Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

A Little Pony · 25-07-2016 05:41PM

Polo_Mint wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Believing Muhammad flew to heaven on a f*cking horse doesn't make them eejits? Everything about Islam is stupid.

Do you think the bible is true?

No.

Polo_Mint · 25-07-2016 05:43PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

No.

Fair enough

jmayo · 25-07-2016 05:54PM

HensVassal wrote: »

And where is your proof that the "vast bulk" of the migrants are young men? Some bullshit propaganda editorial on Fox News designed to stoke up the calls of "deport the lot of 'em!" ?

Because according to the UN figures, women outnumber men in the Syrian refugee demographic. Not only that but young males aged 12-17, you know BOYS, make up 6.3% of the refugees. The majority of the refugees 51.1% are under the age of 17....kids, and 38.% are under the age of 12.

Males aged 18-59 make up 21.5% of the refugees. Since I doubt anyone would class guys in their 50's as being "fighting fit" the percentage of males age 18 to say 45 is probably in the 13-14% ranges.

First off migrants or "refugees" that arrived in European over last couple of years in no way equates to Syrian Refugees.

And the facts do back this up.
From 2014 and up to first quarter of 2015 the vast majority of asyslum seekers to Europe were Afghani and also included Pakistani, Moroccan, Algerian, Eritrean, Somali, Iraqi, Syrian, Albanian, Kosovan.

And please don't get us started on the figures under 18 as was sadly shown by events in Germany last week and event in Sweden earlier in year.

munchkin_utd wrote: »

well the lad who blew himself up almost definitely wasnt a woman nor wearing a head scarf !!!!

Nor was he a halal butcher for chickens or beef, nor did he start the iraq or syrian war.

Should we expand the tangent to the participation of Bangladesh in the olympics seeing as it has a vague muslim connection ???????????

Ehh talk about showing your ...
Bangladesh only exists because it was majorly muslim region.
It is the third most populous among Muslim-majority countries.
87% of the countries 160 million odd are muslim.

See wiki.

The country is home to most Bengali Muslims, the second largest ethnic group in the Muslim world. The majority of Bangladeshi Muslims are Sunni, followed by the Shia and Ahmadiya. Roughly 4% are non-denominational Muslims. Bangladesh has the fourth-largest Muslim population in the world and is the third-largest Muslim-majority country after Indonesia and Pakistan.

It was originally East Bengal and was part of the Pakistan state founded in 1947.
West Bengal was majorly Hindu and went with the Indian state.
Bangladesh declared it's independence from Pakistan and it's ruling military junta in 1971.
This led to the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 05:55PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Believing Muhammad flew to heaven on a f*cking horse doesn't make them eejits? Everything about Islam is stupid.

That is not what they believe tho.

Jimmy Garlic · 25-07-2016 05:56PM

weisses wrote: »

Then be a big boy and tell anyone around you who is religious that they are imbeciles, eijits and their belief is moronic

Nah, sorry, I won't be doing that. Not with Muslims anyway. Christians have moved on a wee bit from the dark ages so I might get away with telling them, but I still would be reluctant to risk it. I know how reactionary, unreasonable and unstable those brainwashed by religion/cults are. Telling them that their silly superstitions amount to a load of fvckin rubbish would be suicidal. I value my life and I would like to keep my head attached to the rest of my body thanks very much.

Grayson · 25-07-2016 05:58PM

Widdershins wrote: »

There are numerous muslim terrorists in Ireland under police surveillance and the main recruiter for them in ireland has been fighting a legal battle against his own deportation from ireland . don't you think you should know these things before deciding whether islamic terrorism is an issue worthy of discussion and before denigrating peoples poss about it ? indeed you should inform yourself before making scathing declarations about what you wrongly see as a minimal level of danger.

Don't you think you should stick to the topic? I was responding to someone who said that most terrorists are muslim. They're not in this country. Unless there was a super secret wing of the IRA.

Yes, there are some suspects. How many of these suspects have blown people up? How many of these suspects are there? Because unless there's a few hundred, our home grown terrorists out number them.

