Nice - Bastille day **mod warning post 1**

endacl wrote: »

Fault me hoop. The only 'fault' lies with the prick behind the wheel. I hope he died roaring.

France should have doubled his benefits, its clearly their own fault here

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

testaccount123 wrote: »

This guy wants us to think about the feelings of people who rape kids to death and burn apostates alive on camera. Look at this guy everyone.

Yeah. I want us to better understand how their mind ticks, what they're thinking and feeling when they commit to this ideology.

The Israelis have managed to reduce suicide attacks to almost nothing despite being surrounded by Islamicists. Unfortunately, its time to start following their example on how its done.

2016 Jerusalem bus bombing

Almost 1 in 10 residents of Oslo are Muslims. They've never had a suicide attack, nor are they likely to. It would be interesting to discover why Norwegian muslims don't behave like those from France or Belgium, don't you think?

Many ISIS members in Syria and Iraq come from Scandinavian countries, including Norway.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Norway is one of the few European countries that also sent soldiers to Syria to train the Army against so-called ISIS.

Yes. But France's involvement has been over 100s of years in many theatres.

In the " auld enemy" type of thing

ArtSmart wrote: »

Seems at the moment he had no links with terrorist groups.

Described by neighbours as a 'weird loner'. Info is that wife left him recently, he'd become depressed.

It may well be that he was just that, a psycho loner. So could have been of any race. Time will hopefully give us the full picture.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/nice-terror-attack-driver-who-killed-84-on-french-riviera-was-cr/

So maybe no link to any group. Just a crazy incident all to do with the person involved and no one else.

ArtSmart wrote: »

Seems at the moment he had no links with terrorist groups.

Described by neighbours as a 'weird loner'. Info is that wife left him recently, he'd become depressed.

It may well be that he was just that, a psycho loner. So could have been of any race. Time will hopefully give us the full picture.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/nice-terror-attack-driver-who-killed-84-on-french-riviera-was-cr/

Indeed. But " strangely " he is a Muslim , and there is in effect s call from radical sections of Islam to strike in any way you can at the west

Most of the recent attacks have been carried out by " fellow travellers "

BoatMad wrote: »

France has been active recently and historically in many traditional Islamic parts of the world. It has many enemies with long memories. Hence it has long been perceived as an enemy of Islam.

Not all to do with recent activity. There has been bubbling resentment, anger, in the Tunisian/Moroccan/Algerian populations going back to the 1950s. Algerian war of independence, building boom using mainly North African labour in the 1960s, the offspring of those migrants then being isolated (..and isolating themselves) in the French education system and the very burdensome and over bureaucratic labour market. A grey list of who gets what jobs etc..

My grandparents were farmers in a small village in the South of France and the arab population, then, lived in awful shacks on the edge of town. There was a very distinct, us and them vibe. The North African men would make themselves available for crop picking work, a lot of it was cash in hand and that was it, no socialising, not even talking, the non african and african workers took breaks apart, ate and spoke apart.

You have some dark history that is barely known outside France.. Some very very dirty events that show what the popular mood was like, in decades past. Events like the Paris massacre, in 1961.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

Things have moved on, but it is hard to tell by how much. A polarised society, a deeply resentful one.. still exists in parts of France.

testaccount123 wrote: »

An actual reaction seems to be taking an alarmingly long time. The parade of apologists for this murderous ideology every time there is an attack is infuriating.

12% of the US population is African American

37% of the people in Prison is African American

Can you label them with Having a Backwards ideology as well? Or is there something else at play

I do however see similarities in how both groups live and gets treated

timmyntc wrote: »

With a truck full of explosives, there's surely more to it than just a crazy loner?

Link to explosives?

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ok, lets just sit and wait 3 generations and see if your claim comes true (which makes no rational sense... why would it take generations to materialise?)

Countries that are pursuing counterterrorism initiatives, such as France and Belgium, are continuously attacked.

Norway, which has a history of wealth redistribution, integration and good educational structures, and a large, urban Muslim population, has never been attacked by Islamic extremists.

Are you suggesting Norway should stop all that, and behave like Israel and France?

France has an embedded Muslim culture that is not present in Norway where significant Muslim populations are recent.

It's takes time to embed Muslim culture amongst a countries population , seperate school development , religious teaching etc all take time to establish themselves.

In France's case as in Britian the issue is second or even third generation domestic Muslim that be one radicalised by what the see happening in the MA.

In Norway ,as elsewhere , first generation immigrants tend to keep their head down.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well some must do because all we hear in these threads are people claiming that muslim communities are harbouring them and giving g them support.

It aint Middle East we should worry about, but Europe.
One of the Paris attackers was hiding out in Brussels for how long ?
And when he was arrested some of the locals got a little upset.

Winning the war in Iraq and Syria will wipe all of this out and if only ISIS were defeated everyone would be grand is being short sighted.

As for the idea of using nukes on a chunk of wherever is laughable and something you hear some Americans trot out in a bar.

Comparing extremist and fundamental muslims to Christians, Hindus etc is in my mind just trying to obfuscate and basically deflect the problem.

This is a problem that all muslims, in Europe especially and indeed in other parts of the world, are going to have to accept is now a major problem that is linked to their religion.
When do we see the mass protest rallies after a major muslim fundamentalist attack or do we only see them when a cartoon is printed ?

As usually happens in these threads we also get an attempt to obfuscate the debate further by comparing islamic terrorists to the likes of the IRA, ETA, etc.
IRA, ETA were linked to one particular country and one particular cause, the independence or self determination for one particular patch of land.

Islamic terrorists are not linked any one country or the freedom of any one patch of land.
That has long since died with PLO.

But no matter what way you swing it they are all linked to one particular religion and the only discernible aims are to firstly rid their islamic world of western influence, wipe out anyone that doesn't follow their devout interpretation of islam and then spread that to the wider world.
Boko Haram grew out of desire to stop western education.

Fundamentalist islam and islamisation is being pushed by the Saudis and some other gulf states.
That is a huge worry and politicians in the West, bar the right wingers, appear to be ignoring it.
Even worse the government and media turn to these exact people when someone wants to discuss islam.

What is happening would be akin to Bills Gates/Warren Buffet bankrolling churches worldwide that spread the Westboro Baptist Church version of christianity.

People would be screaming from the rooftops, but yet Wahhabism or Salafism is quietly being spread across the world and indeed in Ireland.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I'm anti all religions.

lol