Upcoming DC Extended Universe (DCEU) Movies

Ben Gadot · 09-08-2016 6:15am

Ayer said he'd like to direct a Superman film just before the reviews for SS were released, probably no chance now though. George Miller was another name just after Mad Max. I'm not really pushed on anyone in particular as long as they bring a passion to the job and will be allowed to be their vision to fruition without studio interference.

Mad to think the sequel to MOS will have taken 6 years to get here.

Penn · 09-08-2016 8:49am

I wonder if the story will explore how Superman is kind of like a god to normal people. Snyder and Goyer kinda touched on it by mentioning it about every 43 seconds in MoS1 and BvS, but since it's already been shoved down our throats, may as well push it down into our stomachs so we don't choke on it.

In all seriousness though, I'm glad Cavill is getting another solo film. I do think he's capable of pulling off a proper Clark/Superman dichotomy and hasn't been given a proper chance to do so yet. Of course the only fear is how they'll fix the storyline of Clark being dead.

Mickeroo · 09-08-2016 9:07am

Ben Gadot wrote: »

Ayer said he'd like to direct a Superman film just before the reviews for SS were released, probably no chance now though. George Miller was another name just after Mad Max. I'm not really pushed on anyone in particular as long as they bring a passion to the job and will be allowed to be their vision to fruition without studio interference.

Mad to think the sequel to MOS will have taken 6 years to get here.

Miller had a Justice League film greenlit a long time ago that was going to come out during Nolan's movies but be completely separate continuity wise iirc. Think a few of the roles were cast and everything before it got canned.

I think one thing the films have gotten right so far has been casting, don't think anyone was wrong for their roles (haven't seen SS yet though).

techdiver · 09-08-2016 9:12am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Miller had a Justice League film greenlit a long time ago that was going to come out during Nolan's movies but be completely separate continuity wise iirc. Think a few of the roles were cast and everything before it got canned.

I think one thing the films have gotten right so far has been casting, don't think anyone was wrong for their roles (haven't seen SS yet though).

I agree with the exception of Eisenberg. He was not Lex. He was a good psycho bad guy, but not Lex.

Mickeroo · 09-08-2016 9:20am

techdiver wrote: »

I agree with the exception of Eisenberg. He was not Lex. He was a good psycho bad guy, but not Lex.

Oh yeah fair point, I must have erased him from my memory for some reason

Doctor DooM · 09-08-2016 9:27am

Penn wrote: »

I wonder if the story will explore how Superman is kind of like a god to normal people. Snyder and Goyer kinda touched on it by mentioning it about every 43 seconds in MoS1 and BvS, but since it's already been shoved down our throats, may as well push it down into our stomachs so we don't choke on it.

In all seriousness though, I'm glad Cavill is getting another solo film. I do think he's capable of pulling off a proper Clark/Superman dichotomy and hasn't been given a proper chance to do so yet. Of course the only fear is how they'll fix the storyline of Clark being dead.

"The death of Superman" is one of the most well known- and maligned, for various reasons- stories of Superman from the comics. they have a blue print if they want to use it.

To be honest, they don't even need to have any real reason he comes back. He's a solar battery, and the more he's charged the more his healing factor kicks in. He is currently underground in soil and they could either go

a) Someone has the bright idea that exposing him to sunlight might awaken him from his "coma"

b) If you want to be more esoteric he absorbs the nutrients and stored light in the plants around him, and you could add a Gaia angle to his Superman-as-Jesus thing going on.

pixelburp · 09-08-2016 9:31am

techdiver wrote: »

I agree with the exception of Eisenberg. He was not Lex. He was a good psycho bad guy, but not Lex.

