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11 police shot, 4 officers dead after coordinated sniper fire at Dallas protest rally

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  • #452
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    I have no idea. I asked for an example within the last 3 years because I'm familiar with most of the famous shootings and know all the evidence. I'm expected to take these radio hosts words as gospel? Nah. More recent examples please.

    In what post did you ask for examples within a timeframe?


  • #453
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    beach_walker wrote: »
    Oh I think you can.

    1 - (What I asked) Do BLM have some responsibility for this? What do you think?

    2 - Are the American police trigger happy? Yes, no doubt.


    Unlike some posters here, I don't think the answer to 2 is to shoot the police or encourage people to do so. But that's just me.

    2 - Let's keep it in perspective shall we?

    It makes no sense to compare American police to European police because America is not Europe and Europe is not America.

    The question should not be are American police trigger happy, because that's subjective and we have no good basis for comparison.

    The question is are American police more trigger happy than American criminals? I would argue that on average they are far less trigger happy.

    You have to take everything in its proper context. You can't hold American police to European standards with American criminals. There is a totally different criminal culture in the US and it demands a totally different policing culture. That means police do need to be more cautious for their own safety and more aggressive with suspects. It's a much more difficult line to tread.


  • #454
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭20Cent


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    The fact that the phrase "All lives matter" is more offensive to BLM supporters than "**** the police" tells you all you need to know. And the fact that that will continue to be the case in light of these events will be the perfect exposition of these angsty fatherless sociopaths.

    All lives matter is designed to dilute the message black lives matter. It's like complaining that the Irish cancer society don't collect money for all diseases. They have a legitimate complain


  • #455
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    The fact that the phrase "All lives matter" is more offensive to BLM supporters than "**** the police" tells you all you need to know. And the fact that that will continue to be the case in light of these events will be the perfect exposition of these angsty fatherless sociopaths.

    This was posted elsewhere.
    Imagine that you’re sitting down to dinner with your family, and while everyone else gets a serving of the meal, you don’t get any. So you say “I should get my fair share.” And as a direct response to this, your dad corrects you, saying, “everyone should get their fair share.” Now, that’s a wonderful sentiment — indeed, everyone should, and that was kinda your point in the first place: that you should be a part of everyone, and you should get your fair share also. However, dad’s smart-ass comment just dismissed you and didn’t solve the problem that you still haven’t gotten any!


  • #456
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    You're finding it hard to answer a simple question, friend.

    I wasn't asked any question, friend. I'm just stating facts - if you want to have a discussion about Black Lives Matter, you can't have one in isolation. If you're going to talk about them as a group, you have to talk about whey they exist.


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  • #457
    njjj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭njjj


    How come i never heard of this news?


  • #458
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    RustyNut wrote: »
    In what post did you ask for examples within a timeframe?

    Sorry, thought you were the other lad. A few posts up


  • #459
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    super_furry wrote: »
    I wasn't asked any question, friend. I'm just stating facts - if you want to have a discussion about Black Lives Matter, you can't have one in isolation. If you're going to talk about them as a group, you have to talk about whey they exist.

    "Do you think they and their rhetoric about cop killers/killing, racial hatred and anti-police sentiment had anything to do with this?"

    Someone else asked you this


  • #460
    beach_walker
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Didn't NWA the hip hop group say similar stuff back in the 90s .funny that some of them did quite well for themselves .
    No Mass shooting Leo's either here we have a single incident and BLM is to blame

    Well... I mean the shooter did cite BLM. Or do you know his motivations better than he does (did)?


    What do you think BLM marches mean when they chant

    "What do we want? Dead cops!
    When do we want it? Now!"


  • #461
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    This was posted elsewhere.

    That's so much worse than calling for the death of police officers.


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  • #462
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    20Cent wrote: »
    All lives matter is designed to dilute the message black lives matter. It's like complaining that the Irish cancer society don't collect money for all diseases. They have a legitimate complain

    No it's designed to remind black lives matter that other people's lives matter too. Something they clearly haven't grasped.

