Hostage situation in French church

26-07-2016 01:27PM

_oveless_ wrote: »

Ugh who cares what their nationality or religion is could we just not for once? Look its over now can we just put it behind us? It’s not like Christianity never did anything bad look at the crusades and Spanish exposition terrorism has no religion ugh its over now just drop it please we need to rally around the innocent Muslims who will be made to feel uncomfortable now I hope there are security operations in place around local Mosques so they arent attacked by racists.

To use your own language, 'ugh'.

Easily the most ridiculous post I've seen on boards in weeks. Of course we need to look at their nationality (the environment that formed them) and their religion (the belief system that informed them) when trying to resolve this problem.

Maybe my sarcasm detector is broken, but if this was intended to be a serious point, I am amazed. The Spanish Inquisition?? It's 2016.

KindOfIrish wrote: »

He is French national, not French. The same as children of present "Syrian refugees" will be French, German, Belgium nationals. And they will be murdering, bombing etc European natives.

Is Sadiq Khan not a British man? is Sajid Javid M.P. not a British man?

Of course they are. I can almost see the disappointment in some users' faces that this attacker was a Frenchman, and not a refugee.

FalconGirl wrote: »

He should have been sent with a one way ticket to Syria with no way back.

So you think we should be exporting our terrorists to Syria? Why? The Syrian Government doesn't want them any more than we do. These guys are our citizens and our problem.

Sofiztikated · 26-07-2016 01:27PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

It almost makes you want to immigrate to a country that is as far away from Islam as possible. Japan perhaps would be a good place.

Indonesia, China, Phillipines, all have significant muslim populations.

Try the Easter Island.

Dyr · 26-07-2016 01:28PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Well that's going to **** on the "Deport em all back to Syria" crowd. He was French, trying to get to Syria, and got deported back to France.

The obvious answer is to give him his wish..hand the prick over to assads forces in Syria.

Bubbaclaus · 26-07-2016 01:31PM

ISOP wrote: »

Europe is a very dangerous place now

It's doesn't matter how many times you post it ISOP, it's not going to be true.

Europe is pretty much as safe as it always has. Given the population of over half a billion the number of deaths due to terrorism recently is statistically irrelevant.

You are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to your local shop to buy milk.

dav3 · 26-07-2016 01:32PM

ISOP wrote: »

Europe is a very dangerous place now

Not really. You should try telling that to someone who was alive during World War 2 so they can laugh in your face.

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 01:32PM

Johngoose wrote: »

I find it amazing the lack of empathy for the hostages in this thread.Political correctness is gone mad,it's like you can't mention that a Muslim individual has done anything bad anymore. Maybe police should just give terrorists a "warning" not to kill somebody again,if they are caught in the act.

What are you suggesting?

Maybe we should 'pray' for them? Maybe we should all type 'thoughts and prayers with the victims and their families'?

Is that the kind of thing you had in mind?

getzls · 26-07-2016 01:37PM

_oveless_ wrote: »

Ugh who cares what their nationality or religion is could we just not for once? Look its over now can we just put it behind us? It s not like Christianity never did anything bad.

The Crusades were made to counter Islamic terror.
Christianity has evolved and moved on.
Islam has not.

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 01:37PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

It's doesn't matter how many times you post it ISOP, it's not going to be true.

Europe is pretty much as safe as it always has. Given the population of over half a billion the number of deaths due to terrorism recently is statistically irrelevant.

You are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to your local shop to buy milk.

Seeing more of this stupid argument every day.

Bubbaclaus, should accept the status quo of daily terrorist attacks in Europe - yes or no?

RustyNut · 26-07-2016 01:39PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Seeing more of this stupid argument every day.

Bubbaclaus, should accept the status quo of daily terrorist attacks in Europe - yes or no?

Are you saying you are more likely to die in a terrorist attack than a traffic accident?

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 01:40PM

dav3 wrote: »

Not really. You should try telling that to someone who was alive during World War 2 so they can laugh in your face.

Danger is always relative. The continent is suffering from an unprecedented wave of terror attacks in our lifetime. It'll be more dangerous next year with Le Pen and Wilders in power.

Dyr · 26-07-2016 01:40PM

dav3 wrote: »

Not really. You should try telling that to someone who was alive during World War 2 so they can laugh in your face.

If they were alive through world war 2 they'd probably be aware of the dangers of ignoring fascism as it grows

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 01:40PM

RustyNut wrote: »

Are you saying you are more likely to die in a terrorist attack than a traffic accident?

I'll answer yours after you answer mine.

Bubbaclaus · 26-07-2016 01:41PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Seeing more of this stupid argument every day.

Bubbaclaus, should accept the status quo of daily terrorist attacks in Europe - yes or no?

What argument? Im just using probability. You cant argue with mathematics.

I am responding to the suggestion Europe is a very dangerous place now. It isn't.

Saipanne · 26-07-2016 01:41PM

RustyNut wrote: »

Are you saying you are more likely to die in a terrorist attack than a traffic accident?

He isn't, but it's clearly a pathetic attempt to deflect attention.

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 01:43PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What argument? Im just using probability. You cant argue with mathematics.

I am responding to the suggestion Europe is a very dangerous place now. It isn't.

Should we accept the status quo of daily terrorist attacks in Europe - yes or no? Should we try anything or accept that it's a tiny number compared to road deaths and leave it things as they are?