He was more like the Joker really, leastways more than Jared Leto was anyway

Honestly though it's 3 for 3 with DC/Warner Brothers disappointments after the release of the hacked together Suicide Squad; at this stage it feels the easiest path to sanity is to dial back expectations. Dial them way, way back and just hope Wonder Woman is the film to belatedly kick the movie universe into gear.

techdiver · 09-08-2016 9:49am

pixelburp wrote: »

He was more like the Joker really, leastways more than Jared Leto was anyway

Honestly though it's 3 for 3 with DC/Warner Brothers disappointments after the release of the hacked together Suicide Squad; at this stage it feels the easiest path to sanity is to dial back expectations. Dial them way, way back and just hope Wonder Woman is the film to belatedly kick the movie universe into gear.

I really have high hopes for Wonder Woman (I can't help it ha ha). I am one of the few who liked both MOS and BvS. I know they were not perfect movies but I still think they didn't deserve the level flack they got from some. I haven't seen SS yet.

One concern I have is that it did strike me from the WW trailer is the fact that she seems to be fighting against normal human men. Now, WW is up there with Superman in the power stakes (not quite as powerful, but still should swat humans like a fly), so I'm wondering how they can reconcile her fighting humans with being able to take on a creature like Doomsday...

DeWitt · 09-08-2016 9:55am

techdiver wrote: »

I really have high hopes for Wonder Woman (I can't help it ha ha). I am one of the few who liked both MOS and BvS. I know they were not perfect movies but I still think they didn't deserve the level flack they got from some. I haven't seen SS yet.

One concern I have is that it did strike me from the WW trailer is the fact that she seems to be fighting against normal human men. Now, WW is up there with Superman in the power stakes (not quite as powerful, but still should swat humans like a fly), so I'm wondering how they can reconcile her fighting humans with being able to take on a creature like Doomsday...

It's the first trailer for a movie that's a year away. They'll reveal her non human enemy (likely Ares God of War) the closer we get to the release.

Penn · 09-08-2016 10:02am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

"The death of Superman" is one of the most well known- and maligned, for various reasons- stories of Superman from the comics. they have a blue print if they want to use it.

To be honest, they don't even need to have any real reason he comes back. He's a solar battery, and the more he's charged the more his healing factor kicks in. He is currently underground in soil and they could either go

a) Someone has the bright idea that exposing him to sunlight might awaken him from his "coma"

b) If you want to be more esoteric he absorbs the nutrients and stored light in the plants around him, and you could add a Gaia angle to his Superman-as-Jesus thing going on.

Apologies, I don't mean in terms of how Superman comes back to life, I mean how they explain how Clark has come back to life. Perry White and Jenny were at his funeral. Everyone Clark knows (who don't know he's Superman) knows he's dead. Given Clark & Superman died at the same time, if they both come back to life at pretty much the same time too, how do they explain it? The reason no-one thinks Clark is Superman is because of their completely different personas. In BvS, Clark's persona wasn't all that different from Superman's. If they both come back to life, Perry White (and pretty much everyone at the Daily Planet who knew Clark) would have to be an absolute idiot not to cop that Clark is Superman.

My worry is they'll largely just abandon 'Clark Kent' and not have him as a journalist. They'll just have him as Superman for the majority of the film. I think that'd be a real shame.

Nervous Wreck · 09-08-2016 10:03am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

"The death of Superman" is one of the most well known- and maligned, for various reasons- stories of Superman from the comics. they have a blue print if they want to use it.

To be honest, they don't even need to have any real reason he comes back. He's a solar battery, and the more he's charged the more his healing factor kicks in. He is currently underground in soil and they could either go

a) Someone has the bright idea that exposing him to sunlight might awaken him from his "coma"

b) If you want to be more esoteric he absorbs the nutrients and stored light in the plants around him, and you could add a Gaia angle to his Superman-as-Jesus thing going on.

I think Penn meant Clark Kent's death being a problem rather than Superman's.

Penn · 09-08-2016 10:06am

techdiver wrote: »

I agree with the exception of Eisenberg. He was not Lex. He was a good psycho bad guy, but not Lex.