    They don't even believe black lives matter. They've no problem with black on black violence. They just hate cops. It is a hate group through and through.


  • #463
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    I have no idea. I asked for an example within the last 3 years because I'm familiar with most of the famous shootings and know all the evidence. I'm expected to take these radio hosts words as gospel? Nah. More recent examples please.


    In 2013, Russell Rios shot and killed by Sgt Jason Blackwelde in texas and subsequently found guilty of making false statements and manslaughter.

     New Mexico, 2 have been charged with first degree murder after shooting a homeless man in the hills behind the city as he appeared to surrender ( video was hard to watch after posted on here )

    Last September, Jonathan Ferrell, 24, a former college football player, was shot by Officer Randall Kerrick as he attempted to get help after being involved a car crash late at night inCharlotte, North Carolina.

    A woman alarmed by Farrell knocking and yelling at her door at two o'clock in the morning called police.

    By the time Mr Kerrick had arrived, Ferrell had walked away, looking for help elsewhere. What happened next is disputed, but it ended with Mr Kerrick shooting at the 24-year-old 12 times, 10 of the shots hitting Ferrell.

    Mr Kerrick's own police department said the shooting was "excessive" and said he "did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon" during the incident.

    Prosecutors brought the case to a grand jury, and when they did not charge Kerrick, the state argued the jury had not had enough people and convened a second grand jury, which did indict.
    (Due to face trial this year )
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  • #464
    beach_walker
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    walshyn93 wrote: »
    The question should not be are American police trigger happy, because that's subjective and we have no good basis for comparison.

    Really disagree. Apart from the many shootings, purely anecdotally I was pulled over once in the States. It's well weird seeing the cop approach your car with his hand hovering near his pistol. I mean fuking hell, mad stuff.


  • #465
    beans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭beans


    Gatling wrote: »
    beach_walker wrote: »
    Wait a minute, let's stick to BLM. The goal posts can be moved afterwards. Do you think they and their rhetoric about cop killers/killing, racial hatred and anti-police sentiment had anything to do with this? I mean the killer most certainly did think so.


    Will things change in america - No

    Well then what's the fukcing point?


  • #466
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    It's a fairly gloomy situation. The police will understandably be very jumpy so risk shooting more people. The cops shooting people could elicit further reprisals which will make the cops even more nervous... and so on, and so on.

    I hope to goodness it all calms down and nobody else gets hurt.

    in Chicago it didnt work like that, Cops were lees inclined to engage with people in the black areas of the city resulting in less active policing and a hige increase in murders

    http://heyjackass.com/

    Its more politically acceptable for politicians to allow black communities to exterminate themselves than to allow the police to tackle the criminality in those communities.

    Police are now understandably less inclined to draw the label of racism just or doing for their jobs. cant say blame them .


  • #467
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Gatling wrote: »
    In 2013, Russell Rios shot and killed by Sgt Jason Blackwelde in texas and subsequently found guilty of making false statements and manslaughter.

     New Mexico, 2 have been charged with first degree murder after shooting a homeless man in the hills behind the city as he appeared to surrender ( video was hard to watch after posted on here )

    Last September, Jonathan Ferrell, 24, a former college football player, was shot by Officer Randall Kerrick as he attempted to get help after being involved a car crash late at night inCharlotte, North Carolina.

    A woman alarmed by Farrell knocking and yelling at her door at two o'clock in the morning called police.

    By the time Mr Kerrick had arrived, Ferrell had walked away, looking for help elsewhere. What happened next is disputed, but it ended with Mr Kerrick shooting at the 24-year-old 12 times, 10 of the shots hitting Ferrell.

    Mr Kerrick's own police department said the shooting was "excessive" and said he "did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon" during the incident.

    Prosecutors brought the case to a grand jury, and when they did not charge Kerrick, the state argued the jury had not had enough people and convened a second grand jury, which did indict.
    (Due to face trial this year )

    So where is the ones of them getting away with it?


  • #468
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    in Chicago it didnt work like that, Cops were lees inclined to engage with people in the black areas of the city resulting in less active policing and a hige increase in murders

    http://heyjackass.com/

    Its more politically acceptable for politicians to allow black communities to exterminate themselves than to allow the police to tackle the criminality in those communities.

