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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

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  • #6092
    DeiseDawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭DeiseDawg


    mickmackmcgoo wrote: »
    Stop speculating and wait till something official comes out about both players .

    Fit young men - they'll recover quickly from whatever injuries they have. May not be too serious and it could have happened as easily in training. Of course we need to play club championship games when we have the chance, and with a five week break between senior games it was the correct thing to do.


  • #6093
    JesusRef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭JesusRef


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    **** **** ****

    Bloody club games that's are season gone up In smoke

    I'd like to see what a county team would look like if we got rid of the bloody clubs - show the club's some respect there would be nothing without them


  • #6094
    Deise_2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    He has to be a troll, nobody can be that negative


  • #6095
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,614 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Deise_2012 wrote: »
    He has to be a troll, nobody can be that negative

    Nope just letting off a bit of steam no offence was meant (heat is making me narky)


  • #6096
    DiscoStew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭DiscoStew


    Nothing officially confirmed on severity of the injuries but it appears Derek has pulled next weeks intermediate fixtures in fear of any more.
    Still a round of football scheduled to go ahead in 2 weekends time but I wouldn't be surprised to see that pulled also. Or at least any games involving Waterford players.
    Hopefully the injuries aren't too serious. Heard that Dunford came off injured for Colligan too, anyone able to confirm this?


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  • #6097
    Deise2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭Deise2016


    Any news on Austin Gleeson today?

    Rumour that he could be out for a while by the looks of it.


  • #6098
    leerushon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 ✭leerushon


    All Intermediate games gone, All football games involving Senior Hurlers gone as well... At this rate we'll have the same situation as last year come September/October....

    Clubs need to stand up now and realize that games have to be played.. Otherwise we may as well all go to America and start playing 2 games a week in September to finish championships..


  • #6099
    blue note
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,728 ✭✭✭blue note


    leerushon wrote: »
    All Intermediate games gone, All football games involving Senior Hurlers gone as well... At this rate we'll have the same situation as last year come September/October....

    Clubs need to stand up now and realize that games have to be played.. Otherwise we may as well all go to America and start playing 2 games a week in September to finish championships..

    I think they should play the club games. The players can get injured at intercounty level too. Maybe the clubs should call a halt to the intercounty fixtures while the club championship is on!


  • #6100
    O Riain
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    Deise2016 wrote: »
    Any news on Austin Gleeson today?

    Rumour that he could be out for a while by the looks of it.

    Can't be too serious if there is no mention of any of it.


  • #6101
    leerushon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 ✭leerushon


    blue note wrote: »
    I think they should play the club games. The players can get injured at intercounty level too. Maybe the clubs should call a halt to the intercounty fixtures while the club championship is on!



    I understand Derek McGrath's point of view as well though, the effort these lads put in is unbelievable..
    The poor club player is getting ridden again... The clubs have to put the foot down and look for games to be played, give the county board a mandate to play them.

    No point in giving out in September that the games weren't played.


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  • #6102
    PTH2009
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    O Riain wrote: »
    Can't be too serious if there is no mention of any of it.

    Heard Aussie's injury is not too serious but so many different stories going around


  • #6103
    robopaddy2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 739 ✭✭✭robopaddy2


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    O Riain wrote: »
    Can't be too serious if there is no mention of any of it.

    Heard Aussie's injury is not too serious but so many different stories going around
    Yea mostly from people like you, picking teams without him and speculating even though you know nothing about his injury.

    An awful lot of bull**** on here, criticising club matches and the decisions to play club games. Genuine GAA people know the importance of the club championship. The club championships are already a month behind due to the league final replay and now I see Derek McGrath has called for the cancellation of another round. Basically 1000 club players in the county being pushed out to accommodate an elite group of 30. Ludicrous when you think of it. The clubs are the bread and butter of the GAA, the show should go on regardless of the county team. If a lad picks up a knock in the process, that's life. Im as big a Waterford fan as any but I would free up the weekend before an intercounty championship fixture from club games but anymore than that is just ott for an amateur sport


  • #6104
    HatchetMan7
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    I'd only agree with calling off club games when it comes to the all Ireland quarter final stage. At this time of year when its not knockout we should be playing club games and if a few injuries occur then we have plenty on the bench who can come in and try and nail down a spot for themselves. If Tom Devine or Brian O Halloran have to come in to the forward line from the start or if Conor Gleeson or Shane McNulty have to come into the backline from the start then so be it. I for one would like to see how these players cope before we get to the knockout stage.


  • #6105
    Blaamain
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    carter10 wrote: »
    A game between the 04 team and the present team.Who would win and why?
    Present team I think - we are now the exact kind of team the 04 boys would struggle most against.