That's the thing, there were sparks of Lex in there. Little moments and mannerisms where I thought "Yes, that's Lex".

Given some of the deleted scenes I hope it'll be explained that he was brainwashed/controlled by someone else and we'll get to see Eisenberg actually as a proper Lex Luthor (rather than as some suggested having Lex's father come in and be the real Lex Luthor we all know).

I think Eisenberg is capable of being a proper Lex. They just need to have him stop p*ssing in jars and shoving jolly ranchers into people's mouths.

techdiver · 09-08-2016 10:25am

DeWitt wrote: »

It's the first trailer for a movie that's a year away. They'll reveal her non human enemy (likely Ares God of War) the closer we get to the release.

Sorry, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was saying that it's odd that she is fighting against humans in hand to hand combat. It would be like Superman in the fist fight with a human. It doesn't fit with her abilities if you know what I mean.

Mickeroo · 09-08-2016 10:27am

techdiver wrote: »

Sorry, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was saying that it's odd that she is fighting against humans in hand to hand combat. It would be like Superman in the fist fight with a human. It doesn't fit with her abilities if you know what I mean.

i think it's just an inherent problem with Superheros in that their apparent strength often changes depending on the requirement of the plot/scene. In Civil War cap manages to stop a helicopter taking off just by holding on to it but he's never showed that level of strength elsewhere that I can think of for example.

Doctor DooM · 09-08-2016 10:31am

Penn wrote: »

Apologies, I don't mean in terms of how Superman comes back to life, I mean how they explain how Clark has come back to life. Perry White and Jenny were at his funeral. Everyone Clark knows (who don't know he's Superman) knows he's dead. Given Clark & Superman died at the same time, if they both come back to life at pretty much the same time too, how do they explain it? The reason no-one thinks Clark is Superman is because of their completely different personas. In BvS, Clark's persona wasn't all that different from Superman's. If they both come back to life, Perry White (and pretty much everyone at the Daily Planet who knew Clark) would have to be an absolute idiot not to cop that Clark is Superman.

My worry is they'll largely just abandon 'Clark Kent' and not have him as a journalist. They'll just have him as Superman for the majority of the film. I think that'd be a real shame.

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I think Penn meant Clark Kent's death being a problem rather than Superman's.

Yeah I totally misunderstood you, and you know what? There'd be some great comedy in trying to bring Clark back, if they wanted to do that angle. I can't see it though, I'd have the same worries you do.

techdiver · 09-08-2016 10:37am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Yeah I totally misunderstood you, and you know what? There'd be some great comedy in trying to bring Clark back, if they wanted to do that angle. I can't see it though, I'd have the same worries you do.

Yeah, I think they should have "shelved" the Clark dying part of the story somehow. Then if Superman came back Clark could resurface having just been missing or something like that. I know it would be full of plot holes, but they are backed into a serious corner now with Clark. As far as I'm concerned, Clark as a character is just as important as Superman. In the Extended cut we got to see him being a real investigative journalist and expand on his character. It would be a shame to loose that whole side of his character.

Doctor DooM · 09-08-2016 10:45am

techdiver wrote: »

Yeah, I think they should have "shelved" the Clark dying part of the story somehow. Then if Superman came back Clark could resurface having just been missing or something like that. I know it would be full of plot holes, but they are backed into a serious corner now with Clark. As far as I'm concerned, Clark as a character is just as important as Superman. In the Extended cut we got to see him being a real investigative journalist and expand on his character. It would be a shame to loose that whole side of his character.

It's an old adage that Bruce Wayne is the mask Batman wears and Superman is the mask Clark Kent wears. He's totally an important character.

I can't remember, did they establish Clark's body as being found? They could do a whole "oh he took a knock on the head and he's been lying in hospital as a john doe for months" angle if not... I'd agree losing him would be an awful shame.

techdiver · 09-08-2016 11:04am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

It's an old adage that Bruce Wayne is the mask Batman wears and Superman is the mask Clark Kent wears. He's totally an important character.

