Germany ~ AGAIN .....

A Little Pony · 24-07-2016 08:15PM

failinis wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I personally would not welcome refugees who are Muslim from Syria. I would for Christians as I could identify with them and they most likely won't kill me.

Just for you
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37

:rolleyes:

Edit:Even if you are atheist, I assume you have kind morals.

Looking around the mess in Europe, they can stay across the channel. Less of them in Ireland, the better.

martingriff · 24-07-2016 08:27PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

I personally would not welcome refugees who are Muslim from Syria. I would for Christians as I could identify with them and they most likely won't kill me.

You right all Muslims kill people Christian do not:rolleyes:

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2016 08:30PM

Yes. That is what has happened in the vast vast majority of cases.

Pile in islamophobes. Trot out the same crap again. Stick fingers in ears and avoid reality again. You think your post is some sort of point. In actuality it just shows your true colours. You don't care about these attacks. Bar jumping in gleefully to hammer in a few more poorly thought out sound bites that can't stand up to any examination.

RandomName2 · 24-07-2016 08:35PM

Samaris wrote: »

Thread title - bold words, emphasising that it's another attack to attract attention (regardless of the last one not being Islamist, but whatever).

First line - provoking, you know it's going to make for a row-ish thread and frankly, you seem rather happy about being the one to start it.

Second line - ah, the old emphasis on immigration to lead into;

Last line - Throwing it open for the row to begin, along with an insinuation about all migrants/Muslims (whichever you're going for with "these people") being homicidal machete murderers + starter for the lefty liberal Rawr EU debate with the implication of "not that you have any choice about "these people" in your parish.

Not a thought for the person who's dead, or the person injured, or people traumatised in the attack, just straight off into "these people".

I wonder why I'd possibly think you were muckstirring. Gleefully.

Ah Stigura, you see? By not treating the issue with due reverence (with what is in truth a low quality OP) you allowed your opponent to avoid the issue altogether and instead respond with moral outrage. As for Samaris, moral outrage is probably a safer bet than either of the two positions:

1) Sure anybody could have attacked anybody with a machete
2) He is just 1 out of a million migrants

due to both common sense and precedent.

tomwaterford · 24-07-2016 08:37PM

My head is too big for hurling practice

Alot to be said for setting up a hurling wall at immigration/refugee places and send those ****e at it to kk

A Little Pony · 24-07-2016 08:42PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Yes. That is what has happened in the vast vast majority of cases.

Pile in islamophobes. Trot out the same crap again. Stick fingers in ears and avoid reality again. You think your post is some sort of point. In actuality it just shows your true colours. You don't care about these attacks. Bar jumping in gleefully to hammer in a few more poorly thought out sound bites that can't stand up to any examination.

lol Islamophobe. Hitchens summed up the people well who use that phrase.

CaptainInsano · 24-07-2016 08:43PM

I wouldn't worry, I doubt there's a brain in there anyway.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2016 08:44PM

It's going to be tough on your parents when your vocabulary gets further expanded and you start running around after bed time shouting "cuck cuck cuck!" at the top of your lungs in your Donald trump pyjamas.

RandomName2 · 24-07-2016 08:48PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Yes. That is what has happened in the vast vast majority of cases.

Pile in islamophobes. Trot out the same crap again. Stick fingers in ears and avoid reality again. You think your post is some sort of point. In actuality it just shows your true colours. You don't care about these attacks. Bar jumping in gleefully to hammer in a few more poorly thought out sound bites that can't stand up to any examination.

In truth I doubt you care about the attacks either. But what vexes you is the fact that they are providing evidence that you are wrong. Now you can discount that evidence as non-representative, or you could argue that perhaps a 3 figure sum of Germans being killed in the next couple of years is an acceptable loss compared to the perhaps tens of thousands of lives of refugees saved.

The greater argument is long-term instability. In reality who cares about an individual you don't know being hacked to death in a foreign country. It is horrendous. It's disgusting. But it is just one person, that you don't know, and no-one you know knows. A couple of people probably died on our roads at the weekend, or committed suicide, and we don't bat an eyelid, unless it affects us personally.

