Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 07:15PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Off you go then. The United Nations states that 21% of Syrian refugees are adult males as opposed to your assertion that the vast majority are. I would give "vast majority" as conservatively above 55-60%. Why are you avoiding that?

In Europe, over 800,000 migrants have traveled to Europe by sea in 2015, according to the United Nations refugee agency, and a little over half have come from Syria. About 62% of all migrants that have traveled to Europe this year, however, are men. A little under a quarter, 22%, are children and only 16% are women. The New York Times reported in October the mass exodus of men to parts of Europe could cause problems in both the countries they leave and the countries they enter. The head of the International Organization for Migration in Turkey told the Times: “We know on the positive side that migration can boost economies and trade and lead to cultural exchange … But if it is mismanaged, it becomes a problem for both the receiving states and the countries left behind.”

The above is a quote from a UN representative. Please reference where you're getting your statistics from.

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 07:18PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

oh.

I could swear that you said he split the moon in half on a winged horse, bruh...
kewl story tho...

This is the problem in this and threads like it, you argued a point against a post, but when it's poster referenced the direct quote and passage in the Koran, instead of finding some maturity and accept that you were wrong, you attempt another sly dig. Seriously, can you not recognise your childishness? That an adult would behave in such a way is tragic.

Stigura · 25-07-2016 07:20PM

Gatling wrote: »

More chance of people eating hats before Merkel resigns

Certainly seems that way.

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 07:20PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Can you please make ironic feminist jazz-hands in future? cos you are "triggering" me anxiety

I do love jazz hands, will do.

Gatling · 25-07-2016 07:22PM

Stigura wrote: »

Certainly seems that way.

Absolutely and we even had offers to do so

Stigura · 25-07-2016 07:23PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

No.

And all power to ye god given right to say that! No one's gonna cut ye head off

I like that.

25-07-2016 07:27PM

anon71 wrote: »

Today in my local TK Maxx a man came in, my antenna went off and I nearly had a panic attack looking to see where my husband was. Purely because of his dress, skin colour and general demeanour.
Mind you it occurred to me afterwards that my first instinct was to get away and screw everyone else. Not too sure how I would have felt had something happened.

I'm a middle aged woman. I've always considered myself to be a sensible person, not concerned with someone's skin colour or religion.

But I'm scared. And people can say I'm being hysterical and that nothing will happen here. Fact is, no-one knows that.

I have had similar feelings. I was in France around the 13th November (here comes my Katherine Thomas moment...) and I genuinely felt nervousness around people dressed in Islamic clothing. But what separates us from animals is that we aren't slaves to our instincts, and are capable of reasoning with ourselves.

I often passed by a man in an Islamic skull-cap on the metro and suddenly had an idea to whatsapp a family member in case it was my last text. Totally paranoid! And I'm not a racist, just like you're not.

We all have these instincts, and it's okay to have them,. But we have to have a word with ourselves and remind ourselves that these attacks are incredibly rare. You're probably more likely to die in a car accident whilst thinking about terrorism than you are to die at the hands of a terrorist.

You don't waste much time obsessing about dying in a car crash, I hope. So the next time you see a guy who's obviously a Muslim, just remember you're in less danger than you were the last time you sat in traffic, or mounted a ladder.

Stigura · 25-07-2016 07:33PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Have a look at Peter Sutherlands musings. It is not an economic decision, it is social engineering. In his mind if European nations are sufficiently diluted and destabilised there will a lot less cohesion to oppose the federal corporate superstate that they have been talking about for years.

Fcuk me!!! For a moment there, I thought I'd never be able to watch " Invasion of the Body Snatchers " again!

I got that wrong. Didn't I? :pac:

HensVassal · 25-07-2016 07:55PM

Bambi wrote: »

This really is some impressive level of wriggling, who was on about the hijab?

The ninja get up is the issue, as well you know. Frankly the opinion of the wearer is irrelevant.

But you previously stated, or some did, that Muslim were forced to wear these garments against their will. I illustrated that the wearing of the hijab is a personal choice among Muslim women.
And for what it's worth, the immature quips about ninja costumes and bin liner costumes make you sound a bit stupid.

