criticized have had little or no hand in their imperial past.
The people criticizing them for this history have had no part in the ending of this imperial past.
It's an attempt to gain an unwarranted moral high ground - a form of self pleasuring.
Enough of the serious stuff - I'm the son of an immigrant - most foreigners here have added a pleasing diversity.

LordSutch · 25-08-2016 09:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We helped dismantle it as Irish, we built it under order and a lot of the time, under duress and certainly not under any legitimate Irish banner.

Now you're playing with words & interpretations! Irish people were certainly not coerced into the British army anymore than the English, Scots or Welsh were. 'Under duress' is a gross misrepresentation of how many tens of thousands of Irish men found themselves at the forfront of building the Empire in the 1800s, along with the other indigenous peoples of these islands . . . .

As regards the banner, well at the time the Empire was built in the 1800s, the Union Flag was the banner. Saint Patrick playing its part in the ingredients thereof.

You also mention helping to dismante the empire, but I guess as one of the four founding pillars/architects of the empire, Ireland hastened the end when it rebelled against the other three founding members, namely the rest of these islands!

"The famine's over go home"

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