    Interesting to look at match-ups between key players though.

    Tony B v Tadgh
    Ken v Austin
    Mullane v Bennett
    Flynner v Pauric
    Dan v Maurice

    5 genuine all time greats of Waterford hurling from the 04 team but the 16 team by no means outclassed....


  • #6106
    robopaddy2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 739 ✭✭✭robopaddy2


    Blaamain wrote: »
    carter10 wrote: »
    A game between the 04 team and the present team.Who would win and why?
    Present team I think - we are now the exact kind of team the 04 boys would struggle most against.

    Interesting to look at match-ups between key players though.

    Tony B v Tadgh
    Ken v Austin
    Mullane v Bennett
    Flynner v Pauric
    Dan v Maurice

    5 genuine all time greats of Waterford hurling from the 04 team but the 16 team by no means outclassed....
    And Brick Walsh vs........ Brick Walsh


  • #6107
    hurler on de ditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭hurler on de ditch


    Blaamain wrote: »
    Present team I think - we are now the exact kind of team the 04 boys would struggle most against.

    Interesting to look at match-ups between key players though.

    Tony B v Tadgh
    Ken v Austin
    Mullane v Bennett
    Flynner v Pauric
    Dan v Maurice

    5 genuine all time greats of Waterford hurling from the 04 team but the 16 team by no means outclassed....
    at this stage of the game id say,Tony B ,more consistent at his age,Ken/Aussie 50/50 (that saying something)considering Ken played minor,U21 and Senior in the same year,Mullane hands down ,although would love to see Bennett actually play a forward role ,their is only one Paul Flynn (case closed )Maurice slightly ahead at the same stage as Dan (hurler of the year,****ing legend )


  • #6108
    hurler on de ditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭hurler on de ditch


    Blaamain wrote: »
    Present team I think - we are now the exact kind of team the 04 boys would struggle most against.

    Interesting to look at match-ups between key players though.

    Tony B v Tadgh
    Ken v Austin
    Mullane v Bennett
    Flynner v Pauric
    Dan v Maurice

    5 genuine all time greats of Waterford hurling from the 04 team but the 16 team by no means outclassed....
    at this stage of the game id say,Tony B ,more consistent at his age,Ken/Aussie 50/50 (that saying something)considering Ken played minor,U21 and Senior in the same year,Mullane hands down ,although would love to see Bennett actually play a forward role ,their is only one Paul Flynn (case closed )Maurice slightly ahead at the same stage as Dan (hurler of the year,****ing legend )


  • #6109
    HatchetMan7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    http://www.the42.ie/jackie-tyrrell-kilkenny-4-2827685-Jun2016/

    Jackie Tyrrell with a very fair and balanced interview on the whole sweeper debate. Basically saying that while Kilkenny don't and very likely will never use one particular player as a sweeper, different players throughout the game retreat at different times to help in defence. A good example of this in the Dublin game was Mick Fennelly in the last 10 minutes winning one or two balls in front of Joe Holden and not giving Dublin a sniff of a goal. I would say that having a set sweeper would be much easier to perfect rather than one player at any one time taking it upon himself to go back when he sees his defenders are isolated. That takes alot of experience to get right which Kilkenny have in bucket loads getting to and winning so many all ireland finals. That experience is now Kilkennys biggest advantage over Waterford and its an advantage that should not be underestimated.

    Looking forward to the Limerick/Tipp game at the weekend and was wondering what team do ye want Waterford to meet in the Munster final? Personally, i want a Munster final rematch with Tipp. It would be a good barometer of the progress we've made if any. A loss would only refocus the minds and tighten up any weakness that Tipp expose and a win would give this group a massive confidence boost. It feels like Limericks backs are against the wall in this one and against Tipp they should come out fighting. The result will likely depend on which Tipp turn up.


  • #6110
    robopaddy2
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    HatchetMan7 wrote: »
    http://www.the42.ie/jackie-tyrrell-kilkenny-4-2827685-Jun2016/

    Jackie Tyrrell with a very fair and balanced interview on the whole sweeper debate. Basically saying that while Kilkenny don't and very likely will never use one particular player as a sweeper, different players throughout the game retreat at different times to help in defence. A good example of this in the Dublin game was Mick Fennelly in the last 10 minutes winning one or two balls in front of Joe Holden and not giving Dublin a sniff of a goal. I would say that having a set sweeper would be much easier to perfect rather than one player at any one time taking it upon himself to go back when he sees his defenders are isolated. That takes alot of experience to get right which Kilkenny have in bucket loads getting and winning so many all ireland finals. That experience is now Kilkennys biggest advantage over Waterford and its an advantage that should not be underestimated.