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 08:01PM

HensVassal wrote: »

And for what it's worth, the immature quips about ninja costumes and bin liner costumes make you sound a bit stupid.

Sorry Bambi, I'd consider this statement as truth, after all, HensVassal is the recognised authority in stupid.

conorhal · 25-07-2016 08:06PM

HensVassal wrote: »

But you previously stated, or some did, that Muslim were forced to wear these garments against their will. I illustrated that the wearing of the hijab is a personal choice among Muslim women.
And for what it's worth, the immature quips about ninja costumes and bin liner costumes make you sound a bit stupid.

Are you aware that most women that undergo FGM have it perpetrated upon them by women at the behest of women? It's amazing the 'choices' you make when you're brainwashed from birth to accept subservience.
Then there are the likes of Channel 4 reporter Fatima Manji who never wore a hijab, until recently, for whom it is a political decision. There's a lot of that going on too, a clear message of a rejection of Western values. Why else would you choose to wear desert clothes in a place like Dublin?

25-07-2016 08:11PM

HensVassal wrote: »

And for what it's worth, the immature quips about ninja costumes and bin liner costumes make you sound a bit stupid.

Really?

'Ninja style' is a far more meaningful expression to most people than the rather sedate 'classical niqab'.

We're still allowed to have fun with language, are we not?

Lightly poking fun at religion is emblematic of our liberty. If a grown adult is going to speak to men with her face covered in case we might seduce her, at least allow us the courtesy of lightly mocking such a daft notion.

We owe a basic level of decency to our fellow humans, until such time as they fail to reciprocate that respect. But under no circumstances is any belief system automatically afforded freedom from satire, be that Capitalism, Socialism, Christianity, or Islam.

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 08:12PM

conorhal wrote: »

Are you aware that most women that undergo FGM have it perpetrated upon them by women at the behest of women? It's amazing the 'choices' you make when you're brainwashed from birth to accept subservience.
Then there are the likes of Channel 4 reporter Fatima Manji who never wore a hijab, until recently, for whom it is a political decision. There's a lot of that going on too, a clear message of a rejection of Western values. Why else would you choose to wear desert clothes in a place like Dublin?

lol....You won't hear an Irish lad complain about Irish girls wearing Hot country skimpy dresses in Island during the cold months now, would ya?

KERSPLAT! · 25-07-2016 08:18PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Sorry Bambi, I'd consider this statement as truth, after all, HensVassal is the recognised authority in stupid.

Mod

Don't post in this thread again, cheers.

foggy_lad · 25-07-2016 08:29PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

In Europe, over 800,000 migrants have traveled to Europe by sea in 2015, according to the United Nations refugee agency, and a little over half have come from Syria. About 62% of all migrants that have traveled to Europe this year, however, are men. A little under a quarter, 22%, are children and only 16% are women. The New York Times reported in October the mass exodus of men to parts of Europe could cause problems in both the countries they leave and the countries they enter. The head of the International Organization for Migration in Turkey told the Times: “We know on the positive side that migration can boost economies and trade and lead to cultural exchange … But if it is mismanaged, it becomes a problem for both the receiving states and the countries left behind.”

The above is a quote from a UN representative. Please reference where you're getting your statistics from.

A little over half have CLAIMED to be Syrian when in reality only a small number are Syrian and the rest may never be properly identified without DNA profiling.

Europe has no control over who crosses the borders at the moment and these types of attacks will continue and get worse until it is taken under Kontrol and order is restored.

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 08:35PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

A little over half have CLAIMED to be Syrian when in reality only a small number are Syrian and the rest may never be properly identified without DNA profiling.

There are thousands of Iraqi Shia Militia as well pro Assad Alewite militia from Syria and Kurd ish militia that came in.

These people although militant do not pose a threat to Europe as the sunnis do since Muslim violence against the West is mostly restricted to Sunnis. The opposite is true as well. Western Violence against Muslims is mostly against Sunnis.