I can't remember, did they establish Clark's body as being found? They could do a whole "oh he took a knock on the head and he's been lying in hospital as a john doe for months" angle if not... I'd agree losing him would be an awful shame.

They did indeed. Open coffin at the Kent home for his funeral and all, so there is no getting away from that. I think they completely ****ed up that story arc! They have to bring him back somehow. You can't have one without the other. I'd hate to be the writer who has to fluff his way through this one!

Penn · 09-08-2016 11:28am

It was wholly ridiculous of them to do The Death of Superman in his second film, when everyone knew he was going to be in the Justice League films. I get why they did it in terms of story, but they could have done something similar yet different enough where he survived in the end.

Doctor DooM · 09-08-2016 11:32am

techdiver wrote: »

They did indeed. Open coffin at the Kent home for his funeral and all, so there is no getting away from that. I think they completely ****ed up that story arc! They have to bring him back somehow. You can't have one without the other. I'd hate to be the writer who has to fluff his way through this one!

Ah no, this is great fun... try figuring out a few!

Uuuuuhhhh.... no one knew, but Clark had an identical twin!

He was going undercover and had to fake his own death.

Similar vein, he had to go into witness protection as he had some of the evidence to take Luthor down.

You guys know that cloning machine Luthor had? Well, he tested it on Clark, see. The body wasn't Clark Prime, it was the copy he made.

I'm out, I think the second one is the most likely

Penn · 09-08-2016 11:39am

"What? No, I wasn't dead. I was just... pining for the fjords..."

techdiver · 09-08-2016 11:40am

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Ah no, this is great fun... try figuring out a few!

Uuuuuhhhh.... no one knew, but Clark had an identical twin!

He was going undercover and had to fake his own death.

Similar vein, he had to go into witness protection as he had some of the evidence to take Luthor down.

You guys know that cloning machine Luthor had? Well, he tested it on Clark, see. The body wasn't Clark Prime, it was the copy he made.

I'm out, I think the second one is the most likely

I've a better one. He was Clark form Earth 2 brought here by the rift caused by a particle accelerator at Star Labs (ala Flash TV show).

I suppose they can use whatever they want, but I'm going to bet now that it'll be a serious leaky bucket from a story point of view....

Nervous Wreck · 09-08-2016 12:00pm

I don't remember an open casket scene but they did say that Clark was buried in Smallville alright.

Doing the Death of Superman in te first place was a stupid move. It ruined the very concept of death in comic books when it was originally done and has basically done the same for the movies now. Once thy bring him back for Justice League, there will be no threat to him again in any of their movies because the audience will know that death will only ever be temporary for him. Can't believe they'd be so stupid...

Penn · 09-08-2016 12:08pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I don't remember an open casket scene but they did say that Clark was buried in Smallville alright.

It shows Martha putting a picture of Clark and Pa Kent into the coffin, then holding Clark's hand. Just before she goes up to Lois and gives her the engagement ring.

Ben Gadot · 09-08-2016 12:10pm

techdiver wrote: »

Sorry, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was saying that it's odd that she is fighting against humans in hand to hand combat. It would be like Superman in the fist fight with a human. It doesn't fit with her abilities if you know what I mean.

Depends on context. The hand to hand combat could be her averting something in the last minute which would be fine by me. It wouldn't be like Bruce actively seeking out the scum of Gotham for a baiting. She probably has no choice but to act in the moment.

Then there's the actual battlefield scenes where it's her and her shield/sword against soldiers with modern weaponary (for the time period), which is fair as well.

techdiver · 09-08-2016 12:17pm

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I don't remember an open casket scene but they did say that Clark was buried in Smallville alright.

Doing the Death of Superman in te first place was a stupid move. It ruined the very concept of death in comic books when it was originally done and has basically done the same for the movies now. Once thy bring him back for Justice League, there will be no threat to him again in any of their movies because the audience will know that death will only ever be temporary for him. Can't believe they'd be so stupid...