HensVassal · 26-07-2016 01:44PM

I'm still curious as to why nobody finds it strange that the killer shouted "Daesh"

ISIS consider the term "Daesh" to be a major insult to the point of threatening to cut out the tongues of those who use it.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/why-isis-hate-being-called-daesh-whats-correct-name-worlds-most-dangerous-terrorists-1531506

So if ISIS hate this term so much and would cut out the tongues of those who use it, why would an (alleged) ISIS operative shout it before killing the priest?

A Primal Nut · 26-07-2016 01:44PM

_oveless_ wrote: »

Ugh who cares what their nationality or religion is could we just not for once? Look its over now can we just put it behind us? It’s not like Christianity never did anything bad look at the crusades and Spanish exposition terrorism has no religion ugh its over now just drop it please we need to rally around the innocent Muslims who will be made to feel uncomfortable now I hope there are security operations in place around local Mosques so they arent attacked by racists.

It was a church that was attacked, not a mosque. The security operations need to be around other churches.

Bubbaclaus · 26-07-2016 01:45PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Should we accept the status quo of daily terrorist attacks in Europe - yes or no? Should we try anything or accept that it's a tiny number compared to road deaths and leave it things as they are?

Not sure how that ties into my post and what I was responding to?

RustyNut · 26-07-2016 01:45PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

I'll answer yours after you answer mine.

Your question is based on a false premise.

dav3 · 26-07-2016 01:45PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Seeing more of this stupid argument every day.

Bubbaclaus, should accept the status quo of daily terrorist attacks in Europe - yes or no?

We're Irish, we all know about living with the threat of daily terrorist attacks. If you want to whip up hysteria, head off to one of the far right forums, they'll be only too happy to have you.

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 01:46PM

HensVassal wrote: »

I'm still curious as to why nobody finds it strange that the killer shouted "Daesh"

ISIS consider the term "Daesh" to be a major insult to the point of threatening to cut out the tongues of those who use it.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/why-isis-hate-being-called-daesh-whats-correct-name-worlds-most-dangerous-terrorists-1531506

So if ISIS hate this term so much and would cut out the tongues of those who use it, why would an (alleged) ISIS operative shout it before killing the priest?

Probably uninformed ISIS fanboys, who ISIS are now claiming for themselves. The whole 'Daesh is a huge insult' line is a politically correct misinformation campaign by progressives to make use a term that doesn't involve 'Islamic'.

Duggy747 · 26-07-2016 01:48PM

HensVassal wrote: »

So if ISIS hate this term so much and would cut out the tongues of those who use it, why would an (alleged) ISIS operative shout it before killing the priest?

A lot of these people just claim allegiance to ISIS like a random hacker would to Anonymous, they also have done things that ISIS would've killed them for like drinking / eating pork / drugs / etc.

Those 2 killed a priest and caused a stir in the news so ISIS will have no problem claiming the attack. They're not the most consistent of folk when it comes to details.

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 01:48PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Not sure how that ties into my post and what I was responding to?

Oh ffs, I give up. It ties into your deflection attempt, in which you're trying to suggest this isn't an issue considering the comparative number of road deaths.

Bubbaclaus · 26-07-2016 01:51PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Oh ffs, I give up. It ties into your deflection attempt, in which you're trying to suggest this isn't an issue considering the comparative number of road deaths.

What was I deflecting? I was merely dismissing the repeated notion from the poster I was responding to that Europe is now extremely dangerous and that you would have to have to be nuts to go on a trip there.

The chances of dying while on a trip to Europe have not changed in any statistically relevant manner.

beach_walker · 26-07-2016 01:52PM

Johngoose wrote: »

I find it amazing the lack of empathy for the hostages in this thread.

Simply put, it's because they're Catholics/clergy and were in a church.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Has the Pope vowed revenge?

The Archbishop of Rouen, Dominique Lebrun, who was attending a Catholic gathering in Poland, said: "I cry out to God with all men of goodwill. I would invite non-believers to join in the cry.

"The Catholic Church cannot take weapons other than those of prayer and brotherhood among men."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785

A Little Pony · 26-07-2016 01:54PM

People using the car crash argument is beyond belief. These terrorists force it upon you. No one forces anyone to get into a car. It is the most daft argument possible.

A Primal Nut · 26-07-2016 01:55PM

Europe is at war.

unseenfootage · 26-07-2016 01:55PM

beach_walker wrote: »

Simply put, it's because they're Catholics/clergy and were in a church.

Its not that.
People are more interested in pursuing their agendas, then to #prayforfrance, #prayforgermany, #prayfor________

speedboatchase · 26-07-2016 01:56PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What was I deflecting? I was merely dismissing the repeated notion from the poster I was responding to that Europe is now extremely dangerous and that you would have to have to be nuts to go on a trip there.

The chances of dying while on a trip to Europe have not changed in any statistically relevant manner.

I don't think Europe is extremely dangerous nor would I be averse to travelling to Germany and France. I'm saying though that the majority of posters here are tired of what is now becoming daily terror attacks in continental Europe from Islamic extremists. People want solutions, rather than the usual routine of writing 'JeSuis...' and changing their Facebook avatar.

Everyone knows that the chances of dying on the road or getting cancer etc are far, far higher than by an IS member or IS fanboy. But that doesn't mean they should just accept the status quo, especially when it's becoming deadlier day by day.

Dyr · 26-07-2016 01:56PM

We have those brave sons of odin on patrol as well

Hostage situation in French church

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