The point is that the shia/kurds are no real threat for Europe.

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 08:36PM

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Mod

Don't post in this thread again, cheers.

Hang on a beat, so HensVassal can clearly state another poster looks stupid, but I'm the one who receives an infraction for calling him out on same?

Yes I'm fully aware of the repursion I now face for calling out your hypocrisy, I'll just have to take it on the chin.

foggy_lad · 25-07-2016 08:38PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

There are thousands of Iraqi Shia Militia as well pro Assad Alewite militia from Syria and Kurd ish militia that came in.

These people although militant do not pose a threat to Europe as the sunnis do since Muslim violence against the West is mostly restricted to Sunnis. The opposite is true as well. Western Violence against Muslims is mostly against Sunnis.

The point is that the shia/kurds are no real threat for Europe.

If large enough groups of these warring groups are allowed into an area they will just continue to blow themselves up as they have done for thousands of years.

Jimmy Garlic · 25-07-2016 08:39PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Really?

'Ninja style' is a far more meaningful expression to most people than the rather sedate 'classical niqab'.

We're still allowed to have fun with language, are we not?

Lightly poking fun at religion is emblematic of our liberty. If a grown adult is going to speak to men with her face covered in case we might seduce her, at least allow us the courtesy of lightly mocking such a daft notion.

We owe a basic level of decency to our fellow humans, until such time as they fail to reciprocate that respect. But under no circumstances is any belief system automatically afforded freedom from satire, be that Capitalism, Socialism, Christianity, or Islam.

As women are clearly considered inferior beings that need men to control every aspect of their lives by Islam the thinking is that they have to be wrapped up because they are mentally challenged and can't control themselves.

Hadith
The Prophet said, "Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind."

Quran
''Men are managers of the affairs of women because Allah has made the one superior to the other. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 329)''

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 08:41PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

If large enough groups of these warring groups are allowed into an area they will just continue to blow themselves up as they have done for thousands of years.

Shia don't generally blow themselves up.
Kurds do that in Turkey.
Check your timeline. Suicide bombing is a 20th century phenomenon.

Gatling · 25-07-2016 08:41PM

Think a 1400 year old book needs a little updating

25-07-2016 08:48PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

If large enough groups of these warring groups are allowed into an area they will just continue to blow themselves up as they have done for thousands of years.

Dynamite was only discovered in the 19th century.

There were some primitive explosives like gunpowder and nitroglycerine, but there's no record of Muslims using them on suicide missions.

What are you referring to, then?

Throughout the 20th century, I can think of about 40 deaths by Islamic terrorism in Western Europe, despite millions of Muslims coming here in massive waves of migration. This pales in comparison to terrorism at the hands of Irishmen.

Large scale terrorism only began here in 2004, after the war in Iraq.

And even today, Irishmen have contributed more mortalities to Western European terrorism, despite being vastly outnumbered by Muslims and Muslim immigrants in the region.

KERSPLAT! · 25-07-2016 08:50PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Hang on a beat, so HensVassal can clearly state another poster looks stupid, but I'm the one who receives an infraction for calling him out on same?

Yes I'm fully aware of the repursion I now face for calling out your hypocrisy, I'll just have to take it on the chin.

Report the posts and they'll be looked into.

Please don't reply to this, if you have further issues you can PM me.

Thanks.

foggy_lad · 25-07-2016 09:07PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Shia don't generally blow themselves up.
Kurds do that in Turkey.
Check your timeline. Suicide bombing is a 20th century phenomenon.

Doh' one side blowing the other up, the warring cults continuing their blood feuds in the countries they claim to be seeking sanctuary in!

Also the Irish Media have been well coached by the germans, they are claiming that this loon only blew himself up because he was facing extradition!

His latest asylum claim was rejected over a year ago and he was in no danger of deportation! All he had to do was get a fake ID and go underground working in the "black economy".

A Little Pony · 25-07-2016 09:08PM

Does anyone fully buy into the Munich story of the 18 year old being able to hold off 2k police and murdering 8 people with a single pistol while having no training? The whole thing stinks. Must have had help.

