Hostage situation in French church

line console zero · 26-07-2016 09:05PM

You people are unbelievable. We are under attack daily by Extreme Muslims and you are falling over each other to criticise Christians and draw hollow, meaningless , inaccurate comparisons that serve only to distract from the problem at hand and drive a narrative wedge into any dialogue that even begins to address the SCUM that are attacking us. sick sick people.

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 09:05PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

You can't substantiate those remarks I dare say. Most professional armies don't allow that to happen.

There are more incidents like this, in Africa and who knows, where else.

French troops accused of 'forcing girls into bestiality' in CAR as rape claims mount against UN peacekeepers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/french-troops-accused-of-forcing-girls-to-have-sex-with-dog-in-car-as-rape-claims-against-un-a6961711.html

Ulysses Gaze · 26-07-2016 09:07PM

dav3 wrote: »

We can't really take the Hungarian's word for it, their perception of what their muslim population is, is way off. Maybe they're not that bright, or maybe they're easily influenced by right wing populism, although the two usually do go hand in hand.

Similar to some people on here, see more than one middle eastern or dark skinned person in their town or village on the same day = we're being overrun.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/03/daily-chart-15

http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/2016/03/blogs/graphic-detail/20160326_woc936_1.png

Perhaps they see what is happening in Western European countries such as France and the UK and just think..."No thanks".

They also have a history with Muslims that goes back centuries to the Ottoman's so perhaps that has an influence on their thinking as well?

But yes....just keep on painting those that are not blindly worshipping at the altar of the Progressive religion, Multiculturalism, as idiots and bigots.

Alive1 · 26-07-2016 09:09PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

You can't substantiate those remarks I dare say. Most professional armies don't allow that to happen.

French troops accused of 'forcing girls into bestiality' in CAR as rape claims mount against UN peacekeepers
The incident is one of a catalogue of accusations against international troops in the Central African Republic

Lizzie Dearden @lizziedearden Thursday 31 March 2016

Widdershins · 26-07-2016 09:09PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

They also have a history with Muslims that goes back centuries to the Ottoman's so perhaps that has an influence on their thinking as well?

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Correct. They aren't distanced from it unlike some posters here who don't want to understand the history .

Alive1 · 26-07-2016 09:10PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

You can't substantiate those remarks I dare say. Most professional armies don't allow that to happen.

French troops accused of 'forcing girls into bestiality' in CAR as rape claims mount against UN peacekeepers
The incident is one of a catalogue of accusations against international troops in the Central African Republic

Lizzie Dearden @lizziedearden Thursday 31 March 2016

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I can t post the link as a new user

Moo Moo Land · 26-07-2016 09:10PM

line console zero wrote: »

You people are unbelievable. We are under attack daily by Extreme Muslims and you are falling over each other to criticise Christians and draw hollow, meaningless , inaccurate comparisons that serve only to distract from the problem at hand and drive a narrative wedge into any dialogue that even begins to address the SCUM that are attacking us. sick sick people.

Who is this directed at? Who is criticising Christians and in what context?

Who is the we in "we are under attack daily"?

KingBrian2 · 26-07-2016 09:11PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

There are more incidents like this, in Africa and who knows, where else.

French troops accused of 'forcing girls into bestiality' in CAR as rape claims mount against UN peacekeepers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/french-troops-accused-of-forcing-girls-to-have-sex-with-dog-in-car-as-rape-claims-against-un-a6961711.html

That is a UN peacekeeper matter and it is for the UN to keep its troops under control. We know Central Africa is in the midst of a sectarian war and the troops are there to sort out the mess.

average hero · 26-07-2016 09:11PM

I'm really distraught over this. This, over everything has made me really question everything politically. Europe, the refugees, everything.

An elderly priest in a small town in France. The symbolism. The manner of his execution. I'm distraught.

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 09:17PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

That is a UN peacekeeper matter and it is for the UN to keep its troops under control. We know Central Africa is in the midst of a sectarian war and the troops are there to sort out the mess.

That does not, in the slightest, exonerate the French soldiers who raped those girls, nor does it diminish their crimes.

