UFC 200 Event Thread - Cormier v Jones 2

darced wrote: »

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:pac: they are always there from Conor Fanboys,Conor Haters to jesus freaks and every other nutter!

even a boring presser. remember mcgregor taking over the podium post UFC 194 lol

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

If it's in Manchester I'll go because it's only over the way, but it's a terrible matchup, Henderson doesn't deserve to be in contention for a fight with anyone in the top 5, never mind a title fight, makes a mockery of the rankings.

Obviously doesn't deserve it but it's just too easy to sell. If they could break into the UK market it would be massive for them and this could make huge ground, especially if it's in Manchester. At the moment McGregor is still better known than Bisping over there.

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

Joe Weider tried to get Pro Bodybuilding into the Olympics, drugs are banned in bodybuilding, they test them too. you think those guys are clean? how about elite power-lifters

do you honestly believe WWE wrestlers dont use anabolic steroids ,hgh or similar?

They don't test for steroids in pro bodybuilding.

The WWE "test" but it's a joke. Self testing, control of the results. One guy got caught last month, banned for 30 days, but I'd appearing on the PPV in the middle. It's nonsense

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The money fight for the UFC is clearly Weidman fighting for the belt in MSG.

weidman fighting anyone in msg is a big fight, bisping getting a big homecoming and a shot at revenge on a juicer is too big an opportunity to pass up imo

Wompa1 wrote: »

WWE actually use a third party company for testing but not the FDA...I don't think they could use the FDA though since it's not a sanctioned sport.

Many of their talent have been caught in drug testing. Brock works a part time schedule so it's possible he doesn't get tested as regularly as the others. He was caught in his early 20's for having illegal HGH. Interestingly he lives in Canada now which has much stricter laws about steroids and performance enhancers than the United States. He also passed all of the FDA drug tests leading up to the fight. I wonder when the last time Silva was tested in the lead up to tonight.

Yeah none of that is true.

The FDA have nothing to do with drug testing.
If you are taking about USADA, then the WWE could contract them to test. The same way UFC, IBJJF etc contract USADA (non Olympic sports).

The use a third party, but not an independent 3rd party. They caught Roman Reigns last month, told the WWE, who scripted him to lose the belt before they announced his 30 day ban. But they have him back on the PPV before the 30 days are up.

The WWE test the same way that crossfit text. They have to be seen to do something. Christ the Tour De France is tested.
People saying Brock wasn't be on steroids because WWE is tested are clueless. Also saying "he has always looked that way" is nonsense too.

Just to add, I'm not trying to take anything from Brock. I'm just pointing out what I believe the facts to be. I've also defended him re the "exemption". He was liable for testing from the moment he signed, just like every other fighter.

He's a phenomenal wrestler, and that's how he won. MMA fans are a fickle bunch.

UFC 1: Royce dominates. Grappling is king, skill beats size.
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UFC 200: Lesnar only won because he is big and strong
:rolleyes:

It's like nobody has ever watched MMA before tonight. The ****e talk in the pub was worse

Mellor wrote:

I agree with a lot of your post, the the above isn't true. He's only been tested for a few weeks by USADA. WWE testing is what, 4 times a year? That's nothing. Is it the same for part-timers?

Mellor wrote:

Not doubt Brock has passed some tests. But a UFC fighter will be tested 4 times in competition for a fight. Plus out of comp testing. McGregor is the most tested fighter afaik, probably been tested 20 times in the last 12months.

As I understand it, all WWE talent (part-time or full time) will be tested a minimum of 4 times a year. That doesn't include random testing and testing based on reasonable suspicion. Refusal to test is treated as a positive test too. So basically as it's written, they test you when they demand it. You obviously know a little bit about wrestling seeing as you mentioned Reigns.

Something I meant to point out when you said Reigns has been suspended but is appearing in the middle of his ban, not exactly true. They were smart about it, it was a 30 day suspension, the PPV he is scheduled to appear on was at the time 32 days away, so he would be back after his suspension. They used to allow suspended talent appear on the show a few years ago when testing was relatively new, the idea being was they would allow suspended talent to appear so as not to mess up their storylines, but wouldn't pay said talent for said appearences.

This was changed when stockholders were critical of the example it was setting. Which is another point, WWE isn't a private company like the UFC, it's public, any Tom, Dick or Harry can own some of WWE right now if they wanted to. It's half the reason the drug testing was re-introduced, it's not in their interest to have a shady drug policy/testing, they have to be as transparent as they can to keep the shareholders happy. Reigns getting caught is the example of this, he is their golden boy at the moment, if they were going to cover any result up it would have been this guy, he's the person they're essentially building the entire company around at the moment. As you mentioned McGregor getting tested a lot, similar story in WWE according to interviews with the wrestlers, they all get tested 4 times a year minimum, but it seems the bigger the name you are the more tests you will be subjected to.

Now when it comes to Brock, as you mentioned he's only there part time, it's very easy from the outside looking in to say oh that means he doesn't get tested as much etc. I personally disagree with this line of thinking, think about it, if he gets suspended, so what? He's statistically likely to not even be involved in the program if he was ever caught, so it wouldn't effect either party realistically. I know he agreed to do a show in Japan for them, arrived and was tested. And I'm pretty sure Lesnar has said before sometimes he'll get a call and have to go and be tested. I get why people have this attitude towards wrestling because it did have a large steroid culture to it, but it's a culture that's mostly died out since Chris Benoit, most guys are notably smaller and leaner and the big guys that are still there have gotten noticeably flabbier haha. As someone who is a huge fan of MMA and pro wrestling, it baffles me how MMA fans look down on it so much, when they share a hell of a lot in common and a lot of MMA fighters tend be large wrestling fans (McGregor and Ronda for example) and vice versa.

Anyways I feel like we're sort of going way off the topic here so I'm going to stop here. All in all it was a good show I felt. It didn't reinvent the wheel but considering the drama and circumstances surrounding it they did a good job of pulling it off.

Omackeral wrote: »

Also, look at pics of Brock Lesnar from high school and college. Has always been a massive freak of a guy. Always has been.

That's a college pic Id guess. College athletes use steroids.
Wasn't he caught with a load of prohormones when he was in college, before they were illegal.