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  • #422
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Okay, reading some of the **** Britain First are spewing, yeah, they might well have something to answer for in terms of mentally unstable people taking them up on it.

    I will say that the difference between them and the extremist Imams is that the latter entirely and absolutely intend people to take them at their word and go and kill people, the more the better, and they'll celebrate when it happens. Britain First and their ilk are all mouth and no trousers and will be (mostly, I'm sure there's some truly horrible people as well that will be quietly satisfied, but there you go) horrified to think that someone might have actually taken some of their bull**** in and acted on it. What they really want is just people to be legally unpleasant to the lesser folks until they give up and go away, at which point Britannia will presumably rule the waves again.


  • #423
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    2011 census disagrees with you. 59.5% Christian.

    I repeat 2016 article. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/no-religion-outnumber-christians-england-wales-study


  • #424
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Billy86 wrote: »
    The death penalty was abolished in the UK a long time ago, so she was not referring to it. She could not have been referring to anything in the legal system.
    It was only abolished in 2004. Didn't realise that. I knew it still stood for certain acts last time I looked it up.
    Billy86 wrote: »
    It was taken in the context that it was in their statement that Paul Golding was running for mayor of London - https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst/photos/gm.883309458420398/884386278373301/?type=1&theater
    I can't read that post as I don't use facebook.

    Billy86 wrote: »
    In other words, it was an unprovoked comment intended to do nothing but spew hatred and promote terrorism and violence, just like ISIS.
    I suggest you look at some of the things ISIS say and do and come back to me.
    Billy86 wrote: »
    Declaring war on the western governments, full of colourful, militant language just like ISIS, claiming they will 'stop at nothing to take our country back' (meaning if democracy won't work...), and calling for a 'day of reckoning' in which to murder the people who disagree with them.
    They appear to be anti EU and pro democracy actually. Again, they are not "just like ISIS". What alternative reality are you posting from?
    Billy86 wrote: »
    If you want to defend the far right and it's violent rhetoric on this then fine, that's your decision. But remember, it also means that you are no better than someone convinced the jihadists are the 'good guys'.
    You are some comedian.
    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    OK let's ban all slaughtering.
    One law for them and one for everyone else. Ban the Burka, ban halal and ban Shariah.


  • #425
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    I repeat 2016 article. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/no-religion-outnumber-christians-england-wales-study
    Well amongst religious people Christianity is still #1.


  • #426
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    It was only abolished in 2004. Didn't realise that. I knew it still stood for certain acts last time I looked it up.

    It was taken in the context that it was in their statement that Paul Golding was running for mayor of London - https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst/photos/gm.883309458420398/884386278373301/?type=1&theater
    I can't read that post as I don't use facebook.



    I suggest you look at some of the things ISIS say and do and come back to me.


    They appear to be anti EU and pro democracy actually. Again, they are not "just like ISIS". What alternative reality are you posting from?


    You are some comedian.


    One law for them and one for everyone else. Ban the Burka, ban halal and ban Shariah.[/quote]

    It's not them and us it's evil V those of us who want peace I can now see which side you on. You want to start up for evil no matter what side that shows your agenda.


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  • #427
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Well amongst religious people Christianity is still #1.

    But that is not what you originally said. It's simple Christinaty not a majority. You just looking silly now.


  • #428
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    But that is not what you originally said. It's simple Christinaty not a majority. You just looking silly now.

    I said historically England was a Christian country. The Queen of England is a Christian. I honestly don't know why I am wasting my energy arguing about this triviality.


  • #429
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I said historically England was a Christian country. The Queen of England is a Christian. I honestly don't know why I am wasting my energy arguing about this triviality.

    Historically it was a Catholoc Country then due to a dirty old king became Church of England said church and state for a couple of hundred years said about Catholics what is now said about Muslims. This is not triviality it is the core of the argument.


  • #430
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Historically it was a Catholoc Country then due to a dirty old king became Church of England said church and state for a couple of hundred years said about Catholics what is now said about Muslims. This is not triviality it is the core of the argument.
    Catholics are Christians.

    It is not core to the argument. It is core to your deflection.

    Is there a problem in the Muslim community? Are ISIS bad people?


  • #431
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Catholics are Christians.

    It is not core to the argument. It is core to your deflection.

    Is there a problem in the Muslim community? Are ISIS bad people?

