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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #6422
    cute geoge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    fepper wrote: »
    I learned a hard few lessons on promises,promises,words mean nothing in the fresh air but on paper and witnessed its very hard to row back on it there in black and white

    Did stan stand up at the meeting and say he would pay leading milk price
    If he did it ishould be on record in the minutes of the meeting


  • #6423
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    kowtow wrote: »
    Many of us have to, to pay for the b****dy farm ! :)

    It seems like a block around your neck the way you put it there!!


  • #6424
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    cute geoge wrote: »
    Did stan stand up at the meeting and say he would pay leading milk price
    If he did it ishould be on record in the minutes of the meeting
    Maybe but a official agreement signed by plc and milk suppliers representatives would be more
    Transparent


  • #6425
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,410 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Minutes of a meeting usually record the decisions made. This may not have been recorded in that manner. In future any 'promises' by a processor should come in a legally enforceable format. Otherwise, literally, it is not worth the paper it is written on.
    I think that is one lesson that farmers have learned.


  • #6426
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Is glanbia milk statement not due today?


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  • #6427
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    fepper wrote:
    It seems like a block around your neck the way you put it there!!

    Ah no, I was joking.

    No place in the world I'd rather be and nothing I'd rather be doing.


  • #6428
    kerry cow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    What options are open to kerry farmers if kerry plc takes a stand and a top up is not paid . Where does that leave the future of the suppliers and the lovely long contract that our clowns of a co op board recommended us to sign .tying us for years ??


  • #6429
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,787 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    visatorro wrote: »
    Is glanbia milk statement not due today?
    yup, supposed to be online on 16th .......has been a few months since it was up on time, still not there now:mad: edited to say money is in my account today a day early


  • #6430
    BannerBarry
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 452 ✭✭BannerBarry


    kerry cow wrote: »
    What options are open to kerry farmers if kerry plc takes a stand and a top up is not paid . Where does that leave the future of the suppliers and the lovely long contract that our clowns of a co op board recommended us to sign .tying us for years ??

    Why take legal action against Kerry Group PLC and not the solicitor that reviewed the agreement on your behalf back in 2011?
    They were the well paid solicitors that missed defining "the leading milk price".

    If I'm contracted to supply "the leading lamb of my flock" you know you are getting my leading mountain weather lamb and not my pedigree Texel ram lamb.
    Ethics will mean nothing in court unfortunately.

    Yee have a better chance of winning the Lotto than beating Kerry Group PLC on this one.
    Ask the Competition authority, the Irish Dairy board, the Revenue on trying to beat Kerry Group in court.

    Talk to the solicitor that reviewed the milk contracts on the suppliers behalf and the Kerry co-op Board representatives. They missed this critical definition. This was negligence potentially.


  • #6431
    kerry cow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    Not taking from the killarney firm that is representing kerry Co op at the moment but the problem again is the plc have might behind them and the Co op need to fight fire with fire ,it's like a heavyweight v light weight boxing match , what a match !!


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  • #6432
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    Suppose the plc would be MUHUMMAD ALI against the coops BARRY MCGUIGAN


  • #6433
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    BannerBarry wrote: »
    Why take legal action against Kerry Group PLC and not the solicitor that reviewed the agreement on your behalf back in 2011?
    They were the well paid solicitors that missed defining "the leading milk price".

    You can lead downwards instead of upwards I suppose.

    When suing solicitors be very careful to establish to whom they owed a duty when they acted - it's not always obvious. Many have been caught out and genuinely harmed as a consequence of easily proven negligence by solicitors but subsequently found that the solicitor in question did not directly owe them (the victim) a duty of care and therefore cannot be held liable to them.


  • #6434
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    kowtow wrote: »
    You can lead downwards instead of upwards I suppose.

    When suing solicitors be very careful to establish to whom they owed a duty when they acted - it's not always obvious. Many have been caught out and genuinely harmed as a consequence of easily proven negligence by solicitors but subsequently found that the solicitor in question did not directly owe them (the victim) a duty of care and therefore cannot be held liable to them.

    Does your accountant owe you a duty of care if they make a big cockup on your behalf??


  • #6435
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    If you tried suing a firm of solicitors.

    You'd be lucky to have the price of the bus home when there finished with ya.


  • #6436
    6270red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭6270red


    "Yee have a better chance of winning the Lotto than beating Kerry Group PLC on this one.
    Ask the Competition authority, the Irish Dairy board, the Revenue on trying to beat Kerry Group in court."

    Well we will get nothing if we don't try so we may as well get nothing trying.
    Can't understand people's attitude that we should just let them walk all over us! Beaten before you start the match. That's what's got us into this ****e position in the first place!!


  • #6437
    OverRide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 665 ✭✭✭OverRide


    whelan2 wrote: »
    yup, supposed to be online on 16th .......has been a few months since it was up on time, still not there now:mad: edited to say money is in my account today a day early

    See that
    Any sign of the bps ballancing payment
    It's later than last year now despite a promise to make it earlier


  • #6438
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    The price of milk is on the floor anyway ,you were getting a better price in 15 than now in 16 and that's happening all over Ireland not just Kerry


  • #6439
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    6270red wrote: »
    "Yee have a better chance of winning the Lotto than beating Kerry Group PLC on this one.
    Ask the Competition authority, the Irish Dairy board, the Revenue on trying to beat Kerry Group in court."

