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Tractor trailer hitch question

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  • #32
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,609 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    dunlopwellies wrote: »
    ADJUSTABLE MOUNTING COUPLING
    https://www.trailerstuff.ie/p/673:c:210_179_37_46/shop-by-category/trailer-accessories/couplings/height-adjustable-couplings/dixon-bate-extended-height-adjustable-coupling/

    Something like this that your looking for? There was something similar for the tractor drawbar on donedeal a while back. I think it was called a load level or something.
    Also the type of drawbar from a road compressor made by Bradley too I think might work as a bolt on solution. Should be load rated and braked.
    How is that connected to the tractor?


  • #33
    barnaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭barnaman


    Lads messing with couplings etc just get ye in trouble IMO. Trailer is certified as a whole and that includes the couplings which must be installed correctly. Now this being Ireland we all know could get ignored but all that is changing.

    http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Std%20Leg/Information%20Notes/Light%20Trailer%20Stakeholder%20Note.pdf


  • #34
    orm0nd
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    barnaman wrote: »
    I would say yes Reggie it would be. Trailer as a whole is certified. You take off the hitch it is certified with. You are then modifying it/building/contructing it new trailer or hitch could be looked at both ways Who is certfiying the eye you put on? Are you qualified to do welding etc. Thats way Guards would look at it.

    http://www.mayonews.ie/news/27702-mayo-gardai-accused-of-targeting-agri-contractors

    Thats the court case. Covered in this weeks journal and spoke to a lad from up that part of the world. The more serious charges of licence, tacho etc were dimissed by judge as area was unclear.


    I know that trailer well, if Damien had a decent solicitor or if Farrelly was worth his salt that case would have been dimissed.


  • #35
    whelan2
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    If you are pulled in by the rsa they will very rarely let you go without doing you for something. Oh was pulled in last year a week after he got through the doe, they did him for a split pin missing on the back axle of the trailer :eek: He had 10 days to fix it up and send them a photo of it fixed.


  • #36
    Night Nav
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    Would I be right in saying if you were pulling 1 of these 3 axle jeep trailers behind a tractor with 5. 700 kg cattle it would be illegal because you would be over the designed gross weight of the trailer


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  • #37
    Zimmerframe
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    Night Nav wrote: »
    Would I be right in saying if you were pulling 1 of these 3 axle jeep trailers behind a tractor with 5. 700 kg cattle it would be illegal because you would be over the designed gross weight of the trailer

    Yes it would be illegal.


  • #38
    mayota
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    Night Nav wrote: »
    Would I be right in saying if you were pulling 1 of these 3 axle jeep trailers behind a tractor with 5. 700 kg cattle it would be illegal because you would be over the designed gross weight of the trailer

    Yes.


  • #39
    Bass Reeves
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    Night Nav wrote: »
    Would I be right in saying if you were pulling 1 of these 3 axle jeep trailers behind a tractor with 5. 700 kg cattle it would be illegal because you would be over the designed gross weight of the trailer
    Zimmerframe wrote: »
    Yes it would be illegal.

    Them trailers (14X6 I presume) will hold six bullocks that weight and are often pulled by jeeps. That would be a gross weight of over 5 ton. This will become an issue over time as the guards enforce the law strictly.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #40
    paddysdream
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    Night Nav wrote: »
    Would I be right in saying if you were pulling 1 of these 3 axle jeep trailers behind a tractor with 5. 700 kg cattle it would be illegal because you would be over the designed gross weight of the trailer

    Looking at IF site weight of 14" x 5' 10" 2 axle is 1155 kg and plated for 3500 kg gross so that allows you 2345 kg of cattle or sheep on board assuming your towing vehicle is plated to tow 3500kg.3 axle is 110 kg heavier so 110 kg less livestock.Doesn't mention whether this includes decks or not.Extra axle only reduces the allowable load weight from a towing point of view.
    Many 4x4 are 3000 kg or even 2800kg towing limit.
    Think these figures are what the makers put on them for our market and thats what the limits are based on.
    Not much point plating a trailer for 4000kg when no van maker has,as far as I know,plated a vehicle for this towing weight in Ireland.