Now you may say that there are hundreds in the middle east. I expect there are. In most countries domestic terrorism far out numbers foreign terrorists. That's why in Ireland they're Irish terrorists. In Iraq they're Iraqi terrorists (unless there's a huge super secret wing of the IRA over there). In the US the vast majority of terrorist activities are carried out by domestic terrorists who aren't muslim.

That's not to say that we shouldn't keep an eye on all potential threats, however it's incorrect to say that most terrorists are Muslim when it's the other way round.

speedboatchase · 25-07-2016 05:58PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

That is not what they believe tho.

No, he split the moon in half on a winged horse, actually.

SnakePlissken · 25-07-2016 06:00PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Your initial gripe was that you couldn't walk down the street in Dubai drinking a beer. I pointed out that you couldn't do it in Dublin or NYC either so now you're shifting your pudding to the possible punishment. Maybe you just chose a stupid example.

You're confusing me with another poster, I did not state any gripe about walking down the street with alcohol, do as in Rome after all, I simply highlighted your hypocrisy when responding to said poster. If you believe it was a stupid example take it up with the poster who made it.

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 06:03PM

b_mac2 wrote: »

If any of "these" people dared to stand up for freedom of expression and speech in a Muslim majority country, they would be in serious trouble.
Do you not see the irony here? It's fücking infuriating.

The irony is that our governments support the tyrants that suppress the freedoms in those countries.

Grayson · 25-07-2016 06:04PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Hardly a cliche. Certainly Europe at the moment doesn't consider it a cliche.

Just because people consider it differently doesn't make it a fact. As Dara O'Brian says (I'm paraphrasing) fear of zombies is at an all time high but zombie attacks are still trending steadilly down.

Fear of terrorism doesn't equate to a danger of terrorism. The number of Muslims committing these acts is tiny. Put it this way, we probably have a higher percentage of terrorists in our population than Germany does. It gives us no reason to fear the general Muslim population.

Should we be doing something? yes, extra funding for police and focus on de-radicalising people. What we should not be doing is viewing every muslim as a potential threat.

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 06:05PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

No, he split the moon in half on a winged horse, actually.

They don't believe in that either.
lol...
What the f*ck have you been reading.

Manic Moran · 25-07-2016 06:05PM

Here's where I'm not sure something changed.

A refugee, by definition, seeks refuge. A place of safety. Even though Syrians etc aren't Europeans, it does seem to be the 'human/humane' thing to do for Europeans to provide such. However, surely the obligation extends purely to providing food, shelter, and safety, no? After all, was it not the original intent that such refugees would remain in the country of first landing in the EU, and the pleas for other countries to take in such persons only started happening after the influx of people started to overcome the capabilities of countries such as Italy, Turkey, Greece etc to cater for them?

The question becomes, when did we start confusing refugees with migrants? Why did the EU suddenly start opening up society as a whole to these folks, as opposed to increasing the level of support to refugees in encampments or the like? Was it simply an economic decision that it was hoped that allowing such folks to work in the EU, earn their own living, and pay taxes was going to be cheaper than sustaining sufficient numbers of refugee camps on the EU's borders indefinitely?

jmayo · 25-07-2016 06:10PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

Its not a love affair that they have with Islam.
They stand for freedom of expressions and speech and for tolerance of other cultures.
They feel compelled to stand up for the villification and abuse of Muslims and other minorities which has increased tremendously due to the rise of the extreme right wing in Europe and America.
Its not only Muslims that they stand up for. It is black people too. They did so in the past and they are continuing to do so especially since white cops started killing black males in America and the subsequent rise of the BLM movement.

That is all well and good, but we have people performing verbal gymnastics in order to try and play down the fact that from within the muslim communities there are those who are carrying out atrocities in the name of their religion and that clerics are often stoking the flames and the hatred.

We have a huge level of whataboutery (as list in one of my previous posts) that gets dragged in every time and it just looks like people are trying to excuse the backward misogynists that it appears makes up a sizable portion of that religion.
Yes not all muslims are backward misogynists but by god a hell of a lot are, else how could one explain the number of deeply backward and repressive muslim countries.
And yes even less are terrorists, but the one that worries me is that a bigger percentage are non committal when it comes to actually condemning that terrorism.

