Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II off topic discussion

tomasrojo · 24-08-2016 11:29PM

I think Kodak used an extra, twenty-ninth, day at the end of the twelfth month and a leap day after the month with the summer solstice though.

It was, though, as you mention, used really for internal management. Mr. Kodak did want to see it replace the Georgian calendar though, and he did some advocacy to that end.

MediaMan · 25-08-2016 02:21AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhm7-LEBznk

This video has, in a few short minutes, explained so much about the world that I had previously been stumped by...

Chuchote · 25-08-2016 09:27AM

How much does it normally cost to put a bike (€1k worth, say) on your house insurance?

As for that video… I have had that conversation

Lumen · 25-08-2016 09:29AM

Chuchote wrote: »

How much does it normally cost to put a bike (€1k worth, say) on your house insurance?

Depends whether you want it covered outside the house ("all risks") or not.

Chuchote · 25-08-2016 09:30AM

Lumen wrote: »

Depends whether you want it covered outside the house ("all risks") or not.

Would seem a bit pointless to not have it covered outside the house, unless you have a really big house with a velodrome and surround screens with mountainy film showing at all times. Edit: I assume it's covered by the normal insurance if it's in the house.

magicbastarder · 25-08-2016 09:32AM

i once asked about covering two bikes (€2k new and €1.3k new) outside the house, and was quoted €450 at a time the house was costing me €400 a year to insure.
i pointed out that i would only ever have one of them outside the house, but they were not interested in that.

seamus · 25-08-2016 09:37AM

It's more expensive to put a €1k bike on your cover than a diamond ring many times more valuable in my experience.

The conditions may also be onerous in relation to how and when it's secured. If you stop in Blessington to get a coffee and come out and your bike is gone, there's a good chance they won't pay out, even though that's exactly the kind of thing you want to be insured against.

To a certain extent you may be better off sticking €20 a week into a money box as "insurance". If the bike ever gets stolen, you have a rainy day fund there with which you can replace it. Or after two years you can just get a new one anyway

Rogue-Trooper · 25-08-2016 09:37AM

Chuchote wrote: »

unless you have a really big house with a velodrome and surround screens with mountainy film showing at all times.

From what I read on here, in my head Beasty's house is like that............

Lumen · 25-08-2016 09:38AM

Chuchote wrote: »

Would seem a bit pointless to not have it covered outside the house, unless you have a really big house with a velodrome and surround screens with mountainy film showing at all times. Edit: I assume it's covered by the normal insurance if it's in the house.

Lots of expensive recreational bicycles are always under the cyclist's arse when outside the house, so theft cover from inside the house is useful on its own.

Somewhat embarrassingly I didn't know what "all risks" meant until recently, so I've been pointlessly paying through the nose for theft cover outside the house that I didn't need.

Anyway, it's best to ask your insurance company since policies vary so widely. They often have limits for bicycles covered under all risks and it's possible they won't offer cover at any price.

seamus · 25-08-2016 09:39AM

Chuchote wrote: »

I assume it's covered by the normal insurance if it's in the house.

Bikes inside the house are usually only covered up to around €400-€500. Everything else is often covered up to €1k or €2k, but bikes are a special exception because they so frequently get stolen. If you want your €1k bike fully covered inside the house, you need to tell them about it.

Chuchote · 25-08-2016 09:50AM

seamus wrote: »

It's more expensive to put a €1k bike on your cover than a diamond ring many times more valuable in my experience.

Very bizarre. Wouldn't you think smartphones, for instance, worth roughly the same and surely even more stealable, would set the insurance cover rate?

It occurs to me to wonder whether the increasing numbers of people cycling will change a) the attitude to bike theft (which have historically been excluded from national crime statistics), b) the prosecution of bike thieves, and c) the insurance treatment of bikes.

buffalo · 25-08-2016 09:51AM

Chris Froome on the top tube? pfft! This is how you get fully aero for descending...

http://imgur.com/gallery/3eizJGT

Chips Lovell · 25-08-2016 10:01AM

Fixed too.

Skrynesaver · 25-08-2016 10:25AM

Chuchote wrote: »

Didn't the Egyptians use 10-day calendars? Not sure how weekends would work out, though. On the other hand, a 24-hour day with 60-minute hours and 60-second minutes makes my poor head reel.

Blame the Sumerians ...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal

seamus · 25-08-2016 10:25AM

Chuchote wrote: »

Very bizarre. Wouldn't you think smartphones, for instance, worth roughly the same and surely even more stealable, would set the insurance cover rate?

I'd say there are a number of historical issues on it. Bikes tend to be specifically targetted - people leave them in the back garden or the shed. A thief just has to jump the wall or wander down the side entrance and there's a bike just sitting there. Stolen garden tools and lawnmowers don't have much of a market*, but your casual thief knows someone a mile from your house who'll give them €50 for any bike in any condition.

