Germany ~ AGAIN .....

Stigura

To your trenches, AH's!

https://www.rt.com/news/353005-machete-wielding-man-attack/

No assumptions here. He's confirmed as a " Syrian Refugee ".

So, AH's: Would you welcome these people into Your parish? (Not suggesting we have any choice, of course).

LightsStillOn

Would I welcome a machete wielding madman into my parish? No, probably not.

Samaris

Do you have to sound so disgustingly gleeful about someone being killed in a horrible manner?

Stigura

You think I'm typing " Gleefully "?

Okay. I really can't account for how your mind works.

snubbleste

LightsStillOn wrote: »

Would I welcome a machete wielding madman into my parish? No, probably not.

Course you would
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/catholic-parishes-can-help-refugees-352545.html

Realt Dearg Sec

Stigura wrote: »

You think I'm typing " Gleefully "?

Okay. I really can't account for how your mind works.

That first line sounds fairly gleeful to me honest.

Ted111

jesus.....i thought it was World War III....phew.

Spanish Eyes

Sorry for the lady he savagely murdered. Beyond comprehension now at this stage what this is all about.

Apparently the atrocity happened at a kebab stand. Could be more to this.

Samaris

Stigura wrote: »

To your trenches, AH's!

https://www.rt.com/news/353005-machete-wielding-man-attack/

No assumptions here. He's confirmed as a " Syrian Refugee ".

So, AH's: Would you welcome these people into Your parish? (Not suggesting we have any choice, of course).

Thread title - bold words, emphasising that it's another attack to attract attention (regardless of the last one not being Islamist, but whatever).

First line - provoking, you know it's going to make for a row-ish thread and frankly, you seem rather happy about being the one to start it.

Second line - ah, the old emphasis on immigration to lead into;

Last line - Throwing it open for the row to begin, along with an insinuation about all migrants/Muslims (whichever you're going for with "these people") being homicidal machete murderers + starter for the lefty liberal Rawr EU debate with the implication of "not that you have any choice about "these people" in your parish.

Not a thought for the person who's dead, or the person injured, or people traumatised in the attack, just straight off into "these people".

I wonder why I'd possibly think you were muckstirring. Gleefully.

Stigura

No. That first line merely indicates my awareness that any thread of this type will swiftly become trench warfare between the people who hate hearing of this sort of thing. And those who will rather wish to in some ~ any ~ way present arguments for why it's not so bad as some might wish to suggest.

Sir Osis of Liver.

My parish?

That would be an ecumenical matter.

Samaris

Oh, and to answer your question, I would be distinctly dubious about having a homicidal machete maniac as a next door neighbour, but thankfully, that is not yet Irish/European policy yet.

I'm pretty grand with a Muslim neighbour though. You?

dav3

Stigura wrote: »

To your trenches, AH's!

https://www.rt.com/news/353005-machete-wielding-man-attack/

No assumptions here. He's confirmed as a " Syrian Refugee ".

So, AH's: Would you welcome these people into Your parish? (Not suggesting we have any choice, of course).

I'd certainly welcome refugees ahead of a sh*t-stirring lowlife.

The Backwards Man

You'll never avoid trench warfare if you've dug yours to fire the first shot. But I don't believe you're trying to avoid it anyway.

Dr Crayfish

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

My parish?

That would be an ecumenical matter.

I can't believe someone got a Fr Ted reference into this thread. I've never laughed so much in my life. But seriously when will the quotes stop? When anyone born before 1990 or so dies?

Stigura

Okay, Samaris. You are, obviously, a worthy Moderator. Your views carry no obvious bias. You have displayed the judgement of Solomon. You've slyly, publicly called me a schit stirrer. Lovely.

Your call. If we're to be So censored here? Fine. Do as your rather interesting trains of thought see fit.

Either way, I sure as hell won't be commenting on the next atrocity. Or the next one. Or .....

Seems pretty clear that providing heads up on certain world events doesn't go down well here.

Penny Tration

The poor woman what a terrifying way to go.

Fr_Dougal

Stigura wrote: »

Okay, Samaris. You are, obviously, a worthy Moderator. Your views carry no obvious bias. You have displayed the judgement of Solomon. You've slyly, publicly called me a schit stirrer. Lovely.

Your call. If we're to be So censored here? Fine. Do as your rather interesting trains of thought see fit.

Either way, I sure as hell won't be commenting on the next atrocity. Or the next one. Or .....

Seems pretty clear that providing heads up on certain world events doesn't go down well here.

As has already been mentioned, it's the language and tone of your post that is unappealing. You're looking for a certain reaction from posters, and no doubt you'll get it before long. Absolutely no empathy shown for the victims of this attack, very distasteful.

Samaris

Stigura wrote: »

Okay, Samaris. You are, obviously, a worthy Moderator. Your views carry no obvious bias. You have displayed the judgement of Solomon. You've slyly, publicly called me a schit stirrer. Lovely.

Your call. If we're to be So censored here? Fine. Do as your rather interesting trains of thought see fit.

