Conor McGregor/WWE Thread

Reebrock · 13-08-2016 12:54pm

Pentecost wrote: »

There's no way McGregor would come on WWE TV unless he's going to win and what's the point in that from a WWE perspective? Is the extra money they may get worth making some of their stars look like complete muppets?

Lawrence Taylor
K - Fed
Floyd
Hugh Jackman
Mike Tyson
Bob Barker
Mr T
Snooki

That's just off the top of my head. The celebrities always go over. It's just the way it is.

If anything, it speaks to WWE's deep rooted insecurity of their place in the world.

Pentecost · 13-08-2016 1:05pm

I suppose it depends on who they would put him up against. If it isn't one of their top guys then yes obviously I agree they'd have no hesitation in having them lose to McGregor.

Lord TSC · 13-08-2016 1:06pm

leggo wrote: »

Yeah, easily. Better they look like muppets against a box office smash and bonafide star than to Snoop Dogg.

Even apart from being an actual credible fighting star, he'd probably be able to throw and take a few moves as well.

Brock vs McGregor would be pure money for WWE; "UFC wouldn't let these guys fight, but we will!" would be a really awesome story.

leggo · 13-08-2016 2:26pm

They'd put him against the likes of Ziggler or Neville or some midcarder I'd say. WWE won't shy away from having their guys job to celebs, but then tend to at least protect the top guys. And really that makes sense, the story is 'McGregor is in WWE!' Nobody cares who he fights.

Imagine if it happened though. It'd be nearly as big, if not bigger, than Tyson in 98. Could be a case of the right celeb coming in and shining the light on the company at just the right time.

Agent Coulson · 13-08-2016 2:57pm

If McGregor loses next week and then loses the rematch against Aldo is star will be over so if the WWE and McGregor want to do something that's a money spinner for both they need to get it done soon.

Mr.Nice Guy · 13-08-2016 5:13pm

If he goes to WWE then he would be up against the guy he has just called out: John Cena. I think he knows that himself and realistically, that is the best option. They would want the likes of ESPN to cover it so it has to be a well established star against him with mainstream appeal who will attract enough UFC fans for the curiosity factor, and who he can also play off as the heel in the role. Nobody epitomises WWE better than Cena right now.

Brock vs Conor would be a mistake imo. It's just too much of a mismatch to buy that Conor could live with him. UFC fans would dismiss it as nonsense from the off and WWE fans would be wondering why the big beast of the company is selling for a guy smaller than Balor.

If it's Conor vs Cena there is still a size mismatch but that is offset by the fact Cena has no MMA skills so you could build a story there that this could go either way.

ERG89 · 13-08-2016 11:28pm

McGregor is working harder to sell him fighting Mayweather(that old rancid chestnut) or pro wrestlers than his fight with Diaz next week. Which has been so flat I'm wondering are wwe promoting it

Monokne · 14-08-2016 1:07am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

If McGregor loses next week and then loses the rematch against Aldo is star will be over so if the WWE and McGregor want to do something that's a money spinner for both they need to get it done soon.

Whaaat? Really? Not sure if that is specious logic, or you just don't follow MMA.

People are clamouring for the returns of Nick Diaz & Chael Sonnen right now - Chael has 14 - FOURTEEN - losses on his record while Nick Diaz has lost 9 fights and hasn't won a fight in FIVE YEARS. And that's not to mention Conor's opponent next weekend, who has a full 10 losses in MMA, and is 3 - 3 in his last 6. In spite of all this, these guys are bigger draws than Jon Jones or Daniel Cormier, the winningest guys in the sport. Stars are stars in MMA. They can absorb losses. The second they win a fight, the hype train gets rolling again. No better an example than Nate himself.

The idea that 3 losses and Conor's finished feels so reactionary. Conor's star power will be fine. He might be drawing 750k - 1m on PPV rather than 1 - 1.5m but he'll still earn himself more for his average single night of work than 95% of the WWE roster will in a year. :eek:

Agent Coulson · 14-08-2016 1:25am

Cena's response in typical a Cena way.

https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/764313853043679232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

brinty · 14-08-2016 1:56am

Pentecost wrote:

There's no way McGregor would come on WWE TV unless he's going to win and what's the point in that from a WWE perspective? Is the extra money they may get worth making some of their stars look like complete muppets?

Is that not what the do every year with the rock????

WinnyThePoo · 14-08-2016 2:22am

Lads he is not coming to the main roster . An appearance. No more.

Billy86 · 14-08-2016 2:32am

Loughc wrote: »

Flair wins this one.