As well as that, when there's a theft, bikes will be listed. Insurance companies don't require receipts for most everyday items in a home, and bikes are everday items.
But most people probably wouldn't have a clue what kind of bikes they have and many will try to overestimate the book value for insurance purposes. So that bike that was rusting in the shed was suddenly a €2k carbon fibre race bike.
Hence, insurance companies put a limit on the amount claimable on the basis that if you have a bike worth more than €400, you will likely know all about it.

Phones are simpler, people will know what they had and insurance companies can put a simple book value on it.

*There is in fact a market for (stolen) second-hand tools which takes place in Rush many mornings of the week, but it's mostly run by a certain community of people, so your average tea leaf won't find it easy to sell on tools locally

ThisRegard · 25-08-2016 10:42AM

Chuchote wrote: »

Very bizarre. Wouldn't you think smartphones, for instance, worth roughly the same and surely even more stealable, would set the insurance cover rate?

It occurs to me to wonder whether the increasing numbers of people cycling will change a) the attitude to bike theft (which have historically been excluded from national crime statistics), b) the prosecution of bike thieves, and c) the insurance treatment of bikes.

Smart phones and bikes are riskier because they're left lying around, how many women do you know take their rings off regularly outside of the home (apart from those heading out looking for a bit on the side)?

ford2600 · 25-08-2016 10:55AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

It's all in the link. It's very clever. But never caught on (apart from Kodak using it internally). Too much effort to persuade everyone to change.

The Japanese adopted the Gregorian Calendar around 1860's, China after WW11.
If he knew his history he shouldn't have been so hopeful!

The primary difficult is getting the moon's cycles to align with the sun's, they almost fit but not quite. The main drivers over the years have been religious, the death of Christ is marked via the Passover ( A Jewish date linked to their lunar calendar) Early Christians went batsh1t when they realized they were celebrating Easter on the wrong date..

The RC and eastern churches still differ on the date of Easter.

It's a fascinating story though, the days of our week named after the main planetary bodies; Sunday, Monday & Saturday are pretty easy to figure. Switching to Latin languages will help with the other four, our names for these four days derive from the Anglo Saxon names for planets.

The months are interesting to, why the 10th month is actually the twelfth month, Julius and Augustus naming months after themselves (something which many tyrants have done since down through the years) etc etc.

I never got why three main churches based everything on the moon and it's cycles, until I went to Africa and the sky wasn't cloudy 90% of the time in particular during the day...

Why the days are in the order they are....fcuk it go read about it yourself

Chuchote · 25-08-2016 11:23AM

seamus wrote: »

But most people probably wouldn't have a clue what kind of bikes they have and many will try to overestimate the book value for insurance purposes. So that bike that was rusting in the shed was suddenly a €2k carbon fibre race bike.
Hence, insurance companies put a limit on the amount claimable on the basis that if you have a bike worth more than €400, you will likely know all about it.

I'd assume that insurance companies wouldn't give anything over €100 or so for a bicycle unless you had the frame number and matching receipt.

AstraMonti · 25-08-2016 11:43AM

I think I 've leveled up in lazy levels as I am commuting less and less with the bike lately. I think the problem is that I 've to got disable the alarm in the shed, unlock 3 locks, get the bike off the mount, close 3 locks, set alarm, unlock side gate, exit, lock side gate all this while minding the kid. It might seem like a not big deal but it is annoying and I end up just getting in the car and going for a 7km distance.
I am thinking of putting a ground anchor in the front of the house and just leave the bike there with a cover of some short. Maybe I need a new bike is all :P

LollipopJimmy · 25-08-2016 11:49AM

AstraMonti wrote: »

I think I 've leveled up in lazy levels as I am commuting less and less with the bike lately. I think the problem is that I 've to got disable the alarm in the shed, unlock 3 locks, get the bike off the mount, close 3 locks, set alarm, unlock side gate, exit, lock side gate all this while minding the kid. It might seem like a not big deal but it is annoying and I end up just getting in the car and going for a 7km distance.
I am thinking of putting a ground anchor in the front of the house and just leave the bike there with a cover of some short. Maybe I need a new bike is all :P

In the main I don't keep my bike in the shed for this very reason. Shed is like Fort Knox so I just pop it in the front room. But the answer is obviously to buy a new bike

tomasrojo · 25-08-2016 11:51AM

ford2600 wrote: »

The primary difficult is getting the moon's cycles to align with the sun's, they almost fit but not quite. The main drivers over the years have been religious, the death of Christ is marked via the Passover ( A Jewish date linked to their lunar calendar) Early Christians went batsh1t when they realized they were celebrating Easter on the wrong date..

