Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

darced · 29-07-2016 07:08PM

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HardenendMan · 29-07-2016 11:46PM

Have to agree, Conor is a very decent, smart and driven person underneath the showmanship. Unfortunately a lot of people only hear the sound bites of him throwing abuse. Or videos of him in the flash cars showing off. Because that's what gets into the mainstream media. It sells.

But there is plenty of footage of a more humble and articulate Conor.

stephenl15 · 30-07-2016 12:29AM

Wonderfully put by wonderfullife

couldn't agree more wish others could see it that way

jigglypuffstuff · 30-07-2016 02:00AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Choices: Gave up an apprenticeship as a plumber as his heart wasn't in it. Gave up hanging around with the wrong crowd, getting into trouble, out partying non stop to dedicate himself to Martial Arts, at a time where there was no clear viable path to fame, fortune or even a career that would pay the bills.

Character: Loyal to his friends, family and coaches. Same girlfriend now as when he hadn't a pot to piss in. Same coach now as when he walked in to the gym. Gave his sisters, mother and father new cars, paid their mortgages, invested in sisters business. Loyal to the same friends he had when he had nothing - the likes of Lee Dunphy now running TheMacLife for him.

Values: Hard work, effort, determination. Donated to homeless charities in the run up to Xmas on a number of years. Gave a speech on bullying and suicide prevention. Gives countless time to his fans, always accessible for selfies and autographs. Win or lose in the Octagon shows humility, shakes his opponents hand and vows to come back as a better version of himself.

I've never understand why people dislike or even hate Conor McGregor.

What we have here is a success story. A guy who had nothing but a dream and has worked tremendously hard to try achieve it. A guy who could easily have let fame go to his head, forgetting the people who helped get him to where he is now.

Would have been very easy upon hitting it big to dump Dee Devlin in favour of some B-list celeb model, dump John Kavanagh in favour of Jackson-Wink, dump SBG and move to ATT or Tristar, dump his school friends in favour of fairweather celeb mates etc.

Instead he's shown humility, pride in his surroundings, pride in his family, pride in his roots. He still acts like a normal person. I bumped into his mam about 4 weeks ago and had a pretty long chat with her and it's easy to see why he'll always remain grounded beneath the promotional nonsense.

If people want to hate him for the promotional cockiness he displays then that's a pretty lame reason to hate on someone - especially given he's in a sport where it actively pays to be promotionally astute.

If people want to hate because he flashes his wealth with his nice cars, nice watches, nice suits etc then again a pretty lame reason.

That's what we all work for. Whatever our job or career is, we work and if we work hard, rise the ladder in the office, get promotions, don't we all like to buy nicer clothes or be able to afford a nicer holiday or a nicer car, or to be able to treat our girlfriend/partner/family to nice things?

Once you strip back all the showmanship what remains is a normal working class fella who has achieved success through hard work, determination and kept going through adversity - whether it was injury or defeat, he shrugged it off and kept going.

To my mind anyway, the reason he's popular and a good role model for young people is that his message is pretty simple - knuckle down and work hard in something you love to do and if you make a success of it, ENJOY IT - and don't be ashamed to enjoy it.

I can think of worse messages to give out to young people.

I think few people Dislike Conor....its more the image that he portrays as part of the gimmick if you will

I like Conor, hes not my favourite fighter by any means but always nice to watch and does bring a bit of fun to the sport

I think another loss or two might humble his "character" a little more, after all hes been wickedly quiet since March by comparison to previous

EagererBeaver · 30-07-2016 09:56AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Choices: Gave up an apprenticeship as a plumber as his heart wasn't in it. Gave up hanging around with the wrong crowd, getting into trouble, out partying non stop to dedicate himself to Martial Arts, at a time where there was no clear viable path to fame, fortune or even a career that would pay the bills.

Character: Loyal to his friends, family and coaches. Same girlfriend now as when he hadn't a pot to piss in. Same coach now as when he walked in to the gym. Gave his sisters, mother and father new cars, paid their mortgages, invested in sisters business. Loyal to the same friends he had when he had nothing - the likes of Lee Dunphy now running TheMacLife for him.

Values: Hard work, effort, determination. Donated to homeless charities in the run up to Xmas on a number of years. Gave a speech on bullying and suicide prevention. Gives countless time to his fans, always accessible for selfies and autographs. Win or lose in the Octagon shows humility, shakes his opponents hand and vows to come back as a better version of himself.

I've never understand why people dislike or even hate Conor McGregor.

What we have here is a success story. A guy who had nothing but a dream and has worked tremendously hard to try achieve it. A guy who could easily have let fame go to his head, forgetting the people who helped get him to where he is now.

