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Hostage situation in French church

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  • #212
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Musketeer4 wrote: »
    If the freedom of a minority has to be curtailed for a few years to safegaurd the security of the majority, I can live with that.

    Sounds a bit like Northern Ireland 50 years ago


  • #213
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Well from what I understand in this case the poster was basically saying in a fairly harsh way they would refuse asylum for any applicant from the middle-east.

    You can disagree with that (I do), but are you really saying it is indeed worth a comparison to Hitler or gas chambers?
    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Probably pertains to not importing a million into the EU without any checks of any kind..... but you will take from it what you will.

    Your faux outrage isn't working & it won't escape readers that your phoney outrage doesn't seem to extend to the perps who murdered a priest and slit another's throat!
    timmyntc wrote: »
    If you know that even one of the biscuits is poisonous, its safer to bin them all so as not to kill yourself by eating a poison biscuit.
    Similarly, If you know that even one of the however many refugees trying to enter the country are going to kill innocent people, its safer to not take any into the country.

    Assuming the poster means genocide is just absurd. It's leaping to massive assumptions because that's what you want to see.
    Or maybe yknow, I'm wrong and you are right - he is actually literally Adolf Hitler and he wants to rev up the gas chambers again! :rolleyes:

    And disposing of something as waste is not an obvious analogy for the closing of borders. It would make more sense for it to refer to genocide (the "disposal" of many people).
    Now I do actually believe that the poster doesn't condone the slaughter of refugees en masse, but his rhetoric is either poorly chosen or deliberately inflammatory.

    And it's talk like that, and this...
    Saipanne wrote: »
    Exactly. Fcuk them.

    ...that makes fascism. Hitler was a monster but he couldn't do it alone. He needed the support of the people and he did this by dehumanising the Jews and other groups he wanted rid of in the eyes of ordinary people.
    So when I see ordinary people dehumanising large groups of people, the majority of whom are suffering in ways we couldn't imagine, I think Nazis.
    Musketeer4 wrote: »
    Reports on social media that the attacked had uploaded footage to liveleak. I can't locate it yet.

    Would you want to watch it?

    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Europe is turning into an utter sh!t hole due to the huge influx of Islamic followers who follow an ideology which is completely against Western values which includes freedom of speech and freedom of expression. Not to mention the hatred that ideology has for women's rights.

    A civil armed war is coming if this keeps up, it is just a matter of time before an armed group is created by citizens.

    *looks outside window*

    Apart from a few potholes it looks ok around here.

    Do we even know that the culprits of this act were refugees, by the way.


  • #214
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Stopping the immigration will lead to large camps of refugees stuck in countries that can't provide them with any sort of perspective or future - no jobs, no education, no adequate housing, difficult access to health care, etc.

    We've sort of done this little experiment before, with Palestinians who fled to Lebanon in the 1940s and are stuck there to this day. I propose that this approach is not going to do anything to help make the region any more stable, and unless it becomes stable it will remain a threat to us in Europe.

    Ah Lebanon, once a Christian nation reffered to as the Paris of the East, look at it now. So your solution is for Europe to become Lebanon?


  • #215
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Moo Moo Land wrote: »
    Yeah yeah I know, you want all 18-30 year old Islamic males interned.
    I can see no possible drawback in that plan. :)
    I think it is a good idea. Don't delay implementation.


  • #216
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    All terrorist acts are just awful, but honestly, there is something particularly barbaric when young fit men attack vulnerable elderly people in their place of worship.

    Totally sickened by all of it.


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  • #217
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Attack in Berlin according to CNN.


  • #218
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    The presenter on CNN looked close to tears, his stint has finished now.


  • #219
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    BREAKING:
    Attacker committed terrorists attack in the name of ISIS. Is a French Citizen
    Was previously deported from Turkey back to France after trying to reach Syria.
    Wore ankle bracelet after spending time in prison.

    http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/121055-160726-reports-that-two-armed-men-have-taken-hostages-in-french-church


  • #220
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    unseenfootage wrote: »
    BREAKING:
    Attacker committed terrorists attack in the name of ISIS. Is a French Citizen
    Was previously deported from Turkey back to France after trying to reach Syria.
    Wore ankle bracelet after spending time in prison.

    http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/121055-160726-reports-that-two-armed-men-have-taken-hostages-in-french-church

    So he was deported back to France. The irony.


  • #221
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    unseenfootage wrote: »
    BREAKING:
    Attacker committed terrorists attack in the name of ISIS. Is a French Citizen
    Was previously deported from Turkey back to France after trying to reach Syria.
    Wore ankle bracelet after spending time in prison.

    http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/121055-160726-reports-that-two-armed-men-have-taken-hostages-in-french-church

    Well that's going to **** on the "Deport em all back to Syria" crowd. He was French, trying to get to Syria, and got deported back to France.


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  • #222
    _oveless_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭_oveless_


    Ugh who cares what their nationality or religion is could we just not for once? Look its over now can we just put it behind us? It’s not like Christianity never did anything bad look at the crusades and Spanish exposition terrorism has no religion ugh its over now just drop it please we need to rally around the innocent Muslims who will be made to feel uncomfortable now I hope there are security operations in place around local Mosques so they arent attacked by racists.