  • #41
    Bass Reeves
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    paddysdream wrote: »
    Looking at IF site weight of 14" x 5' 10" 2 axle is 1155 kg and plated for 3500 kg gross so that allows you 2345 kg of cattle or sheep on board assuming your towing vehicle is plated to tow 3500kg.3 axle is 110 kg heavier so 110 kg less livestock.Doesn't mention whether this includes decks or not.Extra axle only reduces the allowable load weight from a towing point of view.
    Many 4x4 are 3000 kg or even 2800kg towing limit.
    Think these figures are what the makers put on them for our market and thats what the limits are based on.
    Not much point plating a trailer for 4000kg when no van maker has,as far as I know,plated a vehicle for this towing weight in Ireland.[/QUOTE]

    Nissan Patrol had two models that were plated to tow in excess of 4 ton. We will have to look out for a cheap one. Both seem to be petrol models.

    http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capacity.asp

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • #42
    Night Nav
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    Them trailers (14X6 I presume) will hold six bullocks that weight and are often pulled by jeeps. That would be a gross weight of over 5 ton. This will become an issue over time as the guards enforce the law strictly.

    I understand they are pulled by jeeps most of the time and understand they can take 6 bullocks but the point I'm making some few lads might think by buying them cheap and pulling them with a tractor that they would not be breaking the law but they would


  • #43
    Reggie.
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    Night Nav wrote: »
    Them trailers (14X6 I presume) will hold six bullocks that weight and are often pulled by jeeps. That would be a gross weight of over 5 ton. This will become an issue over time as the guards enforce the law strictly.

    I understand they are pulled by jeeps most of the time and understand they can take 6 bullocks but the point I'm making some few lads might think by buying them cheap and pulling them with a tractor that they would not be breaking the law but they would

    That's what I was thinking alright but with a towing eye


  • #44
    barnaman
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    http://www.autoandtrailer.com/spring-damped/

    3 tonne seem to be the max coupling for most of these standard bradley trailers.

    http://www.autoandtrailer.com/50mm-replacment-3500kg-bradley-eye/

    what you going for Reggie?


  • #45
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,609 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    barnaman wrote: »
    http://www.autoandtrailer.com/spring-damped/

    3 tonne seem to be the max coupling for most of these standard bradley trailers.

    http://www.autoandtrailer.com/50mm-replacment-3500kg-bradley-eye/

    what you going for Reggie?

    Was thinking of it but thought it would have a higher towing limit than 3500kg. Must be the drawbar that's the limiting factor


  • #46
    Night Nav
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    That's what I was thinking alright but with a towing eye[/quote]

    Trailer still plated for 3500kg and if you were to put a towing eye on it I would think it would have to be certified by the manufacturer or someone similar which I know is all a load of ......


  • #47
    rangler1
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    That's what I was thinking alright but with a towing eye

    Drawbars are very short on jeep trailers if your thinking of puting them on the PUH and then the V shape of the drawbar leaves it nearer to the tractor wheels again.
    Ball hitch on the tractor drawbar is probably the most straight forward,
    If i was doing it, I'd buy another drawbar and tighten the ball hitch on it proPerly and weld the nut. Nuts can be difficult to keep tight on them if you're taking them off and on


  • #48
    Bass Reeves
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    Drawbars are very short on jeep trailers if your thinking of puting them on the PUH and then the V shape of the drawbar leaves it nearer to the tractor wheels again.
    Ball hitch on the tractor drawbar is probably the most straight forward,
    If i was doing it, I'd buy another drawbar and tighten the ball hitch on it proPerly and weld the nut. Nuts can be difficult to keep tight on them if you're taking them off and on


    Problem is that with the trailer you are still limited to 3.5 ton even when towing by a tractor. A 14X6 box can carry 6 cattle 700-750kgs with box this is a gross weight of nearly 5.5 ton. I wonder would it be possible to get the trailer replated if you used a higher capacity hitch. You can get towing eye's rated to 5 ton. However even if you did this you are caught by the fact that most drawbars are higher than the tow bar of the trailer. That issue might be possible to overcome with a adapter that fits into a standard drawbar.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #49
    barnaman
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    3.5 tonnes with a B licence and 7 tonnes with a BE licence and that includes vehicle, trailer and load so that makes most of these cattle trailers penalty point makers.