A Little Pony · 26-07-2016 09:17PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Bob24 wrote: »

Things can change fast.

No-one was considering Brexit very seriously until the result of the vote.
No-one was considering Trump a very serious contender at the Republican primary until it became obvious he had become unstoppable.

Ah now, people were certainly taking Brexit seriously prior to the result.

As it happens, the polls were wrong about Brexit, but that doesn't turn Probability Theory on its head. The French opinion polls show a strong sentiment in favour of Alain Jupp , and against Sarkozy and Le Pen.

This corresponds to most people's experiences of French politics. Jupp is a very popular politician, as well as being unambiguously right wing. This is a very rare thing in French politics, especially for a former PM; the last man to fit that bill was Jacques Chirac.

If Juppe gets the nomination, he will be the next French President. Mark my words. Feel free to requote this post in 2017 and force me to eat my hat if I am wrong. Jupp to win, Le Pen to end her career in disappointment, just like her father.

I knew Brexit would win. Socially you could tell the mood of the nation *UK*.

Ulysses Gaze · 26-07-2016 09:21PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I knew Brexit would win. Socially you could tell the mood of the nation *UK*.

The warning was at the last General Election when Labour decided to avoid the question of immigration and subsequently lost 3 to 4 million votes. Most of them to UKIP.

BorneTobyWilde · 26-07-2016 09:25PM

We all await the next attack. It's no big deal any more, makes news for a day and we move on. The people caught up in it never move on.
France is in need of cleansing, president is weak, a puppet.

Bob24 · 26-07-2016 09:26PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This corresponds to most people's experiences of French politics. Juppé is a very popular politician, as well as being unambiguously right wing.

I follow French politics and Juppé is center right. He could very well work with Valls or Macron (current prime minister and economy minister of a liberal left government). At least in terms of immigration and security related topics (which will definitely be hot topics during the campaign), he is definitely less right wing than someone like Sarkozy.

line console zero · 26-07-2016 09:26PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Who is this directed at? Who is criticising Christians and in what context?

Who is the we in "we are under attack daily"?

Your questions are meaningless because you already know the answers, you just want to drag me into some inane debate about nothing. No thanks.

K.Flyer · 26-07-2016 09:26PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Why not in Gaelic?

Because, like it or not, English is the primary language in Ireland. It is the language that the majority of infants first learn to speak and the language that most schools in the country educate through. Irish for most is beaten into them a second learned language, with it being the first language for only a minority.

After all his years living here he either couldn't be bothered to learn or use the language (I believe its the latter), because in a D.C.U. Talking Heads discussion it would appear that he understands English perfectly well by how he at times reacts and interjects as Ali Selim is translating to English for him.

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 09:27PM

Turns out, according to a Daily Mail report that one of the attackers was linked to a white French jihadi - Maxime Hauchard , a convert from Catholicism, who fought for ISIS in Syria.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708394/Two-men-armed-knives-people-hostage-French-church.html

Any idea how many white European ISIS terrorists there are who are radicalizing their countrymen?

Moo Moo Land · 26-07-2016 09:29PM

line console zero wrote: »

Your questions are meaningless because you already know the answers, you just want to drag me into some inane debate about nothing. No thanks.

You clearly did not understand the post and how any organisation or community can ignore evil within their midst. Your fault if you did not like the local example.

JPCN1 · 26-07-2016 09:32PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Who is this directed at? Who is criticising Christians and in what context?

Who is the we in "we are under attack daily"?

Christian europeans. They're running out of ones to kill in the ME.

Moo Moo Land · 26-07-2016 09:40PM

JPCN1 wrote: »

Christian europeans. They're running out of ones to kill in the ME.

I am a European atheist and consider organised religion to be a toxic influence on society.

I believe though that radical Muslims have a special hatred for atheists.

Spanish Eyes · 26-07-2016 09:44PM

average hero wrote: »

I'm really distraught over this. This, over everything has made me really question everything politically. Europe, the refugees, everything.

An elderly priest in a small town in France. The symbolism. The manner of his execution. I'm distraught.

Who remembers anything now. That is the reality..