Would have been very easy upon hitting it big to dump Dee Devlin in favour of some B-list celeb model, dump John Kavanagh in favour of Jackson-Wink, dump SBG and move to ATT or Tristar, dump his school friends in favour of fairweather celeb mates etc.

Instead he's shown humility, pride in his surroundings, pride in his family, pride in his roots. He still acts like a normal person. I bumped into his mam about 4 weeks ago and had a pretty long chat with her and it's easy to see why he'll always remain grounded beneath the promotional nonsense.

If people want to hate him for the promotional cockiness he displays then that's a pretty lame reason to hate on someone - especially given he's in a sport where it actively pays to be promotionally astute.

If people want to hate because he flashes his wealth with his nice cars, nice watches, nice suits etc then again a pretty lame reason.

That's what we all work for. Whatever our job or career is, we work and if we work hard, rise the ladder in the office, get promotions, don't we all like to buy nicer clothes or be able to afford a nicer holiday or a nicer car, or to be able to treat our girlfriend/partner/family to nice things?

Once you strip back all the showmanship what remains is a normal working class fella who has achieved success through hard work, determination and kept going through adversity - whether it was injury or defeat, he shrugged it off and kept going.

To my mind anyway, the reason he's popular and a good role model for young people is that his message is pretty simple - knuckle down and work hard in something you love to do and if you make a success of it, ENJOY IT - and don't be ashamed to enjoy it.

I can think of worse messages to give out to young people.

Congratulations, you managed to specifically ignore the opening comment that said "not referring to McGregor". I've plenty of time for him in a lot of instances and little time for him in plenty of others.

The whole discussion (which you've completely failed to address in your admirable post) is whether or not it's obligatory to support someone simply because they're Irish.

Mellor · 30-07-2016 10:31AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Congratulations, you managed to specifically ignore the opening comment that said "not referring to McGregor".

So you judge people on their choices, character and values...but not McGregor.

30-07-2016 10:53AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

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If people want to hate him for the promotional cockiness he displays then that's a pretty lame reason to hate on someone - especially given he's in a sport where it actively pays to be promotionally astute.

If people want to hate because he flashes his wealth with his nice cars, nice watches, nice suits etc then again a pretty lame reason.

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Eh no, as someone who is constantly pushed in our faces, these are perfectly legitimate reasons to be sick of him.

Imagine there was some English lad going around saying the stuff McGregor was saying. You would absolutely despise him.

finglashoop · 30-07-2016 11:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eh no, as someone who is constantly pushed in our faces, these are perfectly legitimate reasons to be sick of him.

Imagine there was some English lad going around saying the stuff McGregor was saying. You would absolutely despise him.

Bisping 8 years ago

30-07-2016 11:17AM

finglashoop wrote: »

Bisping 8 years ago

I don't know who that is. I'm speaking for a casual fan's point of view.

finglashoop · 30-07-2016 11:43AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't know who that is. I'm speaking for a casual fan's point of view.

he was a dispised English man before mc Gregor

EagererBeaver · 30-07-2016 12:42PM

Mellor wrote: »

So you judge people on their choices, character and values...but not McGregor.

Again, no, you're missing the point. The discussion was around whether being Irish obliges you to support McGregor and if you don't, whether begrudgery is the only possible explanation.

My comment was referring to all people, perhaps I should have used the word "specifically". As in, "I value what people do and what choices they make, not what country they simply happened to be born in".

Dave0301 · 30-07-2016 02:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know who that is. I'm speaking for a casual fan's point of view.

You follow MMA and don't know who Michael Bisping is??

Mellor · 30-07-2016 02:13PM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Again, no, you're missing the point. The discussion was around whether being Irish obliges you to support McGregor and if you don't, whether begrudgery is the only possible explanation.

My comment was referring to all people, perhaps I should have used the word "specifically". As in, "I value what people do and what choices they make, not what country they simply happened to be born in".

I understood what you meant, I think the other poster did too. Which he why he gave you a list of character traits. His point was nothing to do with being his Irish.
I just felt that in the context of what you had just his, your discarding reply made little sense.

EagererBeaver · 30-07-2016 02:28PM

Mellor wrote: »

I understood what you meant, I think the other poster did too. Which he why he gave you a list of character traits. His point was nothing to do with being his Irish.
I just felt that in the context of what you had just his, your discarding reply made little sense.

The context was a discussion about cheering for and supporting people based on nationality, and I advocated the fact that I think that's a minor, negligible influence and the quality of the individual is much more important, at least in my view than whatever sod of turf they had the fortune or misfortune to be born on. It was not a discussion about whether or not Conor McGregor is a good, honest likeable guy or not.