  • #223
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    unseenfootage wrote: »
    BREAKING:
    Attacker committed terrorists attack in the name of ISIS. Is a French Citizen
    Was previously deported from Turkey back to France after trying to reach Syria.
    Wore ankle bracelet after spending time in prison.

    http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/121055-160726-reports-that-two-armed-men-have-taken-hostages-in-french-church

    How was he not still in prison?


  • #224
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    BREAKING: Berlin. Doctor shot to death by patient who turns gun on himself.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/berlin-hospital-shooting-shots-fired-8495680


  • #225
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭storker


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Apart from a few potholes it looks ok around here.

    The local authorities' terror campaign against cars never stops either...

    :)


  • #226
    KindOfIrish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Well that's going to **** on the "Deport em all back to Syria" crowd. He was French, trying to get to Syria, and got deported back to France.

    He is French national, not French. The same as children of present "Syrian refugees" will be French, German, Belgium nationals. And they will be murdering, bombing etc European natives.


  • #227
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    https://twitter.com/cfr_franciscans/status/757910285751455744

    RIP

    Hope the nun can survive her life threatening injuries.


  • #228
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    The King of Moo wrote: »

    And disposing of something as waste is not an obvious analogy for the closing of borders. It would make more sense for it to refer to genocide (the "disposal" of many people).
    Now I do actually believe that the poster doesn't condone the slaughter of refugees en masse, but his rhetoric is either poorly chosen or deliberately inflammatory.

    Yes to summarise he expressed his support for a very tough stand on how to handle the refugee crisis in a harsh way which was misunderstood by some (but it is now clear he was not condemning organising a genicide)

    But back to why triggered this discussion: some posters argued what you described justifies comparing the poster to Hitler and saying he is suggesting to start the gas chambers.

    Now that we agree he didn't actually suggest carrying out a genocide can we also agree the comparison to the nazis is inappropriate, and move on?

    Saying this type of comparison is inappropriate doesn't mean agreeing with him, just refusing non-constructive argumentation.


  • #229
    FalconGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭FalconGirl


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Well that's going to **** on the "Deport em all back to Syria" crowd. He was French, trying to get to Syria, and got deported back to France.

    He should have been sent with a one way ticket to Syria with no way back. Yet Fraud Merkel had opened the doors to these types to let them back in undocumented and ready to cause damage.


  • #230
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    Not. Our. Problem.

    If they want to apply for asylum, they should do so at offshore processing centres. Australia's coping fine.

    It's not our problem until it will be our problem.
    Leaving it for the next generation to solve is selfish.


  • #231
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    It almost makes you want to immigrate to a country that is as far away from Islam as possible. Japan perhaps would be a good place.


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  • #232
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Shenshen wrote: »
    It's not our problem until it will be our problem.
    Leaving it for the next generation to solve is selfish.

    Importing these refugees IS leaving the problem for the next generation to solve.


  • #233
    Moo Moo Land
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    ...that makes fascism. Hitler was a monster but he couldn't do it alone. He needed the support of the people and he did this by dehumanising the Jews and other groups he wanted rid of in the eyes of ordinary people.
    So when I see ordinary people dehumanising large groups of people, the majority of whom are suffering in ways we couldn't imagine, I think Nazis.

    Great point. We're making great progress dehumanising 1.6 billion people.


  • #234
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Shenshen wrote: »
    It's not our problem until it will be our problem.
    Leaving it for the next generation to solve is selfish.

    As I said, offshore processing. If they can't set foot on our shores, it's not our problem.


  • #235
    Moo Moo Land
    Closed Accounts Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Moo Moo Land


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It almost makes you want to immigrate to a country that is as far away from Islam as possible. Japan perhaps would be a good place.

    WUM.


  • #236
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack : http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2016/07/26/97001-20160726FILWWW00156-en-direct-l-etat-islamique-revendique-l-attentat-de-saint-etienne-du-rouvray.php


  • #237
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Moo Moo Land wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It almost makes you want to immigrate to a country that is as far away from Islam as possible. Japan perhaps would be a good place.

    WUM.
    No, I am serious. New Zealand is another one.


  • #238
    ISOP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭ISOP


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It almost makes you want to immigrate to a country that is as far away from Islam as possible. Japan perhaps would be a good place.
    Europe is a very dangerous place now


  • #239
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    It almost makes you want to immigrate to a country that is as far away from Islam as possible. Japan perhaps would be a good place.

    98.5% Japanese and fourth largest economy in the world. Don't see the usual self-loathing 'we MUST accept diversity from all over' mentality that plagues Western countries. Don't see suicide bombers either.


  • #240
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I sure hope that the Clonskeagh Mosque is under surveillance.

    Cue.... WHY?

    Well why not, given all that's going on at the moment.

    Anyone know where they get their funding? I think it's either from Qatar or Saudi.

    Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. We are afraid to ask.

    But I'm sure our Secret Service has it all sorted.


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  • #241
    irish bloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    Letree wrote: »
    No lets create a safe zone out in the middle east and protect them there until the war is over. There was no need to move all those people to Europe.

    What about Spike Island??


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