  • #50
    Eggie99
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    Lads be very carefully of what info your putting out here, a BE licence only covers upto 3500kg gross weight, that's car/jeep plus trailer plus load. You need a C1E licence to go upto 7500kg gross weight. Check out rsa website for clarification, pub talk has been known to get lads in bother before so clarify for yourselves before getting into bother cause you take someone on here at there word vrs clarity from the governing body


  • #51
    davidk1394
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    So if I was going to do a test would I be better off to go for the truck licence?


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  • #52
    rangler1
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    davidk1394 wrote: »
    So if I was going to do a test would I be better off to go for the truck licence?

    You'd have to do truck license first and then artic license before you'd be qualified you drive jeep with a trailer......truck license isn't enough


  • #53
    Reggie.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,609 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    rangler1 wrote: »
    You'd have to do truck license first and then artic license before you'd be qualified you drive jeep with a trailer......truck license isn't enough

    Can ya not do the rigid with trailer


  • #54
    Night Nav
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    Eggie99 wrote: »
    Lads be very carefully of what info your putting out here, a BE licence only covers upto 3500kg gross weight, that's car/jeep plus trailer plus load. You need a C1E licence to go upto 7500kg gross weight. Check out rsa website for clarification, pub talk has been known to get lads in bother before so clarify for yourselves before getting into bother cause you take someone on here at there word vrs clarity from the governing body

    3500kg gross weight is a B licence pulling a single axle trailer .......


  • #55
    paddysdream
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    Eggie99 wrote: »
    Lads be very carefully of what info your putting out here, a BE licence only covers upto 3500kg gross weight, that's car/jeep plus trailer plus load. You need a C1E licence to go upto 7500kg gross weight. Check out rsa website for clarification, pub talk has been known to get lads in bother before so clarify for yourselves before getting into bother cause you take someone on here at there word vrs clarity from the governing body
    You should really read the site,A cat. BE licence covers you up to a weight limit of 7000kg.Thats trailer gross(3500kg as all as far as I know are plated to a max of this) plus gross weight of towing vehicle ie what its total weight is ,fuel passengers and load allowable.Think LC is 2850 kg or so which is a total weight of 6350 kg,well under what your licence covers.All thats assuming you observe the weights allowable for the trailer.No shoving 5 cows into a 12 ft box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Pub talk how are ye.


  • #56
    paddysdream
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    You'd have to do truck license first and then artic license before you'd be qualified you drive jeep with a trailer......truck license isn't enough
    Now thats real genuine pub talk.Next people will be telling us that you need the artic licence to pull a 2 axle tractor trailer.
    At present,and I dont think its exactly ideal,once you get your provo. W licence at 16 and provided the tractor has no passenger seat fitted,you can belt off at 50k with the legal limit(24 tonne ?) behind you on a 12 m. 3 axle trailer.


  • #57
    rangler1
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    Can ya not do the rigid with trailer

    same thing, rigid and trailer or artic and trailer, but you have to do the rigid first, rigid license does not qualify you to tow a trailer


  • #58
    Reggie.
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    same thing, rigid and trailer or artic and trailer, but you have to do the rigid first, rigid license does not qualify you to tow a trailer

    Yeah know that but we do rigid abd trailer then the artic in the army. Just suppose it's handier to go straight to artic and automatically get rigid and trailer then


  • #59
    lakill Farm
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    I did the BE test recently . Must actually get it added to the licence now.

    Its actually a joke of a test.

    They want you to accelerator harder and brake harder that would be common sense or safe when carrying a load, let alone livestock.


  • #60
    Nekarsulm
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    rangler1 wrote: »
    same thing, rigid and trailer or artic and trailer, but you have to do the rigid first, rigid license does not qualify you to tow a trailer

    Perhaps the rules have changed, Rangler1, but I did the Rigid test back in 2000 and automatically got C, C1, and E+B and E+C1 which allows me drive a truck up to 7500of both single and double axle, and to tow a trailer with the truck up to a total weight of 12000 kg.
    (Even though no trailer was attached on day of test)


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  • #61
    lakill Farm
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Perhaps the rules have changed, Rangler1, but I did the Rigid test back in 2000 and automatically got C, C1, and E+B and E+C1 which allows me drive a truck up to 7500of both single and double axle, and to tow a trailer with the truck up to a total weight of 12000 kg.
    (Even though no trailer was attached on day of test)


    you must be ancient :eek:


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