Yeah, the open casket scene was definitely in it. Even without the open casket scene, it would still be a stretch to say, "Hey, we actually buried the wrong guy...".

As soon as Doomsday was announced for BvS, I knew Superman would die, as that's what Doomsday does, he kills Superman. It's why I didn't want Doomsday in the movie. He would have been better to keep in reserve for a Solo Superman movie or a Justice League movie. Alas, to quote some of our "legendary Irish politicians", "we are where we are!".

One thing is for sure, it will be interesting how they handle the whole comeback thing from both a Superman and Clark viewpoint. Will they go down the "clone" route and use him as an interim bad guy for Justice League before Steppenwolf shows up with the real Superman being resurrected in parallel etc. Will he have the long hair and black suit? I suppose the Superman arc of the story is the easy bit. Clark is going to be the difficult one. I'll be pissed off if they just leave him dead!

Ben Gadot · 09-08-2016 12:37pm

I had a sense of impending dread over Doomsday being introduced this early but I was excited for, if nothing else, the design of the creature.

I got fcuked in that regard unfortunately, ditto on Apocalypse.

2016 has been a very disappointing cinematic year for me in terms of things that I've been waiting to come to fruition since I was a kid.

FunLover18 · 09-08-2016 3:05pm

The trouble with doing a MoS sequel is the dark tone that DC/WB have persisted with for these films. I have no problem with a dark tone provided its done right but it just doesn't suit Superman who is supposed to be a source of hope and optimism.

Nervous Wreck · 09-08-2016 5:50pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

The trouble with doing a MoS sequel is the dark tone that DC/WB have persisted with for these films. I have no problem with a dark tone provided its done right but it just doesn't suit Superman who is supposed to be a source of hope and optimism.

I have a strong feeling the grimdark stuff will be dropped as soon as Snyder is out the door.

pixelburp · 09-08-2016 6:07pm

Ah, the dark tone's easily rid of; this is comics we're talking about - ain't no problem a quick timeline reset can't fix & boom, Superman's smiling again. Hell, now that The Flash is in the movieverse it's doubly easy given timeline tinkering's his modus operandi

Ben Gadot · 09-08-2016 6:20pm

The dark visual can be irritating at times when it feels like I'm watching a 2D showing in 3D but really it's the least of their problems.

Establishing a tone and sticking to it for better or worse.
Playing to character strengths.
Story which includes editing properly.

They are the areas of priorities in equal measure. The other issues are just irritants that are amplified by the major boo boos.

Lithium93_ · 10-08-2016 8:58pm

Black Manta

revealed as the villain for 2018 Aquaman film.

Lithium93_ · 12-08-2016 11:14pm

There seems to be trouble on the horizon at Warner/DC, an alleged ex employee has posted an open letter, and here is said letter, obviously grains of salt at the ready..

When I left my screening of Suicide Squad last week, I was angry. I was annoyed and let down and frustrated as well, but mostly I was just angry.

Look, I'm a big dork. So of course I thought this trainwreck of a movie did a major disservice to the characters, concept, cast, and crew, but that wasn't why I was mad. Yes, it is unfathomable to me that Warner Bros could mess up a movie starring Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and The Joker so completely. But that just had me flummoxed.

I was angry because I couldn't stop thinking about you, Kevin Tsujihara.

A lot of fans might be angry (and rightfully so) because you keep completely whiffing at properties that they are desperate to love and enjoy, but this is a little more personal for me. See, I am a former Warner Bros employee. I have so much respect for your studio. I love every square inch of that magical backlot, from Stars Hollow to the fitness center I always meant to use. The people I worked with during my time with your company are now close friends. On my last day, I hugged them and I told them I loved them.