    Police are now understandably less inclined to draw the label of racism just or doing for their jobs. cant say blame them .

    All that's going to happen is the gangs are going to take even more control of these areas and make things worse for the people living there. But the spoiled black middle class brats in BLM don't actually care about black people. They only care about themselves.


  • #469
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    beans wrote: »
    Well then what's the fukcing point?

    That's the point exactly .


    A garda says boo to an anti water protester we get ambulances and screams of police brutality.
    Cops get shot in america because of of the proceived unjustified killings of civilians let's blame every one else.

    Let's not mention the lage white elephant in the room
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  • #470
    mynamejeff
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    beach_walker wrote: »


    What do you think BLM marches mean when they chant

    "What do we want? Dead cops!
    When do we want it? Now!"

    Substitute Cop with Mexican Irish or god forbid Black and it would be a legitimate hate crime


    Man liberals suck dead donkey DciK


  • #471
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    "Do you think they and their rhetoric about cop killers/killing, racial hatred and anti-police sentiment had anything to do with this?"

    Someone else asked you this

    No they didn't, friend.


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  • #472
    [Deleted User]
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    Authorities seem to be going with the one suspect theory. Does this mean then that the videoed incident of the policeman being shot and killed behind the pillar may have been the first incident? Thereafter he moved into the high rise building and continued his attacks from there?


  • #473
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sources are claiming the shooter used a near 70 year old russian made sks rifle and a pistol in the shooting .
    Not exactly a go to weapon if your planning a mass shooting considering the multitude of options firearms readily available in the US
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  • #474
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Gatling wrote: »
    Sources are claiming the shooter used a near 70 year old russian made sks rifle and a pistol in the shooting .
    Not exactly a go to weapon if your planning a mass shooting considering the multitude of options firearms readily available in the US

    Could be some old Black Panthers gear. A new sniper rifle would be fairly pricey anyway.


  • #475
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Could be some old Black Panthers gear. A new sniper rifle would be fairly pricey anyway.

    Highly doubt that.

    A decent semi auto and scope state side can be bought a few hundred dollars
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  • #476
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Gatling wrote: »
    Highly doubt that.

    A decent semi auto and scope state side can be bought a few hundred dollars

    A run of the mill AR15 might be cheap, but if you want a heavy calibre it's going to cost you.


  • #477
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    A run of the mill AR15 might be cheap, but if you want a heavy calibre it's going to cost you.

    You don't need heavy calibre in the majority of mass shootings in america in the last few decades pistols and shotguns have been the choice of most shooters along with various stoner design semi automatics.

    You rarely see heavy calibre been used in crimes like mass shootings
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  • #478
    walshyn93
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    Gatling wrote: »
    You don't need heavy calibre in the majority of mass shootings in america in the last few decades pistols and shotguns have been the choice of most shooters along with various stoner design semi automatics.

    You rarely see heavy calibre been used in crimes like mass shootings

    This wasn't your average mass shooting. This was a sniper so he would need a high caliber to be lethal at long distances. As it turns out, he was.


  • #479
    Christy42
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    beach_walker wrote: »
    Well... I mean the shooter did cite BLM. Or do you know his motivations better than he does (did)?


    What do you think BLM marches mean when they chant

    "What do we want? Dead cops!
    When do we want it? Now!"

    http://www.msnbc.com/the-reid-report/the-truth-about-the-dead-cops-chant

    This chant or did I miss something? In the article the organisers of the March disown any encouragement of violence.


  • #480
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    The fact that the phrase "All lives matter" is more offensive to BLM supporters than "**** the police" tells you all you need to know. And the fact that that will continue to be the case in light of these events will be the perfect exposition of these angsty fatherless sociopaths.

    So where does the fatherless comment come from and what are you attempting to imply with it?


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  • #481
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    This wasn't your average mass shooting. This was a sniper so he would need a high caliber to be lethal at long distances. As it turns out, he was.

    Your actually wrong
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