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alps · 19-06-2016 09:44PM

Used Epromec at the weekend Kev..cost €3.80 per cow at 600kg.

mahoney_j · 19-06-2016 09:45PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Maybe teagasc research kowtow? Cows coughing here a good bit, sis reckons lungworm. Anyone know relatively cheep product pour in 0 milk withdrawal?

Eprinex /eprizero Kev ,coop had reps doing rounds selling it with offers last week ,cows coughing could also be Ibr ,any snotty noses ,high temps ,drop off in yield ??

Milked out · 19-06-2016 09:47PM

Rabonex another generic one, generally it's the offers make one cheaper over the other. Must do cows this week as well

kevthegaff · 19-06-2016 10:47PM

mahoney_j wrote:

Eprinex /eprizero Kev ,coop had reps doing rounds selling it with offers last week ,cows coughing could also be Ibr ,any snotty noses ,high temps ,drop off in yield ??

Couple with s noses, sis wants faeces samples, might do a few samples first. Just no coughing 3 weeks ago

Timmaay · 20-06-2016 01:54PM

Milked out wrote: »

Rabonex another generic one, generally it's the offers make one cheaper over the other. Must do cows this week as well

Just priced that up at 380 for 5l cash price, 60ml each or 4.57e per cow... Eprizero only 3.80?

Milked out · 20-06-2016 02:06PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Milked out wrote: »

Rabonex another generic one, generally it's the offers make one cheaper over the other. Must do cows this week as well

Just priced that up at 380 for 5l cash price, 60ml each or 4.57e per cow... Eprizero only 3.80?

Last year I bought it thru vets, came in cheaper per cow than eprinex or epizero in coop after I haggled em down. Think i got a litre extra in cant quite remember now Didn't buy anything yet this year normally price up all three from.vets and coop

kevthegaff · 20-06-2016 03:44PM

Do ye always worm them?

whelan2 · 20-06-2016 03:52PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Do ye always worm them?

Last year was the first year mine were coughing, I did all first calvers with eprinex and then started vaccinating for ibr.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 20-06-2016 04:06PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Last year was the first year mine were coughing, I did all first calvers with eprinex and then started vaccinating for ibr.

Out of curiosity, what did you worm them with as calves?

I was talking with a few lads last week with supposed lumgworm problems and they all used cydectin behind the ear?

I just thought it was a curious coincidence. It's only in the last few years I have heard of problems with 1st calvers and lungworm?

whelan2 · 20-06-2016 04:08PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what did you worm them with as calves?

I was talking with a few lads last week with supposed lumgworm problems and they all used cydectin behind the ear?

I just thought it was a curious coincidence. It's only in the last few years I have heard of problems with 1st calvers and lungworm?

Qualimec, in fairness since I started doing them for ibr ot has made a massive difference

blackdog1 · 20-06-2016 04:13PM

Timmaay wrote:

Just priced that up at 380 for 5l cash price, 60ml each or 4.57e per cow... Eprizero only 3.80?

My vet sells rabonex for 375 for 6 litres and a free dung sample. Cash price

kevthegaff · 20-06-2016 05:37PM

The ones are coughing to take temperatire , h temperature normally means ibr. Must try a few in the morning. Up the walls lately:-(

mf240 · 20-06-2016 10:33PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what did you worm them with as calves?

I was talking with a few lads last week with supposed lumgworm problems and they all used cydectin behind the ear?

I just thought it was a curious coincidence. It's only in the last few years I have heard of problems with 1st calvers and lungworm?

If they are really well dosed they never get a chance to build up immunity.

rangler1 · 20-06-2016 11:04PM

mf240 wrote: »

If they are really well dosed they never get a chance to build up immunity.

Nearly lost yearlings back in the nineties with worms, i used those boluses that release a dose every three weeks in them when they were calves and they didn't have imiunity to worms then as yearlings....really knocked hell out of them

whelan2 · 21-06-2016 08:00AM

OverRide wrote: »

See that
Any sign of the bps ballancing payment
It's later than last year now despite a promise to make it earlier

Happy days payment made on 17/06 hopefully be in accounts over next few days. Look under direct payments 2015 payments

manjou · 21-06-2016 08:02AM

I would get them tested for ibr. 2 years ago dosed the sucklers and calves 2 or 3 times during the year because of coughing ai man suggested ibr so got a few tested and showed up ibr.Now vaccinatd with live vac twice yearly . Last year dident dose anything during summer and very little coughing.

alps · 21-06-2016 11:40AM

Decision made....moving on...feeling free again

If it's right it's right...if it's wrong it's wrong...

The KT sharing of profit monitors, I just can't find acceptable.....

I'm out..

whelan2 · 21-06-2016 11:42AM

alps wrote: »

Decision made....moving on...feeling free again

If it's right it's right...if it's wrong it's wrong...

The KT sharing of profit monitors, I just can't find acceptable.....

I'm out..

Have the forms here, havent made a decision yet ................ whats everyone else doing?

charolais0153 · 21-06-2016 11:52AM

alps wrote: »

Decision made....moving on...feeling free again

If it's right it's right...if it's wrong it's wrong...

The KT sharing of profit monitors, I just can't find acceptable.....

I'm out..

From my understanding your profit monitor will be done and given to you to look at your income and expenditure.it won't be given to other people to look at.

kowtow · 21-06-2016 02:21PM

Does anyone here have headlocks in the parlour - presumably on a flat feed rail?