That gets was met with a largely correct but simplistic and selective view of "here's a load of great things about Conor and why you should support him" that was completely irrelevant to the discussion I was engaged in as I hadn't suggested anything otherwise but somehow my post is the one that doesn't make sense???

sonofenoch · 30-07-2016 06:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Eh no, as someone who is constantly pushed in our faces, these are perfectly legitimate reasons to be sick of him.

Imagine there was some English lad going around saying the stuff McGregor was saying. You would absolutely despise him.

That's true too, he certainly wouldn't have the support in Ireland that McGregor has in England.......

jcd5971 · 30-07-2016 07:43PM

Dave0301 wrote:

You follow MMA and don't know who Michael Bisping is??

He stated he was a casual fan, nothing wrong with that. We all started somewhere

martyos121 · 30-07-2016 07:46PM

Good to see what a USADA test is like, jesus they're pure complicated and tedious.

Zero-Cool · 30-07-2016 08:16PM

I might have misheard but did he say Usada tested him the day before and it was just piss in a cup? If so, was she just testing for something different. Tested 2 days in a row is mad, him and holly both highest tested this year with 14 times.

Deadst4r · 30-07-2016 08:18PM

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I might have misheard but did he say Usada tested him the day before and it was just piss in a cup? If so, was she just testing for something different. Tested 2 days in a row is mad, him and holly both highest tested this year with 14 times.

I've a feeling he said nevada, as in the nevada state athletic commission maybe.

Depp · 31-07-2016 12:38AM

Deadst4r wrote: »

I've a feeling he said nevada, as in the nevada state athletic commission maybe.

yeah nsac testing is usually just piss

JustTheOne · 31-07-2016 01:36AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Congratulations, you managed to specifically ignore the opening comment that said "not referring to McGregor". I've plenty of time for him in a lot of instances and little time for him in plenty of others.

The whole discussion (which you've completely failed to address in your admirable post) is whether or not it's obligatory to support someone simply because they're Irish.

I'd say you're great crack at a party.

Live and let live, once someone isn't doing harm to you what's the problem.

EagererBeaver · 31-07-2016 03:31AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

I'd say you're great crack at a party.

Live and let live, once someone isn't doing harm to you what's the problem.

Wonderful, again you don't make any sort of point relevant to the discussion, so I'm not really sure what it is you're getting at. Who or what do i need to live and let live?!

cloudatlas · 31-07-2016 10:30AM

I have gone off Nate a bit after he admitted on Conan that he goes in thinking, I might get knocked out but let's see how it goes. No athlete should ever go into competition with that attitude.

31-07-2016 10:38AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I have gone off Nate a bit after he admitted on Conan that he goes in thinking, I might get knocked out but let's see how it goes. No athlete should ever go into competition with that attitude.

It works for him.

EagererBeaver · 31-07-2016 10:48AM

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

It works for him.

Thought the same myself, just a different type of psychology to use. Also, when reading it, it didn't come across as Nate literally saying he fully believes he'll get knocked out but more he openly acknowledges and confronts the very real possibility of it and once he's there, can look at improving things.

jones 19 · 31-07-2016 10:53AM

Who said mc Gregor is an irish Prince Nasseen ?

Dave0301 · 31-07-2016 04:12PM

jcd5971 wrote: »

He stated he was a casual fan, nothing wrong with that. We all started somewhere

Oh I know that, just a bit surprised that even a casual fan wouldn't know who the Middleweight champion is.

Wasn't having a go, so apologies if it came across like that!

wonderfullife · 31-07-2016 06:14PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I have gone off Nate a bit after he admitted on Conan that he goes in thinking, I might get knocked out but let's see how it goes. No athlete should ever go into competition with that attitude.

I'm not a sports psychologist by any means but i'd imagine a lot of fighters internally go through this.

As in telling themselves: "i could really get hurt, injured and embarrassed if i'm not on my A-game for this fight".

Kind of a motivational tool to focus the mind.

I'm sure, like every other fighter, he goes in fully believing he's going to win his fight. Otherwise he wouldn't make that walk.

cloudatlas · 31-07-2016 07:05PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'm not a sports psychologist by any means but i'd imagine a lot of fighters internally go through this.

As in telling themselves: "i could really get hurt, injured and embarrassed if i'm not on my A-game for this fight".

Kind of a motivational tool to focus the mind.

I'm sure, like every other fighter, he goes in fully believing he's going to win his fight. Otherwise he wouldn't make that walk.

Yes but sports people don't say those kinds of things generally, you don't hear players, athletes say that they may lose.

Saipanne · 31-07-2016 07:30PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Yes but sports people don't say those kinds of things generally, you don't hear players, athletes say that they may lose.

You've no idea what really goes on in their minds. They are human and have fears, just like you.

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