A fair few people here said all last year that letting in untold numbers from god knows where, but definitely from very backward cultures that are not compatible with most modern European societies, was not a good idea.
We were immediately attacked as at the very least as being self centred uncaring or at worst as rabid racists and nazis.

HensVassal wrote: »

The fundamental issue is NOT Islam. The fundamental issue is the ongoing western invasions and occupation of middle eastern lands. I don't see Muslims randomly killing anyone in Latin America, despite it being wholly catholic. You're trying to simplify something to absurd dimensions.

Can you then explain the likes of Boko Haram ?
How is kidnapping school girls in Northern Nigeria sticking it to the West ? :rolleyes:

Dyr · 25-07-2016 06:13PM

Treatment of refugees is under some UN law...1950 or so. Includes refugees being granted citizenship if they stay long enough. The Saudis never signed up surprise suprise

Jimmy Garlic · 25-07-2016 06:13PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Here's where I'm not sure something changed.

A refugee, by definition, seeks refuge. A place of safety. Even though Syrians etc aren't Europeans, it does seem to be the 'human/humane' thing to do for Europeans to provide such. However, surely the obligation extends purely to providing food, shelter, and safety, no? After all, was it not the original intent that such refugees would remain in the country of first landing in the EU, and the pleas for other countries to take in such persons only started happening after the influx of people started to overcome the capabilities of countries such as Italy, Turkey, Greece etc to cater for them?

The question becomes, when did we start confusing refugees with migrants? Why did the EU suddenly start opening up society as a whole to these folks, as opposed to increasing the level of support to refugees in encampments or the like? Was it simply an economic decision that it was hoped that allowing such folks to work in the EU, earn their own living, and pay taxes was going to be cheaper than sustaining sufficient numbers of refugee camps on the EU's borders indefinitely?

Have a look at Peter Sutherlands musings. It is not an economic decision, it is social engineering. In his mind if European nations are sufficiently diluted and destabilised there will a lot less cohesion to oppose the federal corporate superstate that they have been talking about for years.

The_Kew_Tour · 25-07-2016 06:14PM

Peter Sutherland is living in cookcoo land

Widdershins · 25-07-2016 06:24PM

Grayson wrote: »

Don't you think you should stick to the topic? I was responding to someone who said that most terrorists are muslim. They're not in this country. Unless there was a super secret wing of the IRA.

Yes, there are some suspects. How many of these suspects have blown people up? How many of these suspects are there? Because unless there's a few hundred, our home grown terrorists out number them.

Now you may say that there are hundreds in the middle east. I expect there are. In most countries domestic terrorism far out numbers foreign terrorists. That's why in Ireland they're Irish terrorists. In Iraq they're Iraqi terrorists (unless there's a huge super secret wing of the IRA over there). In the US the vast majority of terrorist activities are carried out by domestic terrorists who aren't muslim.

That's not to say that we shouldn't keep an eye on all potential threats, however it's incorrect to say that most terrorists are Muslim when it's the other way round.

I was responding to you when you stated that you don't think any of the terrorists in Ireland are Muslim , sorry if it's difficult to accept that you were sorely mistaken about something you're very strong on, but it is fairly relevant to the subject . The other posters comment about most terrorists being muslims has nothing to do with me but you're not going to dispel the idea until you can give the impression that you're in touch with the facts .

speedboatchase · 25-07-2016 06:27PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

They don't believe in that either.
lol...
What the f*ck have you been reading.

Quranic verses 54:1-2, bruh.

jmayo · 25-07-2016 06:33PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

The irony is that our governments support the tyrants that suppress the freedoms in those countries.

Eh Egypt is great example why it is better of for us in the West to have a dictator or military rule rather than let them decide for themselves.
Mubarak was ousted and what happens, but a repressive regressive government is elected that wants to turn any secular freedoms back and ultimately wants to turn the state into sharia run islamic state.

