Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

Cant see Dublin winning it. They are currently without their three best defenders. Their only midfielder has a suspected broken jaw. Dean Rock is not even junior football standard and goes to pieces in big games as evidenced against Mayo last year. Brogan doesnt look the same player and same can be said of Flynn. On top of that Kevin Mc is in the starting team. This guy wasnt good enough to start 3 years ago, whats changed now?
They have no subs worth talking about except Mannion. People going on about how good their squad is. Its about as good as KK's in hurling. They have a first 15 and thats it.

Jaden wrote: »

Kerry may fail to heed the age old warning of "Never turn your back on a Brogan". We all know what can happen if you do.

We won't don't worry. If Bernard hacks up it's because he's too good for us to handle and nothing else.

How highly do you guys rate him in the pantheon of Dublin footballers out of interest?

keane2097 wrote:

How highly do you guys rate him in the pantheon of Dublin footballers out of interest?

Most won't miss him till he's gone.

Stoner wrote: »

Most won't miss him till he's gone.

Much left in him?

Kauto wrote: »

Cant see Dublin winning it. They are currently without their three best defenders. Their only midfielder has a suspected broken jaw. Dean Rock is not even junior football standard and goes to pieces in big games as evidenced against Mayo last year. Brogan doesnt look the same player and same can be said of Flynn. On top of that Kevin Mc is in the starting team. This guy wasnt good enough to start 3 years ago, whats changed now?
They have no subs worth talking about except Mannion. People going on about how good their squad is. Its about as good as KK's in hurling. They have a first 15 and thats it.

Dean Rock. This the lad that has now scored 27 points in a row from frees in the championship without one wide ? Not the same Dublin guy who racked up 1-40 in the league and 1-28 in three games in the championship so far and leads the golden boot.

Yeah, he probably is useless. Wouldn't get on the Cork team, thats for sure.

Your probably right about the other allstars on this Dublin team too.

ProudDUB wrote: »

Well, he was nominated for FOTY and scored 6-21 from play last year & he was Man of The Match in this years Leinster Final. So I think his descent into old age is a bit away just yet.

2-3 years or so?

Pushing 33 now isn't he. Have to say from the outside looking in he seems to be relatively ok at this stage. When you think Sean Cavanagh is 'only' 33 but looks every day of it. Alan Brogan retired around then too, though he had a difficult time with injuries didn't he.

Bernard will be remembered as one of the greats. A scoring machine with 35-339 in 106 games between Championship and League. Hopefully hangs on for another couple seasons as Cormac Costello or Paul Mannion haven't stepped up yet. Con O'Callaghan another potential star

Kauto wrote: »

Fair play to the lad and i wish him well, but there is a world of difference between scoring from frees when there is no pressure against Laois, Meath and Westmeath and scoring in the games that matter against Kerry and Mayo which he failed to do last year.
He offers nothing in general play and will be found wanting in the semi final.

Hate to be the one to break it to you, but he had a 100% success rate with the frees in the All Ireland final. He had a bad day at the office against Mayo alright, but all the best free takers have one eventually. Cillian O'Connor had an absolute mare with the frees in the Connacht final. Anyway, you won't find many people here saying that Deano is our go to guy from scores from open play. He never has been. That's what we have Berno, Kev Mc, Paddy Andrews etc etc for. Perhaps you've heard of them?

Nidge, I wouldn't give Berno 2-3 years, not as a starter anyway. Deffo this year and highly likely next year. After that, I don't know. His preseason training, league appearances and champo game time are micro managed to a minute degree, to have him primed for August and September. Taking the frees of him last year, seems to have revitalized him too. These days, he stays much closer to home (hence all the poacher goals) and saves the legs, by not making so many of all those long runs out to the corner, to drag his marker(s) wide, that he used to.

But I doubt if even he can keep it going, at the highest level at the age of 34/35 plus. Not with the likes of Mannion and CC snipping at his heels. Still, he's the best FF we've had in a generation. Maybe the best ever. You don't send his smarts and experience and poacher instincts to the scrap heap, until you really, really have to. And that day is not on the near horizon, thank goodness.

Kauto wrote: »

Fair play to the lad and i wish him well, but there is a world of difference between scoring from frees when there is no pressure against Laois, Meath and Westmeath and scoring in the games that matter against Kerry and Mayo which he failed to do last year.
He offers nothing in general play and will be found wanting in the semi final.

I honestly thought your initial post was some form of weird sarcasm or Dubs wind up now I realise that you are you just talking out your backside.

"Fair play to the lad". Listen sunshine, Rock is no one trick pony. He put up 29 points during the championship last year, 2-6 from play and 17 points from the spot.

On the same note, Bernard Brogan put up 39 points during the championship last year, 6-20 of which was from play,i.e. only one point was not from play!

Now these two and some of the other players you dissed form this thing called a team and the idea of the game is to put more scores on the board in order to beat your opponent, when you beat all your opponents, you win this cup, called the Sam Maguire, which is only given to the "bestest" team in the land.

What do points make Kauto ?

Any word on Fenton. It's really come to light how highly regarded he is around the country.

Excellent

ProudDUB wrote: »

I'm hearing that Xrays showed no jaw fracture/break.

Barely touched him anyway.

