Tractor trailer hitch question

J.O. Farmer

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Perhaps the rules have changed, Rangler1, but I did the Rigid test back in 2000 and automatically got C, C1, and E+B and E+C1 which allows me drive a truck up to 7500of both single and double axle, and to tow a trailer with the truck up to a total weight of 12000 kg.
(Even though no trailer was attached on day of test)

Looking at the dates onthat license you got all those in 1990 except the C. The only extra one you got in 2000 was a moped. Maybe youwere eentitled to them without them being on the license.

Nekarsulm

lakill Farm wrote: »

you must be ancient :eek:

Some mornings I feel Ancient, anyway!

Never mind the dates, I did the truck licence in 2000, so some of those columns have the incorrect date in them.
How otherwise could I have the truck and drag licence ten years before I got the truck licence on its own?

J.O. Farmer

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Some mornings I feel Ancient, anyway!

Never mind the dates, I did the truck licence in 2000, so some of those columns have the incorrect date in them.
How otherwise could I have the truck and drag licence ten years before I got the truck licence on its own?

It's the small truck and trailer with 1990 and then the big truck in 2000.
The most important thing is that you have them.

Night Nav

You should really read the site,A cat. BE licence covers you up to a weight limit of 7000kg.Thats trailer gross(3500kg as all as far as I know are plated to a max of this) plus gross weight of towing vehicle ie what its total weight is ,fuel passengers and load allowable.Think LC is 2850 kg or so which is a total weight of 6350 kg,well under what your licence covers.All thats assuming you observe the weights allowable for the trailer.No shoving 5 cows into a 12 ft box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Totally agree with you there

rangler1

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Perhaps the rules have changed, Rangler1, but I did the Rigid test back in 2000 and automatically got C, C1, and E+B and E+C1 which allows me drive a truck up to 7500of both single and double axle, and to tow a trailer with the truck up to a total weight of 12000 kg.
(Even though no trailer was attached on day of test)

I have all of those apart from C and never did any test apart from the car,
It means i can drive a small truck and trailer, your license had the small truck and trailer license before you did the test.
if you had a car license before 1989, you automatically got C1, E+B, E+C1. M and W, that's why the different dates on the small lorry
Young Freinds of mine with C license still have to do a trailer test to allow them to draw a trailer

Bass Reeves

A C! allows you to drive a vehicle up to 7500kgs. An EC1 allows you to drive a vehicle and a trailer with a combined weight of 12 ton.

Here are the different classes
https://www.ndls.ie/licence-categories.html

AckwelFoley

rangler1 wrote: »

Considering that those trailers are now illegal behind a jeep, there'll be a good few looking for that information.
....that's if the guards enforce the laws,
presume you referrring to a fourteen foot trailer

They're not illegal behind a jeep. This is a common misunderstanding of the law. It's irrelevant if your trailer has20 axels under it, the law is based on Gross weight. If the trailer loaded is under 3.5 Tonne laden it's not illegal. Provided of course you have a licence to pull it

AckwelFoley

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Them trailers (14X6 I presume) will hold six bullocks that weight and are often pulled by jeeps. That would be a gross weight of over 5 ton. This will become an issue over time as the guards enforce the law strictly.

It would be an issue because the Hitch is only designed to cover a 3.5 tonne load. The largest Knott / Bradley or alko overrun assembly is 3.5 tonne

AckwelFoley

Reggie. wrote: »

How is that connected to the tractor?

They're not. That's designed for behind a jeep etc.. they are designed to lower the height of the towball by 4 6 or 8";depending on which one you purchase.

Reggie.

AckwelFoley wrote: »

It would be an issue because the Hitch is only designed to cover a 3.5 tonne load. The largest Knott / Bradley or alko overrun assembly is 3.5 tonne

What if the tractor towing eye was put on it. Same story?

AckwelFoley

Reggie. wrote: »

What if the tractor towing eye was put on it. Same story?