I was also there in 2014, when you made the decision to lay off 10 percent of your workforce. It was a terrible year. Let me catch you up: Every morning I woke up with a pit in my stomach, because I assumed that would be the day I lost my job. Every day I saw someone packing up their desk, or carrying a box to their car. I can not describe to you the relief I felt when my department was told we were safe, or the guilt I felt afterwards walking through the halls of my office with that relief.

But out of all that, the thing that really sticks with me is the memo you sent to all of us. Let me refresh you on my favorite part:

I wanted you to hear directly from me about our plans for the studio. In recent days, we have started to hear rumors here at the company and to read misinformation in the press, so I'd like to set the record straight. I know that the hard work and dedication of every employee around the world is the key to Warner Bros.' success, and I am sorry for the distraction this situation brings to the workplace.

At Warner Bros., we work with the world's most extraordinary storytellers, and our focus has always been to provide the creative environment and financial resources they need to realize their vision. Our commitment to that won't change. In fact, we're investing more than ever in our film and television productions.

This is how you opened a memo about layoffs. "Hey guys, we work hard for the people telling stories here and we want to make sure those visions are realized." The balls on you.

That year we pursued the storytelling vision of Adam Sandler's Blended and Clint Eastwood's Jersey Boys. Failures. We pursued a potentially great summer movie like Edge of Tomorrow and completely botched its release. Same with Man From UNCLE. We dug in our heels and hoped The Hobbit Trilogy would somehow stop being a mediocre case of diminishing returns. Talented, loyal people packed their boxes and went home while your story tellers dropped the ball.

One could argue that this was not your fault. That you inherited former CEO Barry Meyer's agenda and were merely trying to correct the course of an ocean liner heading for an iceberg.

I would not make this argument. And here's why: I wrote this letter last year. I actually started forming it in my head after Man of Steel was a box office failure instead of the modern classic tentpole you were expecting.

I kept holding off on doing anything with it because of one title: Suicide Squad. Zack Snyder's Dawn of Justice was a fiasco, but here comes this plucky little dark adventure about antiheroes. I love David Ayer. I love Harley Quinn. I love Will Smith. Put the letter in a drawer. The ship isn't sinking anymore. Everything is fine. There's no way this movie is bad.

And here we are. I got back from my screening and dusted this sucker off. You, your executive team, and the vision of your 'extraordinary storytellers' that resulted in the loss of around one thousand jobs seem intent on crashing the ship into as much **** as you can find in the ocean by making inane decisions over and over again.

Zack Snyder is not delivering. Is he being punished? Assistants who were doing fantastic work certainly were. People in finance and in marketing and in IT. They had no say in a movie called Batman V Superman only having 8 minutes of Batman fighting Superman in it, that ends because their moms have the same name. Snyder is a producer on every DC movie. He is still directing Justice League. He is being rewarded with more opportunity to get more people laid off. I'm assuming you yourself haven't been financially affected in any real way. You and your studio are the biggest lesson about life one can learn: The top screws up and the bottom suffers. Peter Jackson phones it in and a marketing supervisor has to figure out a plan B for house payments.

Your uneven Hall H presentation at Comic Con this year was a ridiculous mess that ranged from rushed to boring. When Marvel announced their full slate of films with a fun fan event several years ago, you announced yours on a shareholder conference call.

You just don't get it. And it's not just DC movies, it's your whole slate. Jupiter Ascending. Get Hard. Hot Pursuit. Max. Vacation. Pan. Point Break. ****ing PAN, you jerk. People lost their jobs and you decided Pan was a good idea. You think another Jungle Book is a good idea.

What are you even doing? I wish to God you were forced to live out of a car until you made a #1 movie of the year. Maybe Wonder Woman wouldn't be such a mess. Don't try to hide behind the great trailer. People inside are already confirming it's another mess. It is almost impressive how you keep rewarding the same producers and executives for making the same mistakes, over and over.

If I worked at a donut stand, and I kept ****ing up donuts, I'd be fired. Even if I made a tiny decent one every now and then, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna get fired.