Venom · 25-07-2016 09:11PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Doh' one side blowing the other up, the warring cults continuing their blood feuds in the countries they claim to be seeking sanctuary in!

Also the Irish Media have been well coached by the germans, they are claiming that this loon only blew himself up because he was facing extradition!

His latest asylum claim was rejected over a year ago and he was in no danger of deportation! All he had to do was get a fake ID and go underground working in the "black economy".

No need for the harsh buzz about the media man. Sure who hasn't ever found themselves trying to get into a gig without a ticket and a backpack full of explosives :rolleyes:

Gatling · 25-07-2016 09:12PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Does anyone fully buy into the Munich story of the 18 year old being able to hold off 2k police and murdering 8 people with a single pistol while having no training? The whole thing stinks. Must have had help.

,doesnt take any special training, killed 8 pistol used holds 17 9mm and had apparently 300 9mm rounds sound ,
Anyone with any type of basic pistol training in would have killed lot more.

Didn't hold off 2000 police either by all accounts he went to a park and committed suicide,

You make it out like he single handed fought and held off better trained and better police and security forces

Venom · 25-07-2016 09:14PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Does anyone fully buy into the Munich story of the 18 year old being able to hold off 2k police and murdering 8 people with a single pistol while having no training? The whole thing stinks. Must have had help.

He must have played the hell out of those Call of Duty games :pac: Thank fcuk he wasn't old enough to get his hands on GTA5!

A Little Pony · 25-07-2016 09:18PM

Gatling wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Does anyone fully buy into the Munich story of the 18 year old being able to hold off 2k police and murdering 8 people with a single pistol while having no training? The whole thing stinks. Must have had help.

,doesnt take any special training, killed 8 pistol used holds 17 9mm and had apparently 300 9mm rounds sound ,
Anyone with any type of basic pistol training in would have killed lot more.

Didn't hold off 2000 police either by all accounts he went to a park and committed suicide,

You make it out like he single handed fought and held off better trained and better police and security forces

Listened to some military people today on radio who would doubt he could have done that.

Samaris · 25-07-2016 09:20PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Does anyone fully buy into the Munich story of the 18 year old being able to hold off 2k police and murdering 8 people with a single pistol while having no training? The whole thing stinks. Must have had help.

Yeah, I can buy it. Look at it this way; he'd been apparently planning and obsessing over this for about a year. Likely he talked it over, whether "hypothetically" or not with this sixteen-year-old too. He knew what he was doing, he had probably decided where he was going to make his escape to, and he did.

Meanwhile, first there's the delay until the police can be alerted and information can be passed on - no-one else knew what was going on, there were reports coming in of shootings in several places, the understandable automatic thought was "terrorist attack", which may or may not have meant the police were focusing their attention on the most likely places for him to go - where there were large numbers of people to attack - when what he was aiming for was shooting teenagers specifically, particularly those he'd targeted and tried to lure there with the Facebook post.

The call in that there was shooting in the city centre was very unfortunate; it drew attention away from where he actually was, and it was a plausible story, taking into account the "usual" way terrorists act (see "aiming for large number of people" above). And no-one would expect a spree shooter (and particularly not a terrorist of the type expected!) to spend several minutes getting into a row with some guy on a balcony either.

That he killed eight unsuspecting people with a pistol by opening fire on them in a busy McDonalds is hardly surprising. He got..well, "lucky", or rather, they were very unlucky, because who the hell expects to be shot at in a McDonalds?

No, sadly, it is not surprising. It is always more shocking in retrospect that X got away with Y, but look at the Cumbria shootings. Or Columbine, or Sandy Hook or any of the rest. No-one ever expects it to happen to them, and there will always be a period of confusion when first responders are trying to work out what, where and how to stop it.

It's not like he was holding off 2k police with a pistol. He ran away from 2k police while they were still deploying and trying to ascertain how many shootings there actually had been.

Edit: I could have sworn I was in the Munich shooting thread. >.> Any chance of our all keeping the two topics semi-separate?

Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

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