    Looking forward to the Limerick/Tipp game at the weekend and was wondering what team do ye want Waterford to meet in the Munster final? Personally, i want a Munster final rematch with Tipp. It would be a good barometer of the progress we've made if any. A loss would only refocus the minds and tighten up any weakness that Tipp expose and a win would give this group a massive confidence boost. It feels like Limericks backs are against the wall in this one and against Tipp they should come out fighting. The result will likely depend on which Tipp turn up.

    Don't really have a preference. I expect Tipp to prevail but if Limerick do overcome that Tipp team it will mean they are a serious outfit aswell. Hard to judge Limerick with so many new starters, they looked poor in the league and struggled with the sweeper system, so its easy to see why most people are backing Tipp. Unless TJ Ryan has cracked the magic formula to turn it around since then but Id have my doubts to be honest.

    Yea Jackie talks a lot of sense in that article, but I wouldn't be buoyed by KK saying they will never succumb to the sweeper system. They haven't lost a championship game (yet) since the sweeper system came in so why would they change. They have their ways and means of counter-acting it but it shouldn't deter us from sticking with it. Each county to their own and I firmly believe that no one operates this system as good as we do.


  • #6111
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Hard to say anything other than a Tipp win. Limerick fans confidence is at an all time low. Very similar to a 2014 Waterford.

    I know in the lead up to the Cork game that year confidence was at an all time low and we still should have beaten them but ultimately the fears came to pass that year. They were well beaten last year, don't see a huge improvement likely.


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  • #6112
    robopaddy2
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    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Hard to say anything other than a Tipp win. Limerick fans confidence is at an all time low. Very similar to a 2014 Waterford.

    I know in the lead up to the Cork game that year confidence was at an all time low and we still should have beaten them but ultimately the fears came to pass that year. They were well beaten last year, don't see a huge improvement likely.
    Its rare to see so many young championship debutants in one team. It reminds me of 1999 when Cork handed 8 or 9 lads their championship debut against Waterford in a Munster semi final, they were coming off an exceptional u21 and minor bunch. Guys like Mickey O'Connell, Rock O'Sullivan and Joe Deane.They blew us away that day. Can't see that happening on Sunday. It took us a year or 2 to integrate the youth into our team. It will take Limerick a similar timeframe at least.


  • #6113
    blue note
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    HatchetMan7 wrote: »
    http://www.the42.ie/jackie-tyrrell-kilkenny-4-2827685-Jun2016/

    Jackie Tyrrell with a very fair and balanced interview on the whole sweeper debate. Basically saying that while Kilkenny don't and very likely will never use one particular player as a sweeper, different players throughout the game retreat at different times to help in defence. A good example of this in the Dublin game was Mick Fennelly in the last 10 minutes winning one or two balls in front of Joe Holden and not giving Dublin a sniff of a goal. I would say that having a set sweeper would be much easier to perfect rather than one player at any one time taking it upon himself to go back when he sees his defenders are isolated. That takes alot of experience to get right which Kilkenny have in bucket loads getting to and winning so many all ireland finals. That experience is now Kilkennys biggest advantage over Waterford and its an advantage that should not be underestimated.

    Looking forward to the Limerick/Tipp game at the weekend and was wondering what team do ye want Waterford to meet in the Munster final? Personally, i want a Munster final rematch with Tipp. It would be a good barometer of the progress we've made if any. A loss would only refocus the minds and tighten up any weakness that Tipp expose and a win would give this group a massive confidence boost. It feels like Limericks backs are against the wall in this one and against Tipp they should come out fighting. The result will likely depend on which Tipp turn up.

    That's really funny. He's basically saying "no, I can't see us every playing a sweeper. With us, Larkin might track back from corner forward, the half forwards might pick up the midfielders and that allows the midfielders to go back to defence."

    It is a little different that they mightn't play with a designated sweeper, but the effect is the same - avoid 1 on 1 situations in defence, have a spare man there to be an outlet for the defenders to pass to when under pressure. And even with pretty much every team playing at most 5 full time forwards, they still want more than 6 defenders back.

    There's nothing wrong with this obviously. It's the most effective way to win.


  • #6114
    Giveitfong
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    robopaddy2 wrote: »
    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Hard to say anything other than a Tipp win. Limerick fans confidence is at an all time low. Very similar to a 2014 Waterford.