If you're talking about putting an eye on the 3.5 Tonne coupling you you still are restricted to the 3.5 Tonne limit as the other components of the coupling are limited to 3.5 Tonne. .ie the drawtube and damper.. there is no larger.

If you remove the coupling and fix a towing eye to the A frame, you then will have a trailer that's not type approved. The trailer remember is built with the weight limit in mind

memorystick

Thinking of buying a tri axle Ifor Williams type for a JD 2650. How am I fixed height wise with the ball on the draw bar? I know Jeep hitches are high anyway but what are they. Sorry about resuscitating an old thread.

emaherx

memorystick wrote: »

Thinking of buying a tri axle Ifor Williams type for a JD 2650. How am I fixed height wise with the ball on the draw bar? I know Jeep hitches are high anyway but what are they. Sorry about resuscitating an old thread.

Probably depends on your tractor. Clevis hitch on my MF 390T when fitted with a screw in ball is actually lower than my Land Rovers

leoch

A bit of topic but would one different size wheel on a 12 x 5.6 ifor williams cattle trailer make it very wobbly behind a swb jeep

Muckit

A lot of lads are towing now on 3pt linkage as it allows for height adjustment and not as rigid as tractor hitch so not as hard on trailer drawbar.

hopeso

leoch wrote: »

A bit of topic but would one different size wheel on a 12 x 5.6 ifor williams cattle trailer make it very wobbly behind a swb jeep

Why bother with an odd sized wheel? Ifor wheels are very easy come by, and reasonably priced brand new. Of course the odd sized wheel will affect handling. How much depends on how different the wheel is compared to the others.

Albert Johnson

leoch wrote: »

A bit of topic but would one different size wheel on a 12 x 5.6 ifor williams cattle trailer make it very wobbly behind a swb jeep

I'd imagine so yes, anything that upsets the general balance of a trailer leaves it harder towed and less steady in my experience. I remember the auld lad bought a car one time that had a very heavy steering, he assumed the problem was with the power steering system but couldn't find the cause. Eventually he noticed that the 2 front tires were slightly different, for arguments sake we'll say they were both on 13" rims but I think the side wall heights were slightly different. Once he matched up the tyres the pull on the steering disappeared.

leoch

Odd size tyre went on one morning as a back up its same height just a good bit wider also someone put in a wider front axel to the back one so its slowly and steady when pulling a heavy load

Bass Reeves

Muckit wrote: »

A lot of lads are towing now on 3pt linkage as it allows for height adjustment and not as rigid as tractor hitch so not as hard on trailer drawbar.

Problem is towing capacity. Most lads are only towing off the lift arms. Its not a issue until an accident or a fussy Garda. A few years ago there was a lad making an add on to the drawbar hitch, it was more or less a solid lump of steel with a lower level ball taht was the right level for ant car /jeep level hitch. However I have not seen these in ages maythink they are not legal.

lab man

leoch wrote:

A bit of topic but would one different size wheel on a 12 x 5.6 ifor williams cattle trailer make it very wobbly behind a swb jeep

ya it acts like an egg on the road I bought a 24 ft bale trailer was cat on the road all the outside tyres were same size took them all off an one of the inside tyres was an inch higher changed it an gis a dream to pull now

buffalobilly

Muckit wrote: »

A lot of lads are towing now on 3pt linkage as it allows for height adjustment and not as rigid as tractor hitch so not as hard on trailer drawbar.

would i be right in say if you had say a few
cattle in the trailer and they went to the
back of the trailer the lift arms would
lift up dont think rsa would be happy
if they stopped you ?

148multi

buffalobilly wrote: »

would i be right in say if you had say a few
cattle in the trailer and they went to the
back of the trailer the lift arms would
lift up dont think rsa would be happy
if they stopped you ?

Very easy fix

gerryirl

i fixed my original problem by getting a hitch made that slotted into original hitch and kept in place by large pin. can take it off when not in use. It lowered trailer down by about an inch so trailer and load are always level. great welder near me did it. great job. there are so many trailers balanced wrongits unreal the damage its doing