Widdershins · 26-07-2016 09:48PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

I am a European atheist and consider organised religion to be a toxic influence on society.

I believe though that radical Muslims have a special hatred for atheists.

Yes , well , unbelievers ..:(

AlekSmart · 26-07-2016 09:49PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I cannot fathom how it can be correct?
You are suggesting that they are not concerned one iota that we are killing them, they are not fazed at all and all that they are concerned with is destroying our way of life?

It's now gone well beyond a "Suggestion",it's increasingly self-evident across the E.U.

A significant proportion are doing just what you cannot fathom,and they are becoming emboldened to do it more often and with increasing ferocity...and you are equally correct in suggesting that this significant number have little care or concern about us killing "them",for in their radical Islamic mindset,the level of destruction and suffering which they can inflict upon "us" unbelievers will repay them a thousandfold in whatever hereafter they believe in.

I fully accept that many reasonable,intelligent,educated Westerners cannot fathom such intensity of belief,but make no mistake,that level of blind hatred is well embedded across a broad swathe of modern Islam.....ignore it at your peril.

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 09:55PM

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

I am a European atheist and consider organised religion to be a toxic influence on society.

I believe though that radical Muslims have a special hatred for atheists.

Technically, the religions that will be treated best by radical Muslims are Jews and Christians, since Islam is considered by them to be the complete and universal version of the faith revealed to Moses, Jesus etc.

I live in a Muslim country and whenever you see 'interfaith' initiatives or lectures, it's always about those three religions.

Here's a quote from the fiction novel Submission, where a non-Muslim is talking to the atheist protagonist:

“For the Muslim, the real enemy—the thing they fear and hate—isn’t Catholicism. It’s secularism. It’s laicism. It’s atheist materialism. They think of Catholics as fellow believers. Catholicism is a religion of the Book. Catholics are one step away from converting to Islam—that’s the true, original Muslim view of Christianity”

anewme · 26-07-2016 09:55PM

Has anyone seen the photos of Father Jacques Hamel?

A frail 84 year old man described as "a good priest ... Who did his job to the very end"

Forced to kneel and had his throat slit by 2 scumbags filming it
I'm not religious but this had me in tears.

Father Jaques deserved better, there are too many deaths, it's time to say enough is enough.

We should not be castigated for wanting to protect ourselves from this hate filled religion.

I don't think I'm the only one saying it's time to stop making excuses, shut the borders and stop all the pc pussyfooting around.

RIP Father Jaques, I'm actually in tears over this, God bless him.

Mary63 · 26-07-2016 09:56PM

I can't understand why the French surveillance people don't pick this excuses for humanity off before they can get to the old age pensioner,the murderer in this case was nineteen..

If someone is caught while trying to get to Syria either let them go and circulate their ugly mugs everywhere so they can get back into Europe.Alternatively don't bother putting them under house arrest as this murderer was,forget about the wearing of the electronic bracelet too,just quietly put a bullet in their heads and disappear them somewhere.

Its no good telling me they are sad lonely jealous wifebeating alcoholics after they have mowed down babies with juggernauts.I don't care.

If their purpose is to hurt me or my family I am happy for the European countries to pull the trigger.

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 09:57PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

It's now gone well beyond a "Suggestion",it's increasingly self-evident across the E.U.

A significant proportion are doing just what you cannot fathom,and they are becoming emboldened to do it more often and with increasing ferocity...and you are equally correct in suggesting that this significant number have little care or concern about us killing "them",for in their radical Islamic mindset,the level of destruction and suffering which they can inflict upon "us" unbelievers will repay them a thousandfold in whatever hereafter they believe in.

I fully accept that many reasonable,intelligent,educated Westerners cannot fathom such intensity of belief,but make no mistake,that level of blind hatred is well embedded across a broad swathe of modern Islam.....ignore it at your peril.

I posted this earlier. Would like your response.

One day, in Afghanistan.
Ahmed: "Allah Akbar! The Americans killed my whole family with an airstrike."
Mohammad: "What will you do, oh Ahmed?"
Ahmed: "Never mind, it's okay."