Either way, I sure as hell won't be commenting on the next atrocity. Or the next one. Or .....

Seems pretty clear that providing heads up on certain world events doesn't go down well here.

To be honest, Stigura, while I absolutely stand by what I said because I reckon it's true, I reported myself on it so another mod can go look at the thread as I'm now invested in it.

And there is -no- issue with providing heads up on world events. I would assume you'd know that quite well from ..well..looking at AH. What I objected to, as a poster, not a mod, was your rather nasty way of putting it. It seemed horribly inappropriate to what's a bloody tragedy for the family of that woman. It looked like point-scoring to provoke a row.

That's all.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Stigura wrote: »

To your trenches, AH's!

https://www.rt.com/news/353005-machete-wielding-man-attack/

No assumptions here. He's confirmed as a " Syrian Refugee ".

So, AH's: Would you welcome these people into Your parish? (Not suggesting we have any choice, of course).

Not hitting the trenches just yet.

And yes I'd welcome Syrian refugee's to my parish. We can't just leave them to be slaughtered in a war zone. But I don't know how best to control who and what gets in.

Despite the recent attacks I'm still pro 'take them in.

Samaris pretty much set the tone of this thread from early on so I'll finish this before the thread is locked.

Continue to take them in ~ I'm pro.

To the friends and family of those murdered in recent attacks, I guess no one words can comfort you. God bless you all.

enzo roco

Samaris wrote: »

First line - provoking, you know it's going to make for a row-ish thread and frankly, you seem rather happy about being the one to start it.

Second line - ah, the old emphasis on immigration to lead into;
.

O would you ever just shut up. Your anger towards the op is so annoying.

Read the thread about the shooting in munich. And give out/moan to everyone who gave out about immigration.

Widdershins

Depressing. I've never seen anything like what has been happening and I don't think people are able to comprehend it. Brushing it under the carpet is not helping .

conditioned games

Samaris wrote: »

To be honest, Stigura, while I absolutely stand by what I said because I reckon it's true, I reported myself on it so another mod can go look at the thread as I'm now invested in it.

And there is -no- issue with providing heads up on world events. I would assume you'd know that quite well from ..well..looking at AH. What I objected to, as a poster, not a mod, was your rather nasty way of putting it. It seemed horribly inappropriate to what's a bloody tragedy for the family of that woman. It looked like point-scoring to provoke a row.

That's all.

He asked an honest question that you took offence to. Reality is Ireland are bringing these Syrian refugees into parishes around Ireland. Question is relevant to todays society given that we the people have no say in the matter but have to deal with this type of cultural baggage for generations to come.

Amirani

Bad few days for Germany.

Can't really let the actions of 1/2 maniacs dictate policy towards thousands of innocent people.

Widdershins

Amirani wrote: »

Bad few days for Germany.

Can't really let the actions of 1/2 maniacs dictate policy towards thousands of innocent people.

More than a few days and I think you can reassess the situation when there is a wave of terrorism and a jihadist insurgency going on .

Spanish Eyes

Amirani wrote: »

Bad few days for Germany.

Can't really let the actions of 1/2 maniacs dictate policy towards thousands of innocent people.

But the fear factor of more of the same happening must be terrifying for those living there just the same.

The ethnicity/religion/whatever of the perpetrators is worrying too.

Samaris

Yep, and I apologise for the needless sarcasm, but not for my opinion.

I realise that doesn't come across as hugely sincere, but I have to make the distinction. I still don't agree with the OPs approach to it.

Widdershins

There was New Years Eve sex assaults in Stuttgart too.

enzo roco

Amirani wrote: »

Can't really let the actions of 1/2 maniacs dictate policy towards thousands of innocent people.

Yes ya can.
Many laws and policies are brought in because of a few fools/maniacs/murders.

Stealthfins

I often wonder why we hear so much about Christian's being persecuted and ran out of areas in those countries but yet we haven't heard much about Christian refugees landing in Europe.

It's seems it's another religion that's responsible for these atrocious act's.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Amirani wrote: »

Bad few days for Germany.

Can't really let the actions of 1/2 maniacs dictate policy towards thousands of innocent people.

The thing is you pretty much can set policy on the actions of a tiny minority ~ Micheal Doyle (Dunblane massacre) pretty much had all pistols and revolvers made illegal in the UK.

That's only one example but it shows that policy can and will be set on the actions of a minority.

In regards to terror, you don't need big attacks to spread fear ~ in fact smaller attacks can be as terrifying. Think 'War of the Flea' where a tiny flea on a big dogs body will drive the dog nuts, and the dog can't find the damned flea to kill it.

Same for terror groups, small and small attacks can be very, very successful in spreading terror.

The other thing about these lone wolf attackers ~ we don't know if and to what extent these people are suffering PTSD from their experiences in Syria, A'Stan, Libya etc. They may not come here looking to cause terror, they may not even know they're suffering combat stress ~ then they attack.