I quite like McGregor and haven't watched wrestling in a good 15 years, but the man still has it WOOOOO!!!

leggo · 14-08-2016 9:06am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Cena's response in typical a Cena way.

https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/764313853043679232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Such a hunzo response. "H8rs gonna h8"

Loughc · 14-08-2016 12:07pm

leggo wrote: »

Such a hunzo response. "H8rs gonna h8"

Time to reply to Cena, "you ok Hun? X"

Monokne · 14-08-2016 1:06pm

That's not a response to Conor. Tweets 'motivational' stuff all the time. Quick read through his timeline would tell you that.

leggo · 14-08-2016 2:04pm

I'd read it as a subtweet. I follow LeBron James on Twitter, can spot them a mile off at this stage. The 'focus on yourself' part is the giveaway.

I hate passive-aggressive ****e like this from wrestlers. Nothing says tough guy I wanna pay to see fight like a thin skin and bitchy social media posts.

ERG89 · 14-08-2016 2:18pm

leggo wrote: »

Nothing says tough guy I wanna pay to see fight like a thin skin and bitchy social media posts.

Follow someone like Sunny or Lance Storm then. I imagine most posts on twitter by wwe wrestlers are done by someone in an office cubicle

leggo · 14-08-2016 2:34pm

You can tell who does their own Twitter, if they were office controlled they likely wouldn't get to keep them when they're released. Cena seems to do his own Instagram judging by the randomness of some of the stuff there so he seems hands on with social media.

It's just the passive aggressiveness I hate, I hate it when my own friends do that stuff on social media and when pro-wrestlers who market themselves as bad ass tough guys it infuriates me. Either go full McGregor and air your dirty laundry in an entertaining way and say what you actually mean (which is the ideal for me, these guys exist for our entertainment) or do the "oh I'm so professional" deal and say nothing, ever, without exception. Don't try do both and be like a bitchy teenager.

Ageyev · 14-08-2016 10:08pm

It seems to me that the legit tough guy pro wrestler (Haku for example) is dead as a dodo and a lot of wrestlers these days are as insecure as your garden variety celebrity actor.

Would McGregor be a heel or face if he appeared in front of a WWE audience I wonder?

Mr.Nice Guy · 14-08-2016 11:39pm

Cena's shtick is 'Rise above hate'. I thought his response fit his character.

Chain Smoker · 15-08-2016 2:27am

Ageyev wrote: »

It seems to me that the legit tough guy pro wrestler (Haku for example) is dead as a dodo and a lot of wrestlers these days are as insecure as your garden variety celebrity actor.

Not super secure dudes like Flair and Hogan...

Extreme insecurity and paranoia is damn near an essential part of being a top level wrestler. Gotta attract the same kind of attention starved oddballs as comedy does.

764dak · 15-08-2016 3:15am

He called Mr. McMahon "Vinnie". It seems he might be coming. Plus, he's Irish and the McMahons are proud Irish Americans.

leggo · 15-08-2016 7:36am

Chain Smoker wrote: »

Not super secure dudes like Flair and Hogan...

Extreme insecurity and paranoia is damn near an essential part of being a top level wrestler. Gotta attract the same kind of attention starved oddballs as comedy does.

It really doesn't need to be though. Like I remember I came to wrestling after years of playing team sports like football, GAA etc like a normal Irish kid and the first thing that struck me was it wasn't like those with a sense of team camaraderie etc. It was, for the most part, the nerdiest wrestling fans you've ever met jumped up on ego after getting a tiny bit of validation getting cheered on in front of 20 people (the amount of people, by the way, who confuse getting a confidence boost and become raging egomaniacs with a bit of validation is nuts), whereas the reality was they could break their neck and have their 'career' end tomorrow and the wrestling world would go on just fine without them. If Hogan could be wiped clean from history, nobody is indispensable. Two years in and I was just as bad as anyone for the bitchiness and mindless competitiveness and paranoia, the way the business is set up just drives you that way and I cringe thinking about it now after getting some 'real world perspective', but it's the way it is. The only people who deny it's this way are the worst of the lot because they can't see the forest from the trees. And everyone is the same, that's not just a comment on how the Irish scene is/was, you'd get the imports in for a tour and a couple days in they're bullying and ****-stirring and falling out with the promoter and trying to ride someone's girlfriend. It's just pure toxicity from top to bottom. The performing part eventually becomes the only fun side of it and that's 20 minutes of a day in a hobby that requires 24/7 attention.