Manic Moran wrote: »

Here's where I'm not sure something changed.

A refugee, by definition, seeks refuge. A place of safety. Even though Syrians etc aren't Europeans, it does seem to be the 'human/humane' thing to do for Europeans to provide such. However, surely the obligation extends purely to providing food, shelter, and safety, no? After all, was it not the original intent that such refugees would remain in the country of first landing in the EU, and the pleas for other countries to take in such persons only started happening after the influx of people started to overcome the capabilities of countries such as Italy, Turkey, Greece etc to cater for them?

The question becomes, when did we start confusing refugees with migrants? Why did the EU suddenly start opening up society as a whole to these folks, as opposed to increasing the level of support to refugees in encampments or the like? Was it simply an economic decision that it was hoped that allowing such folks to work in the EU, earn their own living, and pay taxes was going to be cheaper than sustaining sufficient numbers of refugee camps on the EU's borders indefinitely?

There are few things here I believe.
Migrants/refugees from North Africa had been arriving in Italy especially after fall of Gaddafi.
Italians were doing their best, but couldn't cope so they just allowed the migrants/refugees go on their way which usually meant they headed off towards the richer countries in the EU such as UK, Germany, Sweden, etc.
How do you assume those people ended up in Calais ?

Then there started the influx into Greece.
Mr Erdogan may have had a major part to play in this.
After all he probably wanted to move on those people who had suddenly arrived in Turkey.
Greece doesn't have the wherewithal to cope so they didn't care if they wandered off towards Germany.
I think it became a go to mantra to claim all of these people were fleeing Syria and the media together with a lot of aid agencies fed this myth.
The media have had a huge part to play in this and anyone that did not follow the groupthink was either ignored or lambasted.

See how the groupthink turned on Viktor Urkan and the EU were full set to try bull him out of office.

Politicians started buying into as well and they may have their own selfish reasons for doing so.
There is the whole conspiracy that certain parties are tyring to ensure future generations of voters and that certain vested interests want to break down the nation states. Conspiracy maybe, maybe not.
Then Merkel opened her big mouth and the floodgates opened.

There are even stories of Afghani family flying into Iran, crossing into Eastern Turkey and then eventually paying trafficker to get them to Greece.
Then also you have poor Turks, Iranians, Albanians, Kosvans and you see chance of getting into Germany or Sweden.
Hell for some of these people it is just case of hopping on a bus to nearest border, lose your identification and hey presto you are another Syrian refugee.

Meanwhile the real refugees, the ones not rich enough to pay traffickers
are sitting with no hope in a tent in Lebanon or Jordan.

Grayson · 25-07-2016 06:35PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I was responding to you when you stated that you don't think any of the terrorists in Ireland are Muslim , sorry if it's difficult to accept that you were sorely mistaken about something you're very strong on, but it is fairly relevant to the subject . The other posters comment about most terrorists being muslims has nothing to do with me but you're not going to dispel the idea until you can give the impression that you're in touch with the facts .

I also asked you how many of these have committed terrorist acts. I asked how many suspects there are. When did a terrorist suspect become a terrorist. Do we just drop the word suspect.

This many seem pedantic but you're saying that a terrorist suspect is an actual terrorist. So, how many actual terrorists, that is people who have committed a terrorist act, in Ireland.

25-07-2016 06:38PM

I'd just like to propose something about these 'lone wolves' who ISIS are claiming post-attack as one of their own, which might be important to bear in mind throughout this...

The guys carrying out these attacks in Europe. The ones linked to Islamic Extremism. I do not for one minute think that all these guys got invited out to ISIS Headquarters in the Middle-East, were given the official induction and welcome package, were trained to kill, attended the ISIS Catalina Wine Mixer, got their degree from ISIS I.T., posed for selfies and then were shipped back to their European location. No.