I have a constant struggle with cows of different sizes rucking and slipping, particularly as some are able to help themselves by headbanging our old Pearson feeders, which inevitably makes the next door cow jealous. We have 2'6" centres with staggered troughs (not in great condition) and straight rump rails but since we put it in ourselves and we still haven't done the "other" side of the parlour I'm giving serious thought to a zig zag rail and headlocks... probably along with a timber barrier or something to discourage the headbanging.

I might even treat them to rubber mats since the floor on that side needs some serious tidying.

Are headlocks a difficult job? What happens if a cow slips or goes down in them? Presumably they are different to the standard feeding headlock or are they the same thing? Any particular suppliers to look at / watch out for? Can they be individually released during milking?

I can see that a headlock set up might be tricky for cow flow with a bigger herd but quite honestly at our size almost any price is worth paying for a peaceful milking - not to mention the fact that cow controlled feeders are a rapid route to bankruptcy whatever the price of ration.

Suggestions gratefully received..

visatorro · 21-06-2016 04:00PM

kowtow wrote: »

Does anyone here have headlocks in the parlour - presumably on a flat feed rail?

I have a constant struggle with cows of different sizes rucking and slipping, particularly as some are able to help themselves by headbanging our old Pearson feeders, which inevitably makes the next door cow jealous. We have 2'6" centres with staggered troughs (not in great condition) and straight rump rails but since we put it in ourselves and we still haven't done the "other" side of the parlour I'm giving serious thought to a zig zag rail and headlocks... probably along with a timber barrier or something to discourage the headbanging.

I might even treat them to rubber mats since the floor on that side needs some serious tidying.

Are headlocks a difficult job? What happens if a cow slips or goes down in them? Presumably they are different to the standard feeding headlock or are they the same thing? Any particular suppliers to look at / watch out for? Can they be individually released during milking?

I can see that a headlock set up might be tricky for cow flow with a bigger herd but quite honestly at our size almost any price is worth paying for a peaceful milking - not to mention the fact that cow controlled feeders are a rapid route to bankruptcy whatever the price of ration.

Suggestions gratefully received..

neighbour has ten unit with headlocks. 2ft 2" centres afaik. probably a good job for cow control, he has manual feeders i think. cow flow mightnt be the best. similar to a calving gate, cows head goes in he pulls a rope and a bar slides over. i dont think he can do them individually. im not sure about dimensions of parlour.
not milking a huge number of cows. dont know what he does for an uneven number in the last row.
dunno about cow falling, if theres not other cow able to buck them they shouldnt fall, but cows are cows!!!

Nekarsulm · 21-06-2016 04:21PM

Have a dairymaster ten unit, 2'2" centres. Straight rump rails and manual head locks. Manual Cashman feeders. Very handy for bolshie cows and training heifers, but wouldnt lock them usually. If the last row is a short one, they are handy to stop "backers". Dont know how you could work them with staggered throughs. Dont know if the could be used unless the complete through is built up solid from the floor.
Sometimes slows the first cow from withdrawing her head on exiting, but they usually get out at near the same speed as without any rails. Local dairymaster agent got them made to order. If I remember the two sides came to 1600 Euro.

Nekarsulm · 21-06-2016 04:43PM

Pics.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-06-2016 05:16PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

From my understanding your profit monitor will be done and given to you to look at your income and expenditure.it won't be given to other people to look at.

All the data is compiled and can be used at Teagasc discretion so you data is used for between farm comparisons, which is its purpose, and also used in the publicised figures for 'cost of production' used in media sources for the cost to produce milk without adding in labour for the farmer, which is not its purpose.

kowtow · 21-06-2016 06:02PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Have a dairymaster ten unit, 2'2" centres. Straight rump rails and manual head locks. Manual Cashman feeders. Very handy for bolshie cows and training heifers, but wouldnt lock them usually. If the last row is a short one, they are handy to stop "backers". Dont know how you could work them with staggered throughs. Dont know if the could be used unless the complete through is built up solid from the floor.
Sometimes slows the first cow from withdrawing her head on exiting, but they usually get out at near the same speed as without any rails. Local dairymaster agent got them made to order. If I remember the two sides came to 1600 Euro.

Thanks for those - that's the setup I was thinking of (would get rid of my staggered troughs happily enough). Presumably your cows are nearer 90 degrees than 50?

The pit doesn't look too narrow there - was the original shed a 3ft centre herringbone, did you need to narrow it for the change in angle, or was the standing already wide enough?

Nekarsulm · 21-06-2016 07:05PM

Yes they are almost at 90degrees.
It was a new build, and the machine was originally a 2'6" plant. I bought it second hand up in Monaghan and bought a new milk line from Dairymaster with the 2'2" spacing.
Pit is 6'3" wide at the heel bar and 7' wide at your toes.
Trough's are 9" glazed crockery pipes that came out of an old piggery. The walls of the trough are 6" blocks on their edge, infilled with stone and the half pipes cemented into place.
You can see the original width of the plant if you look at the lenght of the cross bracing as it no longer reaches the walls.
They can't reach up enough to thump the feeders, but you might not have ceiling height to get the auger and feeders up enough.
Those manual feeders have really fell in price s/h as every lad wants pushbutton comfort.

visatorro · 21-06-2016 07:09PM

one tried to get over the gate on you Nek!!!

Kovu · 21-06-2016 07:13PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Pics.

That dog is doing a perfect :rolleyes: up at you there!

Water John · 21-06-2016 07:18PM

Tasty job Nek. BTW did you get the dog's permission to use his image?

Nekarsulm · 21-06-2016 07:22PM

It was the bull that massaged the gate, and the dog is often to be found in the worst spot possible!

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