11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

My name is URL · 09-07-2016 03:07AM

walshyn93 wrote: »

I didn't say it required talent, but I happen to think it probably does require some amount of skill to do what he did. Given the level of planning required I think attempts to dismiss him as a lunatic are fairly transparent.

Media calling him a coward too. I never really got that line of reasoning tbh.

What he did is all sorts of things, but cowardly isn't one of them.

You hear the same thing said about mass murderers too.. or ISIS members and every other sort of militia or terrorist group.

Maybe it's to make viewers find it all easier to digest.

"They're cowards/ idiots/ brainwashed"

Anything to dehumanise. Nobody wants to believe that regular people are capable of heinous acts... but they are. History has shown it time and time again.

walshyn93 · 09-07-2016 03:17AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Media calling him a coward too. I never really got that line of reasoning tbh.

What he did is all sorts of things, but cowardly isn't one of them.

You hear the same thing said about mass murderers too.. or ISIS members and every other sort of militia or terrorist group.

Maybe it's to make viewers find it all easier to digest.

"They're cowards/ idiots/ brainwashed"

Anything to dehumanise. Nobody wants to believe that regular people are capable of heinous acts... but they are. History has shown it time and time again.

Indeed. I can see the logic behind dismissing or undermining him though. The majority of people aren't capable of accepting that someone can be both brave and evil at the same time.

He might very rationally want to increase racial tensions for his political ends or indeed believe that targeting cops will make them change their behaviour for better or for worse.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 09-07-2016 03:30AM

There is a terrible problem with black crime in America, you can trace this back to the Lyndon Johnson and the welfare state.

They created ghettos, high unemployment areas, a breeding ground for criminals. Blacks make 13% of the population in the US, poor black males living in ghettos make up 4% of the population. Black males are responsible for for 52.5% of all homicides in the US per annum.

This statistic is staggering. There is obviously a terrible problem with crime, gangs and violence in poor black communities.

The thing is though that nearly all of this occurs in metropolitan areas in big cities ruled by Democrat local government. Blacks overwhelmingly vote Dem, it's about 85 to 15.

Dems use them of course for voting purposes. Thomas Sowell states if his fellow blacks want to see real effort to combat the social destruction that Johnson's policies brought about to black neighbourhoods then maybe they should consider voting Republican.

Lyaiera · 09-07-2016 03:32AM

walshyn93 wrote: »

He might very rationally want to increase racial tensions for his political ends or indeed believe that targeting cops will make them change their behaviour for better or for worse.

Maybe he wants to inspire the foundation of a well armed militia to fight against the tyranny of the government? As is the right of any constitution believing, patriotic American.

walshyn93 · 09-07-2016 03:35AM

Lyaiera wrote: »

Maybe he wants to inspire the foundation of a well armed militia to fight against the tyranny of the government? As is the right of any constitution believing, patriotic American.

Maybe he does. That is what the 2nd Amendment is for after all.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 09-07-2016 03:41AM

As Sowell states also, who put a stop to slavery in the US? The GOP.

Members of which party founded the Ku Klux Klan? The Democrat Party.

Manic Moran · 09-07-2016 05:49AM

Gatling wrote: »

Manic Moran wrote: »

Local police here in CA have started using drones to tail suspects, in a manner similar to the use of helicopters prior to that. .

Small dji type drones or similar Manic ?

Apologies for the off topicness

SJPD is using a Neo 660, if it's a help.

Manic Moran · 09-07-2016 05:55AM

orubiru wrote: »

Christy42 wrote: »

Sure I'll join you in white lives matter once we bring down the proportion of black men killed?

The police should not be killing civilians AT ALL.

You are proposing telling a police force that we aren't concerned that they've killed 556 people so far this year, we are more concerned that 136 of them are black.

How about just trying to get that 556 figure down to 0?

The problem is that you're only looking at half the argument. There is also a problem in that in the US, folks think it OK to shoot at cops. Last year 12 Texas cops were killed by gunfire. If people stop shooting at cops, the cops would be shooting fewer people. The raw number of 556 is irrelevant to the police who just want to go home at night. The number to be worried about is -unjustified- police shootings, which I strongly suspect to be far lower

Manic Moran · 09-07-2016 06:14AM

I'm on iPad, haven't figured out multi quote yet.

Manic Moran wrote: »

Gatling wrote: »

One thing that will come of this is the next stage of the militarisation of police forces across America.
Where the public was saying that police forces don't need MRAPs mine resistant vehicles from the army used is Afghanistan and heavy calibre sniper rifles along with other kit issued to military in war zones .
Now this will be used as a reason to give the police military equipment for likely a non existent threat for the most part

To assault the Pulse nightclub, the police used such an armored vehicle. There was a bank raid here in California a year before last with so many bullets going around that in addition to 13 cruisers, one of the armored cars was also disabled, the police needed to borrow another from the next jurisdiction over. People may not like the "militarization" of police, but those armored vehicles are necessary.

Manic Moran · 09-07-2016 06:29AM

FWIW, a sniper is trained to shoot concealed, and then egress. A marksman (US Army terminology) is someone who can shoot well at a distance, and is usually given better equipment for the job (eg Designated Marksman Rifle, the M21) but is not given any particular training in concealment, neither is he expected to remain unspotted as he services targets. Seems to me that our chap here was a standard rifleman starting in ambush.

frag420 · 09-07-2016 08:00AM

walshyn93 wrote: »

How do you know he's delusional? Have you met him?

Did you miss the part when he opened fire with an automatic rifle aiming at police and anyone a couple of shades lighter than him?

