Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

John_D80 · 23-08-2016 12:16PM

finglashoop wrote: »

Do you really think he stuck around with a reduced role?

How has his role in the company been reduced though??

Once his bullying starts interfering with the company's bottom line he'll be on the way out.

Outlaw Pete · 23-08-2016 12:17PM

finglashoop wrote: »

Dana has the exsct same position he had before. Why people think he has less.power is weird.

He remains in his role as president and retains a small stake but that is all. He is no longer one of the owners and so of course he has less power than before. Not suggesting with day to day running of the UFC he does but with large decisions such as pulling the fighter who makes the company the most money off a card because of issues with media obligations, you can bet he no longer has the final say on such matters.

After yje sale he coild have walked.away but he didnt so id say he stayed and kept.the power hr previously had.

Well, I think you're very naive if you believe that as Frank may have backed Dana come what may, but I highly doubt these two new cats will, when they're $4 billion dollars in the hole before they're out the gate. Dana seemed to be mumbling on Sports Centre the other night saying if Conor didn't defend his belt next he'd lose it but yet saying it was up to him to decide what he wants to do. Seemed very unsure of himself and I think for good reason.

Personally I feel there is some bad vibes between the two of them. 200 was bad enough but that stuff on embedded saying that he needed to respect everyone's time, seems to have got under Conor's skin. He also said at that presser that Conor defends the title or loses it but yet in the post fight interview Conor made a point of saying that he didn't believe they would do that. Might just be for negotiation reasons but I think there is more to it than that and he could just be stubborn on this to show Dana that he decides who he fights and not the UFC.

Guess time will tell, as ever.

mdwexford · 23-08-2016 01:11PM

Yeah I imagine the new owners will listen to Dana a lot and let him handle a lot of day to day matters.

After investing 4 billion though I wonder will they take the risk of alienating the companies biggest draw by stripping his belt.

All of a sudden Conor decides to not fight again and they are down a ton of money. Keep Conor sweet and they could get 5-8 years of fights out of him. Conor's leverage is at an all time high after Saturday night.

I'd let him fight Alvarez for the champion vs champion battle.
Let Aldo fight Holloway for his interim.

It does hold up the FW division but in a world where Hendo is getting a title shot anything goes.

finglashoop · 23-08-2016 01:14PM

Id be surprised if dana sticks around if he cant make decisions amd.be supported by owners to be honest.

New owners need him to smooth transition i would think while they get a grip on everything.
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As for having the last say, UFC wanted to be the attraction, not any one fighter. New owners may well want to keep it that way as it is what got them this far.

If dana is a lame duck i doubt he will stick around, not like hes there for the paycheck.

As for conor id be surprised if he goes back down..i would say hes happy enough to hold 145 long enough for a crack at 155 so hr can say he held two. Then relinquish 145.

Tefral · 23-08-2016 01:22PM

At the post fight press conference Conor mentioned something about trying to patch things up with Lorenzo. What happened there?

Todd Toddington III · 23-08-2016 01:22PM

Any truth to the rumours of a 6 month medical suspension for Conor?

Axwell · 23-08-2016 01:24PM

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

Any truth to the rumours of a 6 month medical suspension for Conor?

Its not a rumour..its dependent on being passed by an orthopedic doctor.

Conor McGregor: Must have left foot/ankle fracture cleared by an orthopedic doctor or no contest until 02/17/17; minimum suspension until 10/20, no contact until 10/05

Thats the official medical suspension from the UFC after the event

Gamb!t · 23-08-2016 01:24PM

I think he (Mcgregor) being a champion should definitely defend his belt once before he moves up weight class.
Id love to see him have a proper cut off Aldo who I feel has earned his rematch.

Mellor · 23-08-2016 01:27PM

slicus ricus wrote: »

May not be a law preventing it but the planning conditions will be pretty difficult to overcome in term of curfew.

Straight forward application to the council. If they have no issue with the event, they can remove the condition easily.
If they do have an issue with a late night event, then they wouldn't license it anyway regardless of the curfew.

The conditions apply more to day to day operations than special events.