Dublin Championship, League & O'Byrne Cup 2016 Player Stats


Dublin have used 24 players in 4 Championship games.Appearances+Subs for 2016 Championship Games

Brogan, Bernard 4
Byrne, David 4
Cluxton, Stephen 4 (2 Clean Sheets. Conceded 3 Goals)
Connolly, Diarmuid 4
Cooper, Jonny 4
Fenton, Brian 4
Kilkenny, Ciaran 4
McMahon, Philip 4
McManamon, Kevin 4
O’Sullivan, Cian 4
Rock, Dean 4
Small, John 4
Macauley, Michael Darragh 3+1
Bastick, Denis 1+3
Lowndes, Eric 1+3
Mannion, Paul 1+3
Fitzsimons, Michael 0+4
Flynn, Paul 3
Andrews, Paddy 1+2
O’Callaghan, Con 0+3
Daly, Darren 0+3
McCarthy, James 2
O’Gara, Eoghan 0+2
Costello, Cormac 0+1



Dublin have scored 5-76 and conceded 3-41 in 4 Championship games. Scorers 2016 Championship Games

Rock, Dean 1-33
Connolly, Diarmuid 1-11
Brogan, Bernard 1-7
McManamon, Kevin 1-6
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-5
Mannion, Paul 1-2
Flynn, Paul 0-3
Andrews, Paddy 0-3
Byrne, David 0-1
Cooper, Jonny 0-1
Fenton, Brian 0-1
McMahon, Philip 0-1
O’Callaghan, Con 0-1
Small, John 0-1



Dublin used 36 players in 9 League games.Appearances+Subs for 2016 League Games

Rock, Dean 7+2
Fitzsimons, Michael 5+4
Costello, Cormac 4+5
Byrne, David 8 (Olafs)
McCarthy, James 8
Cooper, Jonny 7+1
Kilkenny, Ciaran 7+1
Small, John 6+2
McMahon, Philip 7
O’Sullivan, Cian 7
Andrews, Paddy 6+1
Bastick, Denis 6+1
Fenton, Brian 6+1
Flynn, Paul 6+1
Cluxton, Stephen 6 (5 Clean Sheets. Conceded 1 Goal)
Connolly, Diarmuid 6
Brady, Tomas 4+2
O’Conghaile, Emmett 4+2
Lowndes, Eric 3+3
Carthy, Shane (Vincents) 1+5
Daly, Darren 1+5
Mannion, Paul 5
Brogan, Bernard 4+1
Carthy, Shane (Mearnog) 1+4
McManamon, Kevin 3+2
Savage, Michael 3 (1 Clean Sheet. Conceded 3 Goals)
Byrne, David (Ballymun) 2+1
O’Brien, Kevin 1+1
McCaffrey, Jack 0+2
Reddin, Ciaran 0+2
Ryan, Philip 0+2
McHugh, Conor 1
Macauley, Michael Darragh 0+1
McDaid, Robert 0+1
O’Callaghan, Con 0+1
O’Gara, Eoghan 0+1





Dublin scored 11-127 and conceded 4-99 in 9 League games. Scorers 2016 League Games

Rock, Dean 1-40
Costello, Cormac 1-22
Connolly, Diarmuid 3-5
Andrews, Paddy 1-10
Brogan, Bernard 1-7
Kilkenny, Ciaran 0-8
McManamon, Kevin 0-8
Flynn, Paul 1-3
McMahon, Philip 1-3
McCarthy, James 1-2
Mannion, Paul 0-4
Lowndes, Eric 1-1
Cooper, Jonny 0-3
Carthy, Shane (Vincents) 0-2
Fenton, Brian 0-2
O’Conghaile, Emmett 0-2
Small, John 0-2
Bastick, Denis 0-1
Brady, Tomas 0-1
McHugh, Conor 0-1


Dublin used 32 players in 4 O'Byrne Cup games.Appearances+Subs for 2016 O'Byrne Cup


Andrews, Paddy 4
Carthy, Shane(Vincents) 4
Costello, Cormac 4
Curley, Jarlath 4
Small, John 4
McMahon, Philip 3+1
Reddin, Ciaran 3+1
McCarthy, James 2+2
Scully, Niall 2+2
Bastick, Denis 3
Brady, Tomas 3
O'Callaghan, Con 3
Rock, Dean 3
Savage, Michael 3
Cooper, Jonny 2+1
Culligan, Eoin 2+1
Mullally, Conor 2+1
Whelan, Jason 2+1
Deegan, Michael 1+2
Concarr, Michael 1+1
Daly, Darren 1+1
Caffrey, Adam 0+2
Hannigan, Graham 0+2
Walsh, Niall 0+2
Cluxton, Stephen 1
Devereux, Nicky 1
Manning, Oisin 1
McGuire, Conor 1
Cunningham, Stephen 0+1
MacDonncha, Maitias 0+1
Ryan, Philip 0+1


Dublin scored 4-61 and conceded 6-38 in 4 O'Byrne Cup games. Scorers 2016 O'Byrne Cup Games


Costello, Cormac 2-11
Rock, Dean 0-15
Andrews, Paddy 1-7
O'Callaghan, Con 1-3
Carthy, Shane(Vincents) 0-5
Deegan, Michael 0-5
Whelan, Jason 0-4
Brady, Tomas 0-3
Reddin, Ciaran 0-3
McGuire, Conor 0-2
Daly, Darren 0-1
McMahon, Philip 0-1
Scully, Niall 0-1

ProudDUB wrote: »

And that big welt that appeared immediately on his jaw....how did that get there then? Did he run into the crossbar, get stung by a bee, develop a sudden allergic reaction to Maxi Curran's aftershave? :rolleyes:

You're getting very antsy as we get closer to the SF. Nidge was joshing.

ProudDUB wrote: »

Not antsy at all. Just not willing to buy into the "MM is a saintly choirboy, who just happens to be built like a Panzer tank & he didn't really mean to hit Fenton so hard" propaganda that is peddled in some parts. You could call it good practice for whenever Kieran Donaghy does whatever Kieran Donaghy inevitably will do in the AI semi final.

(The smiley faces are your first clue that I'm not being entirely serious. :P )

:rolleyes: is dangerous one to throw about.