I love that studio, and you're allowing it to sink. It's not about making movies for 'the fans' and not 'the critics.' It's not even about 'ruining childhoods.' It's about protecting livelihoods.

It's time to wake up and make the ****ing donuts, Kevin.

Nervous Wreck · 13-08-2016 12:54am

What a champ!

Ben Gadot · 13-08-2016 10:01am

Seen that posted elsewhere on some donkey website. Wouldn't be surprised if it's largely made up.

Giving it the benefit of doubt she makes a comment AS AN EX EMPLOYEE for a considerable time that Wonder Woman will be terrible and all the hack websites are picking up on it as fact, as if she gave some major verifiable inside info way.

It's embarrassing really.

Lithium93_ · 13-08-2016 10:14am

Well for a start, nowhere does it mention the gender of who wrote it, though whoever wrote it, I tip my hat for the use of the Big Trouble In Little China reference in using the pseudonym Gracie Law..

Something needs to be done, if Wonder Woman sinks, I can see the screeching end of the DCEU.

Ben Gadot · 13-08-2016 10:25am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Well for a start, nowhere does it mention the gender of who wrote it, though whoever wrote it, I tip my hat for the use of the Big Trouble In Little China reference in using the pseudonym Gracie Law..

Something needs to be done, if Wonder Woman sinks, I can see the screeching end of the DCEU.

Given that they've hired the likes of Jason Momoa, Ezra Miller, The Rock as Black Adam and Ray Fisher as Cyborg to multi film contracts and who have yet to make their first major appearance, I doubt they'll be willing to suffer the embarrassment of cancelling all of those deals to massive cost and reputational damage.

That's not to mention the big hitters who are already on multi film contracts such as Affleck, Gadot and Cavill.

As long as this universe makes money, which it is as Suicide Squad is doing better than expected after the savage reviews in the box office, this franchise is going nowhere.

Lithium93_ · 13-08-2016 10:53am

Well on a technicality, Jason Momoa, Ezra Miller and Ray Fisher have already made their first major appearance by way of cameo in Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice, do cameos count? Open to correction on that..

IF and big IF, The DCEU were to come to a screeching halt, and those multi film contracts canned, Warner/DC would be taken the cleaners several times over..

I'm not denying it's making money, but some changes need to be made, Snyders & Goyer being 3 examples..

Also pity the fools who pay attention to box office reviews, go in watch the film, form your own opinion..

Warner/DC have a recipe/plan, but it's a case of one too many cooks.. They need someone to be their version of Marvel's Kevin Feige, and I'm hoping it'll be Geoff Johns..

Agent Coulson · 13-08-2016 1:51pm

There will always be a loophole in the contracts that benefit the studio's if they want to end a stars contract so I wouldn't think that would be an issue if somehow the pull the plug on the Universe which they won't imo.

I said it before Goyer is as big an issue as Snyder for me and it will be harder to get them out of their contracts for the studio because they are more ingrained with studio because of how deep they intertwined with other projects for the studio.

Like it or not Snyder is leading this Universe for the long haul.

Ben Gadot · 13-08-2016 2:02pm

I think I read a report that said after Justice League Part 1 Snyder will quietly step away from directing in the franchise while remaining a producer.

I think he said himself that JL1 will mark the end of his trilogy of films.

Nervous Wreck · 13-08-2016 2:11pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

There will always be a loophole in the contracts that benefit the studio's if they want to end a stars contract so I wouldn't think that would be an issue if somehow the pull the plug on the Universe which they won't imo.

I said it before Goyer is as big an issue as Snyder for me and it will be harder to get them out of their contracts for the studio because they are more ingrained with studio because of how deep they intertwined with other projects for the studio.

Like it or not Snyder is leading this Universe for the long haul.

Geoff Johns is leading the DCEU. His influence won't be felt for a while because he's just come in but definitely after Justice League, it'll be his show.