But Europe has a delicate balance in terms of culture and nationalism. It has created countless wars, countless struggles for independence or hegemony. It wasn't until after WW2 that it was mostly sorted out (except in Yugoslavia). Now Merkel has decided to redefine the German nation to such an extent that it cannot simply assimilate the peoples who have arrived. It will lead to greater division and instability, it's inevitable. While possibly coincidental, this machete attack, like the train attack last week (and even possibly the McDonalds attack as well) are in all likelihood symptomatic of this rather than separate.

Venom · 24-07-2016 08:57PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Yes. That is what has happened in the vast vast majority of cases.

Pile in islamophobes. Trot out the same crap again. Stick fingers in ears and avoid reality again. You think your post is some sort of point. In actuality it just shows your true colours. You don't care about these attacks. Bar jumping in gleefully to hammer in a few more poorly thought out sound bites that can't stand up to any examination.

Multiple barbaric attacks so soon after each other couldn't possibly be connected at all!

All random!

Totally!

Would you be interesting in buying some shares in a bridge I happen to own by any chance?

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2016 08:57PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

In truth I doubt you care about the attacks either. But what vexes you is the fact that they are providing evidence that you are wrong. Now you can discount that evidence as non-representative, or you could argue that perhaps a 3 figure sum of Germans being killed in the next couple of years is an acceptable loss compared to the perhaps tens of thousands of lives of refugees saved.

The greater argument is long-term instability. In reality who cares about an individual you don't know being hacked to death in a foreign country. It is horrendous. It's disgusting. But it is just one person, that you don't know, and no-one you know knows. A couple of people probably died on our roads at the weekend, or committed suicide, and we don't bat an eyelid, unless it affects us personally.

But Europe has a delicate balance in terms of culture and nationalism. It has created countless wars, countless struggles for independence or hegemony. It wasn't until after WW2 that it was mostly sorted out (except in Yugoslavia). Now Merkel has decided to redefine the German nation to such an extent that it cannot simply assimilate the peoples who have arrived. It will lead to greater division and instability, it's inevitable. While possibly coincidental, this machete attack, like the train attack last week (and even possibly the McDonalds attack as well) are in all likelihood symptomatic of this rather than separate.

Some valid points there. I think that the current status quo has to be questioned. But the vast majority of the shïtposters on here have no ability to discuss a better solution without resorting to idiotic "cultural enrichment" and "religion of peace" nonsense without actually suggesting anything else. It's dangerous to suggest all who are concerned are misguided or wrong. However most of the folks on here are simply incapable of finding a solution which protects one population from extremism and assists with the current humanitarian crisis.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2016 08:59PM

The plural of anecdotes is not data.

And while we are at it the plural of bullshït is still bullshït. Now. Don't you have to go to your "cuck" recital on **** before bedtime?

Venom · 24-07-2016 09:00PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Some valid points there. I think that the current status quo has to be questioned. But the vast majority of the shïtposters on here have no ability to discuss a better solution without resorting to idiotic "cultural enrichment" and "religion of peace" nonsense without actually suggesting anything else. It's dangerous to suggest all who are concerned are misguided or wrong. However most of the folks on here are simply incapable of finding a solution which protects one population from extremism and assists with the current humanitarian crisis.

Unlike the people posting pictures and videos of penguins and trying to derail any discussion in the thread about the last attack? The one that happened only two days ago!

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2016 09:01PM

Venom wrote: »

Multiple barbaric attacks so soon after each other couldn't possibly be connected at all!

All random!

Totally!

Would you be interesting in buying some shares in a bridge I happen to own by any chance?

The post you quoted bares no correlation to the words you're trying to put in my mouth there sunshine.

dr.bollocko · 24-07-2016 09:02PM

Venom wrote: »

Unlike the people posting pictures and videos of penguins and trying to derail any discussion in the thread about the last attack? The one that happened only two days ago!

there are idiots on both sides of every debate worth having.

Ken. · 24-07-2016 09:04PM

Mod-Knock off the personal crap and get back on topic please.

pegasus1 · 24-07-2016 09:11PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Some valid points there. I think that the current status quo has to be questioned. But the vast majority of the shïtposters on here have no ability to discuss a better solution without resorting to idiotic "cultural enrichment" and "religion of peace" nonsense without actually suggesting anything else. It's dangerous to suggest all who are concerned are misguided or wrong. However most of the folks on here are simply incapable of finding a solution which protects one population from extremism and assists with the current humanitarian crisis.