And the only reason it's that way is because the guys at the top are that way themselves and it filters down through guys who are trying to impress and mirror those guys at the top. There's no actual logical reasoning behind it. It serves nobody any benefit and only makes the lives of those involved worse. Anyone I met who had a, for lack of a better term, 'successful real life' (and by that I mean good job they like, steady relationship, owns property etc) disappeared from it eventually and never looked back because it's way more hassle than it's worth.

That's why I like to see the likes of Performance Centre finally bringing a sense of athletic professionalism to the sport and hopefully, eventually, that will filter down to all aspects of the industry. But I doubt it when you've 'one of the boys' in Triple H running the show. The industry would almost be better off if there was a UFC-like corporate takeover and someone with high standards came in and ran it like a business rather than a passion project.

Moist Bread · 15-08-2016 11:37am

That tweet didn't seem passive-aggressive at all. Just the usual Cena spiel.

Neil3030 · 15-08-2016 12:23pm

Might McGregor just be looking for something to take his mind off the upcoming fight? The more questions he gets about the WWE and Cena, the less he faces questions like, "Hey Conor, what happens if Nate chokes you out again?"

Lord TSC · 15-08-2016 12:48pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Might McGregor just be looking for something to take his mind off the upcoming fight? The more questions he gets about the WWE and Cena, the less he faces questions like, "Hey Conor, what happens if Nate chokes you out again?"

Tbh, I think it's probably part of the advertising of Summerslam that UFC agreed to as part of the Brock deal weeks ago. If I remember right, it was said UFC had to promote Summerslam, and being honest, a few choice words from McGregor has gotten WWE a **** tonne of free publicity and generated a lot of discussion. From what I can see, McGregor has said all of 5 sentences on it, but the discussion generated has been going on for a while now...

Monokne · 15-08-2016 7:19pm

This whole thing started when a Sports Illustrated writer specifically asked Conor about Brock and WWE.

So for all the "it's a work, they're promoting Summerslam" conspiracy theorists, you'd also want to believe that WWE &/or UFC clued respected journo Jeff Wagenheim in on it and he agreed to take part which I must admit seems very unlikely to me.

Monokne · 15-08-2016 7:20pm

And actually, given he was asking Conor about Brock because of his failed test, I guess they also planned on that when they agreed the deal in late May.

Seems like a stretch.

ERG89 · 15-08-2016 8:38pm

Monokne wrote: »

And actually, given he was asking Conor about Brock because of his failed test, I guess they also planned on that when they agreed the deal in late May.

Seems like a stretch.

Said he'd slap the head off Ronaldo too.....erm ok.
Next up he'll call David Beckham an innocent boy

Monokne · 15-08-2016 11:13pm

That's gone way over my head brother. Did he actually say he'd hit Ron? Thought those two were buddies after seeing that pic.

Reebrock · 16-08-2016 8:31pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Cena's response in typical a Cena way.

https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/764313853043679232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Cena responded in character, he out worked the worker working the workers.

ERG89 · 17-08-2016 10:46pm

Bottle throwing with the Diaz bros. They needed to do something & Vince would be proud of that angle. Bit carny for his tastes mind

ShagNastii · 17-08-2016 10:52pm

ERG89 wrote: »

Bottle throwing with the Diaz bros. They needed to do something & Vince would be proud of that angle. Bit carny for his tastes mind

Was a bit hammy alright but I really think it happened naturally and wasn't set up.

LOLed at Dana's "....NO CONOR. Don't throw the stuff" *Conor flings bottle*

johnnyryan89 · 17-08-2016 11:00pm

ShagNastii wrote: »

Was a bit hammy alright but I really think it happened naturally and wasn't set up.

LOLed at Dana's "....NO CONOR. Don't throw the stuff" *Conor flings bottle*

There was no way that was set up, one or two cans of monster were flung too I think and had any of them connected with press or a fan you're talking massive lawsuit and had they hit a fighter you're talking fight over. It the builds up the hype for the fight but ain't no way the Dana is stupid enough to risk the fight being cancelled.

Mr.Nice Guy · 17-08-2016 11:48pm

There was something staged about it. Very little trash talking in the build to this and then Wednesday comes along - the most important part of the build being Wednsday to fight night - and all this happens? Sorry, not buying this. My 'Workedar' is going into overdrive.

Perhaps Dana White didn't know certain details, perhaps the bottle element was done on a spur of the moment, but something was planned between them imo.

Monokne · 17-08-2016 11:50pm

As Meltzer put it, it was a shoot, but everyone on the internet will try and act 'smart' and say it was a work.

johnnyryan89 · 17-08-2016 11:59pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

There was something staged about it. Very little trash talking in the build to this and then Wednesday comes along - the most important part of the build being Wednsday to fight night - and all this happens? Sorry, not buying this. My 'Workedar' is going into overdrive.