Ush wrote:

Ha, tell that to Garth Brooks.

Not sure what you mean.
The city manager could have given the go ahead for the Garth Brooks concerts as anytime with a simply letter. It didn't happen because they didn't wan to, not because they didn't have the power to.

John_D80 wrote: »

Not even close. It's only a matter of time before new owners realise he is more of a Hindrance than a help.

The new owners practically begged him to stay. Not the other way around.
He's far far better at his job than people give him credit for.

Ush1 · 23-08-2016 01:31PM

Mellor wrote: »

Straight forward application to the council. If they have no issue with the event, they can remove the condition easily.
If they do have an issue with a late night event, then they wouldn't license it anyway regardless of the curfew.

The conditions apply more to day to day operations than special events.

Not sure what you mean.
The city manager could have given the go ahead for the Garth Brooks concerts as anytime with a simply letter. It didn't happen because they didn't wan to, not because they didn't have the power to.

The new owners practically begged him to stay. Not the other way around.
He's far far better at his job than people give him credit for.

Owen Keegan didn't because the residents voiced their displeasure, which they could easily do for a McGregor fight. The council are the executive side guided by the residents and councillors.

Mellor · 23-08-2016 01:34PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Assuming (fingers crossed) that NYC is a realistic possibility for Conor, it would be a VERY tall order for him to cut 25 lbs down to featherweight in just under three months. Physically possible, absolutely - physically possible without losing a sh!t ton of muscle mass rather than fat, I'm not so sure. Cutting is exceedingly tricky - it's a lot more difficult than bulking if you want to get it right - and the #1 piece of advice in bodybuilding circles is that if you don't do it slowly, you throw away your muscle gains.

He doesn't need to loss 25 lbs. No even close.
Bodybuildinf "weight cutting" and MMA "weight cutting"aren't the same.
He could get down to fight condition for a FW fight relatively quickly and easily imo.

A bigger issue for NYC is the fact he is medically suspended ujust before 205 minimum, maybe as late as December.

Mellor · 23-08-2016 01:40PM

Ush1 wrote: »

Owen Keegan didn't because the residents voiced their displeasure, which they could easily do for a McGregor fight. The council are the executive side guided by the residents and councillors.

The residents have no power to veto, neither do the councillors.

To be clear, I'm not saying that they would grant it no problem. I have no idea what they'd do.
I'm saying there's no legal obstacle preventing it. The council are a power onto themselves in that regard. The planning permission curfew is irrelevant really as the event needs council permission regardless (As Garth Brooks did)

finglashoop · 23-08-2016 01:41PM

Mellor wrote: »

The new owners practically begged him to stay. Not the other way around.
He's far far better at his job than people give him credit for.

This. Why people.cant accept this is strange. Mcgregor fans skew everyrhing around how mcgregor acts.

Its amazing. Mcgregor at a disadvantage fighting a bigger man, no size mentioned whne he drops to 145 and has the size advantage.

Rogan isnt cheering for him and he.is the worst commentator.

Dana doesn't let mcG do what he wants and keeps him in line and he is close to being sacked, has no power blah blah blah

. Who do people think decided to strap a rocket to mcG in the first place? Who decides to promote and big up fighters? Would Dana have given anyone else a title shot after beating siver?

Its pathetic lads.

DrPhilG · 23-08-2016 01:48PM

Dana is still the president. He still has the same job description and duties. He still (I think) has some equity in the company.

He does not still have his best mates as partners. He has people who won't hesitate to kick him out if he doesn't tow the line.

Even in the years since Lorenzo took a more active role in the UFC we have seen times where he had to step in with a more professional approach because Dana's bull-in-a-china-shop attitude was detrimental to business.

I think Dana will be around for a while yet because the new owners will understand what he brings as a promoter. But he sure as he'll doesn't have the same privileged position that he used to. He does however have nearly $400m that he didn't have a year ago so I doubt that he cares.

Ush1 · 23-08-2016 01:52PM

Mellor wrote: »

The residents have no power to veto, neither do the councillors.