I'm going to try an analogy here - Remember the early 90s and the band Nirvana? When Kurt Cobain's Nirvana arrived on the scene, they suddenly gave a 'voiceless' demographic a common voice, and a very loud one. The music of Kurt and Nirvana, their look, their attitude, the whole package spoke to many people and created millions of hardcore fans worldwide. These weren't just fans who liked to listen to the few tunes and then forget for a while, but fans who would change their own appearance to be in line with Kurt's, who would change their attitudes on certain topics to be in line with Kurt's, who would basically try to live the life that they reckon Kurt wanted them to live. This is extreme fandom.

At the time, how did these fans pay tribute to Kurt and Nirvana? They went to their concerts. They hung posters. They bought albums. They grew their hair and wore stripey sweaters. They learned how to play instruments and formed their own bands. They used the music and band to strengthen bonds with their friends and make new friendships. They told non-fans about Nirvana and tried to spread the word. Many of them found themselves suddenly with a purpose in life because of this band and their music. They also used this music as something just for them, something to hit back against an overbearing parent, a strict teacher, a society they felt they weren't a part of.

Did many of these hardcore Nirvana fans actually get to meet Kurt in their lifetimes or need to in order to love the band to the degree that they did? No. Did Kurt need to personally meet with all of these people who were drawn to his band in order to make hardcore fans out of them? No, he didn't. He wrote and released his music from one location, and it found its way to fans around the world. He had a message, they listened and reacted accordingly.

With these 'lone wolf' attacks and their links to Islamist Extremism, I honestly think that ISIS are these peoples' version of Nirvana. These young men sitting around Europe, feeling disenfranchised, neglected, forgotten about, living a life devoid of purpose. This thing, ISIS, suddenly gives them purpose. They don't need to meet 'Mr. ISIS' or to be invited out to a training camp and given the VIP treatment. The 'music' that ISIS are broadcasting is enough to speak to them. These young men want to hit back, at something, and ISIS is now the excuse they needed to go out and do it in the most public, horrific way possible.

So after opining the above, I will go one further and suggest that it isn't your devout, lifelong practicing Muslim who is carrying out these atrocities. It is the bored, pissed-off, young men who might otherwise quietly do away with themselves, but now because of the 'music' of ISIS, have the idea and excuse to go out while taking as many innocents with them as possible. Apparently the mastermind of the Paris attacks last November was not very religious at all, and was just a pissed-off young lad on the dole. (Quotes I read from an ex-gf of his are my source)

Why then, when our Irish young lads are pissed off and on the dole, don't they go into the Olympia/Vicar Street and shoot up the place? Well, I mightn't even have some of the answers in this post let alone them all. I just think that ISIS are singing a tune that for whatever reasons, speaks very loudly to a demographic who for whatever other reasons, don't have the same value for innocent life as the majority of the EU population do.

I just don't think it's as straightforward as Islam = bad. There are certainly elements of it which are enabling young men to carry out atrocities, but I think ISIS higher-ups are sitting delighted at the moment, eating their pulled-pork sandwiches and watching Western movies featuring scantily clothed women, as these new 'fans' they never met 'buy their albums and spread their message' across Europe. ISIS just have to sit back and watch these attacks happen, and then say 'Yep, that was us'.

That's why, for a suspect to be linked with Islam Extremism, it is not important for me to see a photo of him from the past outside ISIS HQ. ISIS are getting their message/mission across without even going near a Mosque or the eventual perpetrator. Their approach is actually impressive, if it wasn't so scary and potentially horrific.

HensVassal · 25-07-2016 06:42PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You've a vivid imagination I'll give you that, perhaps you should try and ground it somewhat in reality?

To be frank I'm not wasting any further time with someone who is obviously so entrenched in their opinion they won't be swayed by, I don't know, verifiable facts and figures.

Good day to you.

Off you go then. The United Nations states that 21% of Syrian refugees are adult males as opposed to your assertion that the vast majority are. I would give "vast majority" as conservatively above 55-60%. Why are you avoiding that?

unseenfootage · 25-07-2016 06:46PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Quranic verses 54:1-2, bruh.

oh.