Ben Gadot · 13-08-2016 2:38pm

http://www.superherohype.com/news/380127-director-patty-jenkins-comments-on-wonder-woman-rumors#/slide/1

Agent Coulson · 13-08-2016 2:47pm

I have some belief Wonder Woman will be good from the trailer. Neither B vs S or SS trailers impressed me at all.

But the director and the studio are hardly going to come out and agree with whoever wrote the letter.

The Spin is on now they would have been better to just ignore it I think.

Ben Gadot · 13-08-2016 2:50pm

Agreed but Jenkins said one thing in particular that was interesting, that they're actually going to prove that article is false.

Whether they follow up on that is another thing, but one thing is for certain that if they do prove it to be false, more of that needs to happen. Hack websites have gotten away with bull**** for far too long.

Agent Coulson · 13-08-2016 3:02pm

Also the DCEU might not be tearing up the Box Office like the MCU but it is making a pretty healthy profit for the studio with the 3 movies so far they have made about a Billion profit all things considered that's ok I would imagine for them while they have a troubled start to the Universe and more films in the pipeline.

Ben Gadot · 13-08-2016 3:13pm

Box office doesn't really bother me as long as enough money is made to keep the train running.

Saying a reboot could happen is all well and good but how do you reboot an entire universe? We probably won't see another DC film for ten years if that happens. So we should be hoping that the DCEU improves, not fail.

Doctor DooM · 15-08-2016 2:45pm

Unless films start losing we're not going to see the end of the DCEU. We might see a reshuffle though if they keep on disappointing shareholders RoI.

If you were likely to make 10 cent for every dollar you invested with Warner, or 30 cent with Universal, which would you take? That's the real danger (note I have no idea how Warner perform next to Universal

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Hb6g6 · 23-08-2016 11:43am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Also the DCEU might not be tearing up the Box Office like the MCU but it is making a pretty healthy profit for the studio with the 3 movies so far they have made about a Billion profit all things considered that's ok I would imagine for them while they have a troubled start to the Universe and more films in the pipeline.

It will take time for DC to build momentum with their movies. I think alot of people forget it took Marvel six films to get that momentum to translate into box office numbers. Its like people are expecting DC to get the numbers Marvel have now within their first film. Marvel gets the numbers they do because they have had more time to establish there characters and create an emotional connection with the audience, DC will get there in time I'm sure with the more movies they release.

On a side note I don't get this team mentally that is present between fans of DC and Marvel. In the end of the day these are just movies for our entertainment and there is no need for this unnecessary hate that goes back and forth between these fans.

Ben Gadot · 23-08-2016 12:10pm

Hb6g6 wrote: »

On a side note I don't get this team mentally that is present between fans of DC and Marvel. In the end of the day these are just movies for our entertainment and there is no need for this unnecessary hate that goes back and forth between these fans.

Some people are just sad.

I don't think any further analysis is warranted to be honest.

Doctor DooM · 23-08-2016 1:14pm

Hb6g6 wrote: »

It will take time for DC to build momentum with their movies. I think alot of people forget it took Marvel six films to get that momentum to translate into box office numbers. Its like people are expecting DC to get the numbers Marvel have now within their first film. Marvel gets the numbers they do because they have had more time to establish there characters and create an emotional connection with the audience, DC will get there in time I'm sure with the more movies they release.

On a side note I don't get this team mentally that is present between fans of DC and Marvel. In the end of the day these are just movies for our entertainment and there is no need for this unnecessary hate that goes back and forth between these fans.

I'm a big fan of both companies in general, but Iron Man took nearly 4 times its budget. That's a humongous return on investment compared to the DC films, and when it comes to funding, that's what counts, and if questions are being asked in Warner that's what they will be focused on.

That said the immediate follow up for marvel- Hulk- did nothing like that, and people weren't up in arms, so your point still stands

I also agree fanboyism is getting kinda tired. I just want excellent films featuring these characters I've loved since I was young!

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