To be clear, I'm not saying that they would grant it no problem. I have no idea what they'd do.
I'm saying there's no legal obstacle preventing it. The council are a power onto themselves in that regard. The planning permission curfew is irrelevant really as the event needs council permission regardless (As Garth Brooks did)

They don't need power to veto because Keegan meets with them every week in City Hall, he can't make decisions willy nilly because he feels like it. His job is to run the executive.

A local council can be more fickle than any legislation, so could be a deal breaker.

Saipanne · 23-08-2016 01:57PM

I hope Croke Park doesn't happen. Imagine the state of the crowd. Fights all over the shop. I'm not talking genuine mma fans here obviously, more the crowd that were at the Dublin press conference for the Aldo fight, except tens of thousands of them, out of their minds.

It would do mmas image in Ireland no good.

Swashbuckler · 23-08-2016 02:01PM

finglashoop wrote:

Its amazing. Mcgregor at a disadvantage fighting a bigger man, no size mentioned whne he drops to 145 and has the size advantage.

finglashoop wrote:

Rogan isnt cheering for him and he.is the worst commentator.

finglashoop wrote:

Dana doesn't let mcG do what he wants and keeps him in line and he is close to being sacked, has no power blah blah blah

finglashoop wrote:

. Who do people think decided to strap a rocket to mcG in the first place? Who decides to promote and big up fighters? Would Dana have given anyone else a title shot after beating siver?

At 145 McG is a featherweight with a cut against other FW's with a cut. When he fought Diaz he was a LW fighting a WW. The two aren't the same.

Rogan is incredibly biased always, regardless of whether McG is fighting. He is incredibly frustrating at times and more often than not you're better off turning off the commentary. I also felt he was biased towards Diaz and I'm no McG nuthugger.

I think time will tell what the story is with Dana and his power but to me he does seem a bit lost at sea these days.

McGregor's run to the title shot was no different to anyone else's run to the title around that time e.g. lamas or mendes. Also couple that with the fact Aldo had pretty much beaten everyone in the division anyway and Conor was the obvious choice.

You can't complain about the biased McGregor fans when you're completely blinkered in the opposite direction.

Mellor · 23-08-2016 02:06PM

Ush1 wrote: »

They don't need power to veto because Keegan meets with them every week in City Hall, he can't make decisions willy nilly because he feels like it. His job is to run the executive.

A local council can be more fickle than any legislation, so could be a deal breaker.

Fickle, absolutely. Unless the residents are all McGregor fans, he could be hearing a lot of whinging and might not want to get involved.

Aviva is a better option anyway. Probably less potetial objectors too

The Rooster · 23-08-2016 02:13PM

Saipanne wrote: »

I hope Croke Park doesn't happen. Imagine the state of the crowd. Fights all over the shop. I'm not talking genuine mma fans here obviously, more the crowd that were at the Dublin press conference for the Aldo fight, except tens of thousands of them, out of their minds.

It would do mmas image in Ireland no good.

As a big GAA fan, I'd be pretty comfortable that the GAA and City Council would sanction a UFC card in Croke Park. However, there isn't a hope in hell that it would be santioned past midnight. Not an iota of a chance. Same goes for the Aviva. Which of course would mean PPV numbers in the US could take a big hit.

GiftofGab · 23-08-2016 02:21PM

The Rooster wrote: »

Saipanne wrote: »

I hope Croke Park doesn't happen. Imagine the state of the crowd. Fights all over the shop. I'm not talking genuine mma fans here obviously, more the crowd that were at the Dublin press conference for the Aldo fight, except tens of thousands of them, out of their minds.

It would do mmas image in Ireland no good.

As a big GAA fan, I'd be pretty comfortable that the GAA and City Council would sanction a UFC card in Croke Park. However, there isn't a hope in hell that it would be santioned past midnight. Not an iota of a chance. Same goes for the Aviva. Which of course would mean PPV numbers in the US could take a big hit.

What time is the Michael Bisping fight at in Manchester?? The UFC in Sydney started at something like 10am local time!!