Yeah, I think the thirteen-month model just doesn't bother about the moon. Its primary aim is to make every year the same -- e.g. 1st January is always a Monday (or whatever).

ford2600 wrote: »

It's a fascinating story though, the days of our week named after the main planetary bodies; Sunday, Monday & Saturday are pretty easy to figure. Switching to Latin languages will help with the other four, our names for these four days derive from the Anglo Saxon names for planets.

I was aware that some of our days were named after Norse gods, sort of, but I wasn't aware that the Romance languages did the same until a Spanish lady explained it to me. Think Southern Europe started it with Roman gods, and Northern Europe copied, using Norse analogues.

So
Mars' day (mardi/martes) => Tiw's day
Mercury's day (mercredi/miercoles) => Wotan's day
Jove's day (jeudi/jueves) => Thor's day
Venus' day (vendredi/viernes) => Freya's day
Think Saturday is Saturn's day. Maybe they ran out of Norse analogues at that point.

seamus · 25-08-2016 11:51AM

AstraMonti wrote: »

I think I 've leveled up in lazy levels as I am commuting less and less with the bike lately. I think the problem is that I 've to got disable the alarm in the shed, unlock 3 locks, get the bike off the mount, close 3 locks, set alarm, unlock side gate, exit, lock side gate all this while minding the kid. It might seem like a not big deal but it is annoying and I end up just getting in the car and going for a 7km distance.
I am thinking of putting a ground anchor in the front of the house and just leave the bike there with a cover of some short. Maybe I need a new bike is all :P

It's OK, you're not alone. I'm on week 2 of driving to work because **** it a 20 minute commute with no faffing at the beginning or end is kind of nice. Next week I'll be back on the bike because the schools will go back.

tomasrojo · 25-08-2016 11:58AM

AstraMonti wrote: »

I am thinking of putting a ground anchor in the front of the house and just leave the bike there with a cover of some short. Maybe I need a new bike is all :P

There probably is a limit to how much security you can use with a utility bike. You can't make it onerous to use it, just onerous to steal it.

Woodie's do Sterling floor anchors. I recently got one when I saw one, and put one in the shed. It only has two expander bolts, but the Oxford floor lock I also put in the shed a few years ago also has only two. Obviously, there are better ones, but it would put off thieves that aren't determined to get your bike.

ford2600 · 25-08-2016 12:06PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Yeah, I think the thirteen-month model just doesn't bother about the moon. It's primary aim is to make every year the same -- e.g. 1st January is always a Monday (or whatever).

I was aware that some of our days were named after Norse gods, sort of, but I wasn't aware that the Romance languages did the same until a Spanish lady explained it to me. Think Southern Europe started it with Roman gods, and Northern Europe copied, using Norse analogues.

So
Mars' day (mardi/martes) => Tiw's day
Mercury's day (mercredi/miercoles) => Wotan's day
Jove's day (jeudi/jueves) => Thor's day
Venus' day (vendredi/viernes) => Freya's day
Think Saturday is Saturn's day. Maybe they ran out of Norse analogues at that point.

Caesar and Augustus were only pretenders to this lad's throne. One month, fcuk that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaming_of_Turkmen_months_and_days_of_week,_2002

Chuchote · 25-08-2016 12:17PM

When I lived across the wall from Fatima Mansions I just got a Sheffield lock into my concrete yard and locked the bike to it. Went well apart from the moment when I asked the guys using a road drill on a Corpo job if they'd be on for a nixer. They were English, and thought I was offering them something else entirely. You have never seen such respectable blushings-and-turnings-away. When I explained that I meant a paid job drilling a hole through the 8" concrete base in the yard they came along and did it for £20, and fixed the bike stand in too.

I wonder if bicycle insurance could be approached in the same way as car insurance, with no-claims bonus added to proof of purchase, etc. in those bygone days, I used to lock my car with a U-shaped lock to the steering wheel; perhaps soon it will be as unnecessary to do this kind of locking with bikes.

magicbastarder · 25-08-2016 01:33PM

i think it was the first time i've seen one of these beasts - not very flexible regarding lending it to a friend, in terms of adjusting saddle height?

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RobFowl · 25-08-2016 02:31PM

I like it

RobFowl · 25-08-2016 03:20PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Even that dog is spooked by it

I asked Sam and he likes it too...

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Chuchote · 25-08-2016 03:32PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Those bikes are all locked very poorly. A thief would have easy pickings there. Also that bike is hideous.

But isn't that an advantage? Apparently style-conscious drug mules are horrified by pink bikes, too, and don't like to steal them.

Chuchote · 25-08-2016 03:37PM

Sitting in traffic jams is bad for you. Whoda thunkit

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825084841.htm

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