I could swear that you said he split the moon in half on a winged horse, bruh...
kewl story tho...

jake_boy_men · 25-07-2016 06:49PM

HensVassal wrote: »

The fundamental issue is NOT Islam. The fundamental issue is the ongoing western invasions and occupation of middle eastern lands. I don't see Muslims randomly killing anyone in Latin America, despite it being wholly catholic. You're trying to simplify something to absurd dimensions.

what percentage of the population of south america is muslim ?
, how far away from the mid east is south america ?

speaking of south america , many south american countries have been the victim of american imperailism down the decades , how come we dont hear of suicide bombers from south america ?

Mr. teddywinkles · 25-07-2016 06:52PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Peter Sutherland is living in cookcoo land

Is he though. Seems to be diluting down nicely in this country. And were on the outskirts of Europe.

speedboatchase · 25-07-2016 06:52PM

unseenfootage wrote: »

oh.

I could swear that you said he split the moon in half on a winged horse, bruh...
kewl story tho...

Sorry, you're right. *That* was the far-fetched part.

anon71 · 25-07-2016 06:55PM

Shenshen wrote: »

The couple of threads in the last few days have made me wonder if people actually crave fear in some way. Do they want to be scared?

I don't crave fear. I don't want to be scared.

I've been in 3 locations in Ireland over the last few days which were very crowded. I've consciously started looking around me and watching for anyone looking suspicious.
And by anyone I mean a certain skintone, a certain hair colour, carrying a backpack.
Today in my local TK Maxx a man came in, my antenna went off and I nearly had a panic attack looking to see where my husband was. Purely because of his dress, skin colour and general demeanour.
Mind you it occurred to me afterwards that my first instinct was to get away and screw everyone else. Not too sure how I would have felt had something happened.

I'm a middle aged woman. I've always considered myself to be a sensible person, not concerned with someone's skin colour or religion.

But I'm scared. And people can say I'm being hysterical and that nothing will happen here. Fact is, no-one knows that.

Listening to the radio this evening, a man being interviewed talking about men who hadn't previously been particularly religious but suddenly feeling that they need to make atonement. Men suffering from mental illness who are influenced by what they are seeing happening.

I'm scared. I'm fearful. I hate that that's how I feel. But it is. And I know from talking to others and listening to other that I'm not alone. But to say it out loud is "letting them win" and "being hysterical". I don't think anyone's winning here. I just want to go about my business and not be afraid.

I haven't read the whole thread. And I'm not having a go at the poster that I quoted. It's just the words struck a chord with me.

speedboatchase · 25-07-2016 06:56PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Off you go then. The United Nations states that 21% of Syrian refugees are adult males as opposed to your assertion that the vast majority are. I would give "vast majority" as conservatively above 55-60%. Why are you avoiding that?

UNHCR stats show 41% of arrivals this year to the Mediterranean are men, 21% are women. 48% are Syrian. The arrivals in Italy this year are 70% men.

Vast majority of lads getting on boats right now to claim asylum are men.

dublinman1990 · 25-07-2016 07:01PM

My god; Germany is seriously having a very rough time with these attacks. My heart goes out to those who were injured in Ansbach last night. A night out at a concert is probably the last thing I would think of that a bomb should go off killing people for no reason whatsoever.

It is a disgrace that these attacks happen outside in the front of everybody in the main heart of Europe.

These scumbags who carry them out, regardless of who they are or where they came from, have no place in this world while they bring to misery to others without asking for it. Now; I long for the day that we live in peace in Europe someday. But in the meantime; we would have to live with nothing but utter heartbreak from those who carry out and condone this attacks with hesitation from others....and for what.

What message is this sending out to people who want to strive to bring nothing but peace to others. It is just sickening that these attacks happen so often with little to no notice. It seems nobody in power can have the rational willpower in themselves to even say stop to let the heartbreak in people subside to try & take stock of what sort of damage these attacks are bringing their own lives & to the lives of others.

It is just one ounce of heartbreak after another with this band of terrorist thugs with nothing else counting as a reprieve for others.

25-07-2016 07:13PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

**Slow clap**

Can you please make ironic feminist jazz-hands in future? cos you are "triggering" me anxiety

Explosion in bar in Ansbach, Germany

Comments