Just before UFC 202 McGregor expressed his desire to fight in Ireland again. I'm hoping now that he made his money he wants to return back to Dublin for a fight.

Mellor · 23-08-2016 02:30PM

GiftofGab wrote: »

The UFC in Sydney started at something like 10am local time!!

That's normal UFC time in Australia.
Last weekends 202 was a 10am undercard and a 12-3pm main card.

markc91 · 23-08-2016 02:49PM

Mellor wrote: »

That's normal UFC time in Australia.
Last weekends 202 was a 10am undercard and a 12-3pm main card.

He's right though if ufc 203 is in Manchester why couldn't ufc 208/9 be in dublin and have conor on the card, bisping fight will be on about 10.30 our time so if he can get on a card at home why couldn't conor?

Dave0301 · 23-08-2016 02:51PM

markc91 wrote: »

He's right though if ufc 203 is in Manchester why couldn't ufc 208/9 be in dublin and have conor on the card, bisping fight will be on about 10.30 our time so if he can get on a card at home why couldn't conor?

The main event at Manchester will be on at the same time as UFC 202 to maximise US PPV.

Bisping will be fighting in Manchester at around 5AM local time.

Mellor · 23-08-2016 02:56PM

markc91 wrote: »

He's right though if ufc 203 is in Manchester why couldn't ufc 208/9 be in dublin and have conor on the card, bisping fight will be on about 10.30 our time so if he can get on a card at home why couldn't conor?

UFC Manchester is on at the normal PPV time. All the Sunday morning Australian events are the normal PPV time.

If anything these just highlight that a early PPV in Dublin is not an option.

slicus ricus · 23-08-2016 02:57PM

The Rooster wrote: »

As a big GAA fan, I'd be pretty comfortable that the GAA and City Council would sanction a UFC card in Croke Park. However, there isn't a hope in hell that it would be santioned past midnight. Not an iota of a chance. Same goes for the Aviva. Which of course would mean PPV numbers in the US could take a big hit.

This is my exact point. Regardless of the specific reasons of why it won't be sanctioned after midnight (councils, legislation, etc), the reality is there is not a chance in hell it will be. I personally wish this was not the case as I would love to see the event happening but we have to be realistic.

Given the hit to PPV numbers, neither UFC nor Conor will want to do it as both will not earn half as much from it as they would doing the same fights stateside. It's no coincidence that Conor was far from positive on the idea after the Aldo fight and doesn't even mention it any more. He knows where the money is and unless the main event is on at 5/6am, the money ain't in Croke Park or the Aviva.

hatrickpatrick · 23-08-2016 03:05PM

Well, Dana White has apparently ruled out a third McGregor v Diaz fight:

http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/22/ufc-conor-mcgregor-nate-diaz-fight/

Tazzimus · 23-08-2016 03:09PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Well, Dana White has apparently ruled out a third McGregor v Diaz fight:

http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/22/ufc-conor-mcgregor-nate-diaz-fight/

Two things that'd make me very skeptical of this.

1. It's TMZ
2. It's Dana

A third fight will happen, but not right away. In a year or so maybe.

martyos121 · 23-08-2016 03:11PM

Dana acting like he even has a say in it lol. If the owners, McGregor and Diaz all want the trilogy fight, they'll get the trilogy fight. That fight is guaranteed to happen at some stage.

John_D80 · 23-08-2016 03:11PM

Mellor wrote: »

The new owners practically begged him to stay. Not the other way around.
He's far far better at his job than people give him credit for.

They need him around for now. But they wont need him forever. There will be a clash. Its inevitable with a guy like him and once the new owners realise he has outlived his usefulness, and he becomes more trouble than he is worth he'll be gone. He's just an employee now.

I'd give him 3 years tops. I think thats his current contract anyway.

hatrickpatrick · 23-08-2016 03:12PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Dana acting like he even has a say in it lol. If the owners, McGregor and Diaz all want the trilogy fight, they'll get the trilogy fight. That fight is guaranteed to happen at some stage.

I hope you're right, but they've indicated so far that they're going to pretty much let Dana call the shots, at least for the time being.

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