    Well we will get nothing if we don't try so we may as well get nothing trying.
    Can't understand people's attitude that we should just let them walk all over us! Beaten before you start the match. That's what's got us into this ****e position in the first place!!

    Court case would take years and how do you think Kerry would treat you while it was going on.
    ''Law with no justice'' is all you'd get in court


  • #6440
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,787 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    OverRide wrote: »
    See that
    Any sign of the bps ballancing payment
    It's later than last year now despite a promise to make it earlier
    No sign read somewhere we are to get it before the end of June. Will believe it when I see it


  • #6441
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    rangler1 wrote: »
    Court case would take years and how do you think Kerry would treat you while it was going on.<br />
    ''Law with no justice'' is all you'd get in court
    <br />
    Kerry plc don't do too many rewards for its milk suppliers


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  • #6442
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    rangler1 wrote: »
    Court case would take years and how do you think Kerry would treat you while it was going on.
    ''Law with no justice'' is all you'd get in court

    It's not a court case, though, ranger. It's legally binding arbitration so no comeback if it's lost by either side.


  • #6443
    BannerBarry
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 452 ✭✭BannerBarry


    It's a good job it's Kerry Group that's pushing the Arbitration forward and that we are not waiting for the Co Op to push it forward.
    The co op have spend over 2 years charging us for their Strategic Review.... I do not know a single member that was asked for their feedback on what the members want from the future of Kerry co op.
    Kerry Group are anxious to get the Arbitration over so they can get the €10m out of their bank account... I think not guys.


  • #6444
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    kowtow wrote: »
    BannerBarry wrote: »
    Why take legal action against Kerry Group PLC and not the solicitor that reviewed the agreement on your behalf back in 2011?
    They were the well paid solicitors that missed defining "the leading milk price".

    You can lead downwards instead of upwards I suppose.

    When suing solicitors be very careful to establish to whom they owed a duty when they acted - it's not always obvious. Many have been caught out and genuinely harmed as a consequence of easily proven negligence by solicitors but subsequently found that the solicitor in question did not directly owe them (the victim) a duty of care and therefore cannot be held liable to them.

    And in this country, in practice the burden of proof when suing a professional is higher than the burden of proof in a murder trial.


  • #6445
    6270red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭6270red


    rangler1 wrote: »
    Court case would take years and how do you think Kerry would treat you while it was going on.
    ''Law with no justice'' is all you'd get in court

    Can't treat us any worse.


  • #6446
    6270red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭6270red


    Jesus lads going by people on here I now know why the companies we supply milk to walk all over us.
    All scared ****less of them. They'll do this and that.
    I for one am happy we are putting up a fight, someone has to. Too many yes men, well I say no! Give us what was promised or even negotiate to give us something.
    When all these guys working in the industry drive past a field of cows they should say to themselves, Jesus them ladies pay my wages we should look after them. But they don't even think about that. Huge disconnect there at the moment.


  • #6447
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    freedominacup wrote: »
    And in this country, in practice the burden of proof when suing a professional is higher than the burden of proof in a murder trial.
    The legal profession are hardly going to shoot each other in the foot are they, closed shop there


  • #6448
    rangler1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭rangler1


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    It's not a court case, though, ranger. It's legally binding arbitration so no comeback if it's lost by either side.

    Didn't know that, even that'll take time,
    Arbitration can be a real battle of the barristers, 'twill need some talent to win


  • #6449
    fepper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭fepper


    6270red wrote: »
    Jesus lads going by people on here I now know why the companies we supply milk to walk all over us.
    All scared ****less of them. They'll do this and that.
    I for one am happy we are putting up a fight, someone has to. Too many yes men, well I say no! Give us what was promised or even negotiate to give us something.
    When all these guys working in the industry drive past a field of cows they should say to themselves, Jesus them ladies pay my wages we should look after them. But they don't even think about that. Huge disconnect there at the moment.
    Lots of farmers retired after years of supply of milk to coop ,did they get lump sum and pension as a thank you from coop as you say wrong side of processing table we were


  • #6450
    6270red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭6270red


    fepper wrote: »
    Lots of farmers retired after years of supply of milk to coop ,did they get lump sum and pension as a thank you from coop as you say wrong side of processing table we were

    No am I asking for a pension? Most retired lads including my father have shares. I don't and to be honest I think your arguments here are an insult. Your no longer involved in the industry so maybe you should leave the fight to the people still involved and the young farmers like myself to fight the good fight.
    How many more times can I say I'm not looking for something for nothing I'm only looking for a fair return for my work.


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  • #6451
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    fepper wrote:
    Lots of farmers retired after years of supply of milk to coop ,did they get lump sum and pension as a thank you from coop as you say wrong side of processing table we were


    I Think we should go the slurry route, the suits wouldn't like that! Also p,"ss off the department


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