The problem is massive, it won't be cured by completely closing borders and locking the poor sods in a war zone, but thats little comfort to those poor people in Germany, France, Belgium etc

Shenshen

Stealthfins wrote: »

I often wonder why we hear so much about Christian's being persecuted and ran out of areas in those countries but yet we haven't heard much about Christian refugees landing in Europe.

It's seems it's another religion that's responsible for these atrocious act's.

Funny you should mention - the Spiegel ran an article yesterday about parishes of all denomination (Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalin) experiencing a revival these days with Christian refugees arriving. And apprently, they're having never-before-seen numbers of adult Muslim refugees wanting to be baptised. A number of them from places like Iran and Irak fled specifically so they could become Christian, which wouldn't have been possible for them at home.

Crann na Beatha

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Spanish Eyes

News on the web saying the murdered woman was the killer's wife. And she was pregnant.

Treat that news with caution for now.

Samaris

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

News on the web saying the murdered woman was the killer's wife. And she was pregnant.

Treat that news with caution for now.

God, that's awful if it's the case. Not that it wasn't awful already.

suicide_circus

Amirani wrote: »

Bad few days for Germany.

Can't really let the actions of 1/2 maniacs dictate policy towards thousands of innocent people.

Whats the magic number?

Spanish Eyes

Samaris wrote: »

God, that's awful if it's the case. Not that it wasn't awful already.

Domestic violence doesn't require a visa or refugee status.

I'm not sure how true it is, but the reports I'm reading seem to think it is.

Either way, the woman is dead, and by horrible means. Sick.

mansize

There are Afghan refugees living on my street and I have no issue with them living here.

martingriff

conditioned games wrote: »

He asked an honest question that you took offence to. Reality is Ireland are bringing these Syrian refugees into parishes around Ireland. Question is relevant to todays society given that we the people have no say in the matter but have to deal with this type of cultural baggage for generations to come.

Yes you are right the question should be asked however what some poster me included was the way the OP phrased the question bu equating machete wielding nuts to been a Syrian or refugees.

Now to answer the OP question.

Would I welcome machete wielding not into my neighborhood? No be the Eurpean, American Middle Eastern or anywhere.

Would I welcome a Syrian? Yes
Would I welcome a refuge? Yes
Would I welcome a Muslim? Yes (As I welcome anyone from any religion, country or race)

Edit were there not a machete nut around the Smithfield fair a year or so ago. From what I remember they were Irish

Edit: I should also like to say this was a horrific murder and I ave no idea the fear she felt. Nor would I want

Ulysses Gaze

More blood on Merkel's hands.

Harry Palmr

Man kills woman with machete and its assumed to be a terrorist attack plot? You know what they say about assumptions - they make an ass out of u and me.

Reading threads on politics.ie suggests boards is where the banned from that site end up.

jimmy blevins

What have they invaded the Sudetenland again?

Widdershins

In answer to the question :Would I welcome a Syrian? Yes-I would be polite to them and assist them if the need arose if that's what welcome means here . I would do so for anyone .
Would I welcome a refuge? As above
Would I welcome a Muslim? As above . I have reservations about their beliefs and the teachings of their holy books and would prefer a secularist muslim neighbour to a neighbour who believes in sharia law for example .

Grayson

JT26 wrote: »

Does Ireland have a registar of the ethnic make up of the refugees they are taking in?
I think the Yazidis in particular should be given priority considering whats happened to them in the conflict.

Shia's are treated just as badly by ISIS. As are christians and everyone else. Even Sunni's that disagree with ISIS are considered as bad. You have to be 100% pro isis or you're nothing.

The_Valeyard

jimmy blevins wrote: »

What have they invaded the Sudetenland again?

Hmm, and they have the Rhineland already...

Crann na Beatha

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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Stigura wrote: »

To your trenches, AH's!

https://www.rt.com/news/353005-machete-wielding-man-attack/

No assumptions here. He's confirmed as a " Syrian Refugee ".

So, AH's: Would you welcome these people into Your parish? (Not suggesting we have any choice, of course).

I take it "these people" are Syrians. So, of course I welcome them. Why not.

Or are "these people" machete wielding lunatics? Of course I wouldn't welcome them.


Or are you lumping the two together?

Hande hoche!

Seems like the kebab shop owner's son hit the attacker with a BMW.

Special Circumstances

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Seems like the kebab shop owner's son hit the attacker with a BMW.

Shocking behaviour, all he needed was a hug.

Who's in bigger trouble I wonder... The kebab shop owner's son or the lawyer/doctor/engineer/architect who was culturally enriching those around him when he was hit.

Spanish Eyes

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Seems like the kebab shop owner's son hit the attacker with a BMW.

Handy that he was just driving by. Wonder if he could be a cuckoo in the nest here?

Not that that will bring the poor lady back from being hacked with a machete.

Domestic Violence and revenge knows no borders.

Shenshen

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Shocking behaviour, all he needed was a hug.

Who's in bigger trouble I wonder... The kebab shop owner's son or the lawyer/doctor/engineer/architect who was culturally enriching those around him when he was hit.

You don't think the kebab shop owner provided cultural enrichment?