    I know in the lead up to the Cork game that year confidence was at an all time low and we still should have beaten them but ultimately the fears came to pass that year. They were well beaten last year, don't see a huge improvement likely.
    Its rare to see so many young championship debutants in one team. It reminds me of 1999 when Cork handed 8 or 9 lads their championship debut against Waterford in a Munster semi final, they were coming off an exceptional u21 and minor bunch. Guys like Mickey O'Connell, Rock O'Sullivan and Joe Deane.They blew us away that day. Can't see that happening on Sunday. It took us a year or 2 to integrate the youth into our team. It will take Limerick a similar timeframe at least.

    Cork didn't actually blow us away that day. That game really showed how bad Gerald McCarthy was at managing games from the sideline. Fergal Hartley, who was playing in midfield, broke his finger at the throw-in and could hardly grip his hurley but was left on the field for ages. Tony Browne, the other midfielder, had an ankle injury and should never have started. McCarthy made a big mistake playing him in the first round game against Limerick instead of allowing the injury to recover. That left Waterford with no midfield essentially. I remember screaming down from the stand to the sideline to make a change there, but it didn't happen until it was too late. With nobody effectively marking him, Mickey O'Connell had a field day. He got an All Star for that game alone and held his place on the team for years afterwards although I don't remember him having another good game for Cork. Even then, Waterford were coming back strong late in the game and had the gap down to three or four points when the referee gave a terrible free against Stephen Frampton when it should have gone the other way. This handed the initiative back to Cork. I think they won by around five points at the end.


  • #6115
    westcork blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭westcork blue


    Anyone have news on D. Fives, Colin and Aussie re injuries? I heard Darragh has a quad tear but nothing confirmed officially.


  • #6116
    3ships
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭3ships


    westcork blue wrote: »
    Anyone have news on D. Fives, Colin and Aussie re injuries? I heard Darragh has a quad tear but nothing confirmed officially.

    http://www.wlrfm.com/sport/local/70582-waterford-selector-hopeful-player-injuries-will-clear-before-munster-final.html


  • #6117
    Cake Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Cake Man


    Is it just me or is the Munster championship very drawn out this year? Like, more than usual?
    We played Clare two weeks ago and not out again for another three weeks. Seems like Tipp beat Cork ages ago.

    Could they not have played Tipp v Cork last Sunday (12th), Waterford v Clare today (19th), Tipp/Cork v Limerick the following weekend (26th) and then Munster final on 10th July? I suppose in the event of a replay it makes things messy but maybe it should be done such that there are none and extra time be played (and a winner decided) on the day. Would at least give the clubs a few more weekends to play off fixtures.

    It just feels like the buzz of beating Clare is long gone, things have gone quiet and probably won't pick up again until the week of the Munster final.


  • #6118
    PTH2009
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    Best of luck to the footballers today against Leitrim. Very winnable game


  • #6119
    robopaddy2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 739 ✭✭✭robopaddy2


    Cake Man wrote: »
    Is it just me or is the Munster championship very drawn out this year? Like, more than usual?
    We played Clare two weeks ago and not out again for another three weeks. Seems like Tipp beat Cork ages ago.

    Could they not have played Tipp v Cork last Sunday (12th), Waterford v Clare today (19th), Tipp/Cork v Limerick the following weekend (26th) and then Munster final on 10th July? I suppose in the event of a replay it makes things messy but maybe it should be done such that there are none and extra time be played (and a winner decided) on the day. Would at least give the clubs a few more weekends to play off fixtures.

    It just feels like the buzz of beating Clare is long gone, things have gone quiet and probably won't pick up again until the week of the Munster final.
    The provincial championships are dying a slow death and the hurling championship as a whole need restructuring. The provincial championships are out-dated and dragged out unnecessarily. Having a Munster and Leinster championship is just a convenient way of splitting the early stages of the championship in 2 groups at this stage. The Leinster Championship is very lob-sided, only 3 teams with realistic hopes of winning it and one of them is from Connacht! Time for the powers that be to bite the bullet and scrap the provincial championship. Its a decision people are afraid to take because it wouldn't be be a popular one, but its for the benefit of the game for future generations.

    The best way for hurling would be a champions league style format, 12 team competition, drawn from 2 groups of 6. Top 2 through to semis, 2nd and 3rd into 2 quarters. Bottom 2 from each group play a relegation play off and the winners of nthe Christy Ring promoted. Play the entire championship off in June, July, August. No need to drag things out and free up the rest of the year for the clubs.


  • #6120
    mountgomery burns
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    Theres only one team with a realistic chance of winning Leinster with about 16 years. 3 teams is giving it far more credit than it deserves.


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  • #6121
    KevIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,433 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Theres only one team with a realistic chance of winning Leinster with about 16 years. 3 teams is giving it far more credit than it deserves.

    There has been 3 different winners of Leinster in the last 4 years in fairness. Its not as certain to go to KK as it was previously


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