FortySeven · 09-07-2016 08:21AM

frag420 wrote: »

Did you miss the part when he opened fire with an automatic rifle aiming at police and anyone a couple of shades lighter than him?

That does not make him delusional.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-07-2016 08:24AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Media calling him a coward too. I never really got that line of reasoning tbh.

What he did is all sorts of things, but cowardly isn't one of them.

You hear the same thing said about mass murderers too.. or ISIS members and every other sort of militia or terrorist group.

Maybe it's to make viewers find it all easier to digest.

"They're cowards/ idiots/ brainwashed"

Anything to dehumanise. Nobody wants to believe that regular people are capable of heinous acts... but they are. History has shown it time and time again.

You cant get more lower then blowing up innocent kids and women for no reason.

Same with innocent policemen who want serve the public for greater good.

What they did is cowardly act, as they target people who can't defend themselves. That is a coward, no doubt about it.

tomofson · 09-07-2016 09:50AM

And if the attitude of the american police force towards the black community doesn't change sharpish then this will become a common thing in america...

Alfred Borden · 09-07-2016 10:01AM

Wow

https://twitter.com/madihahali1/status/751531861197946885

tomofson · 09-07-2016 10:07AM

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Wow

https://twitter.com/madihahali1/status/751531861197946885

He probably didnt want to show he's face cause he's a member of the police force

joe swanson · 09-07-2016 10:11AM

The reaction to these shootings from the usual crowd is beyond disgusting. Innocent policemen shot dead protecting a portion of the community that hates them. The facts are that proportionately american police men kill more white men than black men but dont let that get in the way of hysteria. In a society where gun ownership and carrying of same is so widespread being a policeman is a very dangerous job.

Shame on anybody trying to justify this massacre.

RustyNut · 09-07-2016 10:13AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What they did is cowardly act, as they target people who can't defend themselves. That is a coward, no doubt about it.

Now are you talking about the police officers who shoot unarmed black people or armed black people who shoot armed police officers?

Andrewf20 · 09-07-2016 10:15AM

Didn't the nra suggest that by allowing the general public to have guns, they can then intervene and take down assassins like in this case. And yet again it simply doesn't happen in reality.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-07-2016 10:18AM

RustyNut wrote: »

Now are you talking about the police officers who shoot unarmed black people or armed black people who shoot armed police officers?

Are you seriously suggesting that it's OK to shoot Police officers?

I have to state again I'm against any Black man or any colour getting shot for no reason. Jail for any Policeman as they are not above the law.

Your post is load of bollocks

tritium · 09-07-2016 10:19AM

Jayop wrote: »

Rather than blame Obama for stating the obvious, why not blame the cops for being racist in the first place.

Either that or blame the people shooting them. Why pick someone who literally just said what anyone with eyes could see? An axe to grind perhaps?

A small number of cops do something bad to blacks so all cops are racist'?

I'm assuming you don't apply the correspondi g logic that a small number of black people targetting whites implied blacks are racist?

tritium · 09-07-2016 10:21AM

RustyNut wrote: »

Now are you talking about the police officers who shoot unarmed black people or armed black people who shoot armed police officers?

Shoot police officers with high powered sniper rifles in an ambush you mean?

Gatling · 09-07-2016 10:21AM

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Wow

https://twitter.com/madihahali1/status/751531861197946885

And it's all the fatherless blackmens fault ..

Pretty obvious the Hick has never read a bible in his life

Discodog · 09-07-2016 10:22AM

The Police have also raised another ethical issue by using a remote delivery bomb to kill the gunman.

Gatling · 09-07-2016 10:23AM

Discodog wrote: »

The Police have also raised another ethical issue by using a remote delivery bomb to kill the gunman.

Certainly blurred the lines between policing and warfare with that tactic

screamer · 09-07-2016 10:25AM

Discodog wrote: »

The Police have also raised another ethical issue by using a remote delivery bomb to kill the gunman.

How so? Should that have risked more lives in order to take him out? He wanted to kill more of them and he would have if given the chance. So what is unethical about what they did? In the cirvumstances that we're faced with I don't see many options ethical or otherwise

lawlolawl · 09-07-2016 10:27AM

Gatling wrote: »

Certainly blurred the lines between policing and warfare with that tactic

Whereas the guy sniping people with a rifle didn't?

Bob24 · 09-07-2016 10:27AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What they did is cowardly act, as they target people who can't defend themselves. That is a coward, no doubt about it.

There are a lot negative adjectives I would use to describe what these people did, but coward is not one of them.

When you know the only 2 possible outcomes to what you are doing are death and spending most of your life in jail, and willingly decide to go ahead anyway, you are not a coward.

screamer · 09-07-2016 10:28AM

Bob24 wrote: »

There are a lot negative adjectives I would use to describe what these people did, but coward is not one of them.

When you know the only 2 possible outcomes to what you are doing are death and spending most of your life in jail, and willingly decide to go ahead anyway, you are not a coward.

No just stupid

tritium · 09-07-2016 10:28AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

The problem is that you're only looking at half the argument. There is also a problem in that in the US, folks think it OK to shoot at cops. Last year 12 Texas cops were killed by gunfire. If people stop shooting at cops, the cops would be shooting fewer people. The raw number of 556 is irrelevant to the police who just want to go home at night. The number to be worried about is -unjustified- police shootings, which I strongly suspect to be far lower

Actually the Washington post database so eone linked me to earlier is fasci nating in that respect. Remove the cases where a weapon or active attack was involved and the numbers, fairly understandably plummet. Still too high mind you, but actually well below the numbers of cops being murdered on duty, which sits at a steady 160ish most years

11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

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