Perhaps Dana White didn't know certain details, perhaps the bottle element was done on a spur of the moment, but something was planned between them imo.

Diaz walking out was probably planned between the brothers the same way Conor planned to show up late to piss off Diaz. Ain't no way anything else was a work as the NSAC would have a field day if something happened and NY commission would hit them hard by blocking their New York PPV.

Mr.Nice Guy · 18-08-2016 12:13am

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Diaz walking out was probably planned between the brothers the same way Conor planned to show up late to piss off Diaz. Ain't no way anything else was a work as the NSAC would have a field day if something happened and NY commission would hit them hard by blocking their New York PPV.

I'm not sure Nate 'Everyone's on steroids' Diaz thinks too much about the ramifications of his actions. I don't believe Dana White would have sanctioned the bottle throwing as it doesn't make business sense like you mentioned, but I do believe some sort of altercation was cooked up beforehand between McGregor and Diaz.

The build to this fight up to now has been underwhelming. But now I see there are people on social media saying they are hyped for the fight after what happened. Job done. McGregor is too good a worker to not have had something in mind imo.

I mean they barely said a cross word about one another up to this fight and yet days before they meet, suddenly there are willing to fling bottles at one another?

CastorTroy · 18-08-2016 12:21am

So the fight this weekend clashes with NXT?

Ageyev · 18-08-2016 2:43am

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I'm not sure Nate 'Everyone's on steroids' Diaz thinks too much about the ramifications of his actions. I don't believe Dana White would have sanctioned the bottle throwing as it doesn't make business sense like you mentioned, but I do believe some sort of altercation was cooked up beforehand between McGregor and Diaz.

The build to this fight up to now has been underwhelming. But now I see there are people on social media saying they are hyped for the fight after what happened. Job done. McGregor is too good a worker to not have had something in mind imo.

I mean they barely said a cross word about one another up to this fight and yet days before they meet, suddenly there are willing to fling bottles at one another?

That's probably because Diaz isn't a very good talker and Conor had been beatnso he didn't really have a leg to stand on with regards to his usual sh*t talk.

Interesting that he "guaranteed" a third match.

citytillidie · 18-08-2016 3:05pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

So the fight this weekend clashes with NXT?

No NXT should be over before McGregor fights

CastorTroy · 18-08-2016 7:32pm

I won;t be watching either live anyway. Will watch on Sunday, avoiding results

Diabhal Beag · 18-08-2016 8:41pm

The odds on Diaz are mental. Can get him winning by KO, TKO, Submission or Disqualification for 8/5. Gonna stick some money on that for sure.

Monokne · 18-08-2016 10:39pm

Ageyev wrote: »

That's probably because Diaz isn't a very good talker and Conor had been beatnso he didn't really have a leg to stand on with regards to his usual sh*t talk.

Interesting that he "guaranteed" a third match.

If Diaz isn't a good talker, how did he and Conor break the all time UFC PPV record when Nate had a 5-5 record in his last 10 fights?

Being a good talker is not about enunciating correctly, it's about connecting with the audience, and it's very clear Nate has managed to do that with his promo's over the last decade.

Mr.Nice Guy · 20-08-2016 3:36pm

What are everyone's predictions for the fight? I'm thinking Diaz makes his tap again.

Bounty Hunter · 20-08-2016 4:04pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

What are everyone's predictions for the fight? I'm thinking Diaz makes his tap again.

DQ finish due to Brock Lesnar interference to set up a triple threat at MMAnia in New York.

... That said. Diaz making him tap would be the most likely outcome given their respective strengths and styles / how the last fight went. Perhaps with it going a round longer and Conor being ahead till then. That said I'm no MMA expert, in fact I am probably the definition of the casual PW MMA fan, brought in by Brock and kept around by a few people with real star power since then like Rousey and Conor.

diusmr8a504cvk · 20-08-2016 4:17pm

Brock Lesnar on Conor McGregor:

Agent Coulson · 20-08-2016 7:35pm

Man I'd love to see Vince let the wrestlers drop the "F" Bomb in promos.

CastorTroy · 20-08-2016 10:32pm

"Fake"?

:pac:

Bounty Hunter · 21-08-2016 4:20am

Used to never watch these live because of how late they were on but where I am it's now 11am as I watch the Cowboy fight

Great combo to finish it off.

Rumble Johnson vs Glover now then the main event

edit: well that didn't take long! Boom...Bring on DC

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