A few days later:
Mohammad: "Hey Ahmad, you hear the Irish legalized the gay marriage?"
Ahmed: "Bloody Infidels. I will make suicide bomb against them!"

Sounds ridiculous to suggest that people will shrug off a foreign entity killing them yet be prepared to sacrifice their life to kill their citizens because of something like legalization of gay marriage.

jmayo · 26-07-2016 10:06PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Who are you claiming goes out of their way to preach against it? You cannot possibly claim to know what is preached inside even a minority of Saudi-funded mosques and Islamic centres.

As Bob24 said, Wahhabism is sufficiently extremist as to 'prime' recruits for further radicalisation, whether inside or outside the mosque. It is undoubtedly a concern if the Saudi-sponsored version of Islam is being actively preached in this country.

The man whom the US Embassy said controls Islam in Ireland is a man who believes homosexuality should be punished with lashing, and that rape victims need to be absolved from guilt.

It amazes me that people get irate about dead Irish bishops, who showed horrible lack of compassion in how they dealt with child sex-abuse scandals, and yet we are silent about ongoing hate speech being possibly advanced in our society by a man who thinks rape victims have some sort of guilt attaching to them.

And don't forget his sidekick, the darling of Montrose and the likes of the Indo and Times, the guy who refused to condemn 911 attacks and thinks irish shcools should segregate girls from boys and music shoudl be banned.

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Never heard of him. Does he appear in public much? Given he doesn't give interviews in English, what does this make him? A terrorist?
Are there any more muslim leaders in Ireland who don't speak English?

Funny how you are lecturing other people about muslims and you don't happen to know the leader of the most prominent muslim cultural centre in Ireland, the best funded one.

He is Muslim Brotherhood, you know Mr Morsi's lads who wanted to turn Egypt into a nice little islamist paradise.
Speaking of Egypt ever hear of that young lad that has been rotting away in an Egyptian jail for the last couple of years or his sisters who organise segregated protests for him in Dublin ?
They would be his kids.

KingBrian2 wrote: »

We already have a Muslim population that needs a Mosque for their community to thrive in, what we don't need is to ostracize an entire community for the actions of a few. Scant details of a flourishing Jihad movement instead we have radical preachers who are trying to recruit from anyone who is disillusioned with society. Ireland is very tolerant towards Muslims and all religions Jews, Hindu's Sikhs or whatever. Part of living in a free country.

Do we need another wahhbist sponosored centre spouting hatred of western values and telling it's members to demand sharia law?

I bet if the Westboro Baptists Church were going to sponsor a hut here the warriors would be out in force.:rolleyes:

Why not check out what other Muslim Imams like the one in Blanchardstown or the Shia leader in Miltown have to say.
Hell maybe you could join the handful of muslims who joined their protests against islamism.
The fine lads down in Clonskeagh only have protests for a young fellow rotting in jails trying to keep an islamist in power.

AlekSmart · 26-07-2016 10:07PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

I posted this earlier. Would like your response.

At the risk of repitition...a significant (and apparently increasing) number of modern radical muslims do not think as you appear to believe they do.

They areproving this,now almost on a daily basis.

It does not concern me overly,what interpretation you wish to put on your examples,all I see is the reality of a situation within Western Europe which cannot be blithely answered by such interpretations.

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 10:16PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

At the risk of repitition...a significant (and apparently increasing) number of modern radical muslims do not think as you appear to believe they do.

They areproving this,now almost on a daily basis.

It does not concern me overly,what interpretation you wish to put on your examples,all I see is the reality of a situation within Western Europe which cannot be blithely answered by such interpretations.

In all honesty you are making zero common sense.
They're are screaming, at the top of their lungs, that they will kill us if we intervene in their countries and bomb them.
Then when we do intervene and bomb and they act on their treats and fight us, according to your way of thinking they are only killing us because they don't like things like gay marriages and pre-marital sex. Despite them explicitly telling us that they are killing us for fighting them.
Now, you might convince some people about your philosophy, but I don't buy it. They don't like our way of life but they hate us intervening in their countries far more and that is the reason why they fight us.

Hostage situation in French church

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