Would you have a suggestion of a solution?
Is there a solution?
For the people in the Calais camp, with all the violence there..is there a solution?
I hope there is a solution....there is too much violence in this world...
Actually the word solution is wrong...Remember the Final solution?

Your Face · 24-07-2016 09:13PM

Germany again.
That's what France said.

meepins · 24-07-2016 09:16PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

Actually the word solution is wrong...Remember the Final solution?

SnakePlissken · 24-07-2016 09:17PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

It's dangerous to suggest all who are concerned are misguided or wrong.

The recorded crime statistics, in particular crimes of a sexual nature, in cities and countries that have opened their borders and embraced Muslim refugees over the past number of decades clearly give credence to the concerns of the non naive.

pegasus1 · 24-07-2016 09:24PM

A person selling kebabs could use a machete..Yes I have seen this with my own eyes here in Ireland..
so maybe the person from Syria didn't like her kebab and an argument happened...

24-07-2016 09:27PM

Stigura wrote: »

Okay, Samaris. You are, obviously, a worthy Moderator. Your views carry no obvious bias. You have displayed the judgement of Solomon. You've slyly, publicly called me a schit stirrer. Lovely.

Your call. If we're to be So censored here? Fine. Do as your rather interesting trains of thought see fit.

Either way, I sure as hell won't be commenting on the next atrocity. Or the next one. Or .....

Seems pretty clear that providing heads up on certain world events doesn't go down well here.

Get over it. You were rightly called out on your post being, well, rotten tbh.

Move on.

enricoh · 24-07-2016 09:39PM

Germany took in a million + Muslims in the last year or so.
Hungary took in zero, said thanks but no thanks.
Let's see how each country gets on with terrorism, no go ghettos, rapes,teenagers getting groomed etc in the years to come.
I reckon Hungary will survive without the cultural enrichment !

pegasus1 · 24-07-2016 09:42PM

enricoh wrote: »

Germany took in a million + Muslims in the last year or so.
Hungary took in zero, said thanks but no thanks.
Let's see how each country gets on with terrorism, no go ghettos, rapes,teenagers getting groomed etc in the years to come.
I reckon Hungary will survive without the cultural enrichment !

500,000 of those are deemed missing and I seriously doubt those 1,000,000 are all muslim...

Widdershins · 24-07-2016 09:45PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

500,000 of those are deemed missing and I seriously doubt those 1,000,000 are all muslim...

how are they missing ?

pegasus1 · 24-07-2016 09:48PM

Widdershins wrote: »

how are they missing ?

They have disappeared from sight, I dunno it was reported in reliable press like 6 months ago..

SnakePlissken · 24-07-2016 09:49PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

there are idiots on both sides of every debate worth having.

There sure are...

Widdershins · 24-07-2016 09:51PM

pegasus1 wrote: »

They have disappeared from sight, I dunno it was reported in reliable press like 6 months ago..

That is very weird

Zxclnic · 24-07-2016 09:55PM

Bodie Mango Mind wrote: »

The thing is you pretty much can set policy on the actions of a tiny minority ~ Micheal Doyle (Dunblane massacre) pretty much had all pistols and revolvers made illegal in the UK.

That's only one example but it shows that policy can and will be set on the actions of a minority.

In regards to terror, you don't need big attacks to spread fear ~ in fact smaller attacks can be as terrifying. Think 'War of the Flea' where a tiny flea on a big dogs body will drive the dog nuts, and the dog can't find the damned flea to kill it.

Same for terror groups, small and small attacks can be very, very successful in spreading terror.

The other thing about these lone wolf attackers ~ we don't know if and to what extent these people are suffering PTSD from their experiences in Syria, A'Stan, Libya etc. They may not come here looking to cause terror, they may not even know they're suffering combat stress ~ then they attack.

The problem is massive, it won't be cured by completely closing borders and locking the poor sods in a war zone, but thats little comfort to those poor people in Germany, France, Belgium etc

Thomas Hamilton was the name of the crazed - non-muslim - Dunblane attacker.
Who's Michael Doyle?

KingBrian2 · 24-07-2016 09:59PM

The Arab Spring was a complete nightmare. Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya & Bahrain all wracked by unrest. Anyone in their right sense would want to hop on a plane and get out of there to a bastion of freedom in Europe. Trouble is we can't keep inviting potential Jihadists into Europe.

Germany ~ AGAIN .....

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