    Well for Chrirlstian people's they beat the **** out of each other for hundreds of years, not very Christian. As a Catholic I know what it's like for British Christians to knock your religious views based on nothing but hate. Is there a problem with biggots no matter what religion they claim to be.


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  • #432
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Well for Chrirlstian people's they beat the **** out of each other for hundreds of years, not very Christian. As a Catholic I know what it's like for British Christians to knock your religious views based on nothing but hate. Is there a problem with biggots no matter what religion they claim to be.

    We are not talking about hundreds of years ago. We are talking about now. Isis are waging war on the west. They are using migrants routes to get people into Europe. Attacks are happening in Europe and the US.


  • #433
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    stefanovich wrote: »
    It was only abolished in 2004. Didn't realise that. I knew it still stood for certain acts last time I looked it up.

    It was taken in the context that it was in their statement that Paul Golding was running for mayor of London - https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst/photos/gm.883309458420398/884386278373301/?type=1&theater

    I can't read that post as I don't use facebook.
    What a funny thing, because here you are only two weeks ago talking about Facebook pages on this very site - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99919059&postcount=5 . Yes, naturally it was in a thread where you were defending more far right militants. And not only that, but I logged out of my facebook and clicked on the link again... and it still shows up, whether you are logged in or out. How very, very strange that you mysteriously could not access this...

    Do us a favour and stop lying, you're fooling nobody. Britain First have openly called for violence and you are willing to defend them on it, just like radicalised Muslims support jihadists calling for violence.
    I suggest you look at some of the things ISIS say and do and come back to me.
    So jihadists don't call for violence and murder? Jihadists don't call for war with the western establishment? Jihadists don't use militant language? :pac:
    They appear to be anti EU and pro democracy actually. Again, they are not "just like ISIS". What alternative reality are you posting from?
    No, their statement says they will 'stop at nothing' - meaning if democracy fails, they will ignore it and take alternative methods - they have issued their "declaration of war" (their words, not mine) against the establishment.
    You are some comedian.
    Exactly as I thought; you are an apologist for extremism and terrorism, and you do consider those who promote it to be 'the good guys'. Just like radicalised Muslims think about hate preachers and extremists.

    That's what you're doing here - you're defending people who called for violence that happened as a result of them calling for it. No different to someone defending the likes of Anjem Choudary or Abu Hamza as not responsible when someone they had influence over commits a terrorist act. It's open and shut, and that's all there is to it.


  • #434
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Isis are waging war on the west. They are using migrants routes to get people into Europe. Attacks are happening in Europe and the US.

    The west brought death, misery and mayhem to the Middle East on a grand scale and ISIS is the west's blowback. Maybe we should be damn careful about invading places like Iraq and wrecking the place leading to vicious groups like ISIS taking control.

    Let me guess... you support the 'war on terror'?


  • #435
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Billy86 wrote: »
    What a funny thing, because here you are only two weeks ago talking about Facebook pages on this very site - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99919059&postcount=5 . Yes, naturally it was in a thread where you were defending more far right militants. And not only that, but I logged out of my facebook and clicked on the link again... and it still shows up, whether you are logged in or out. How very, very strange that you mysteriously could not access this...
    Just because I mentioned Facebook does not mean I have an active account. try scrolling down or expanding the comments. You need to log in. Bit creepy you searching my post history.
    Billy86 wrote: »
    It's open and shut, and that's all there is to it.
    It's not though.


  • #436
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    We are not talking about hundreds of years ago. We are talking about now. Isis are waging war on the west. They are using migrants routes to get people into Europe. Attacks are happening in Europe and the US.

    What happened between 1960"s and early 2000"s I remember what it's feels like to be told to sign the prevention of terrorism Act based on nothing more than your name and where you fliew from. When I was presumed to be a terrorist because I happened to be born a Catholic. Are you going to tell me that was hundreds of years ago.


  • #437
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The west brought death, misery and mayhem to the Middle East on a grand scale and ISIS is the west's blowback. Maybe we should be damn careful about invading places like Iraq and wrecking the place leading to vicious groups like ISIS taking control.

    Let me guess... you support the 'war on terror'?

    The middle east, Israel excepted, is a violent horrible place. Saddam and Assad kept things in check, the only way it works there. I don't agree with the invasion of Iraq or Syria. I think we should let them be. I also do not think importing the 3rd world into Europe is a solution.


  • #438
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    What happened between 1960"s and early 2000"s I remember what it's feels like to be told to sign the prevention of terrorism Act based on nothing more than your name and where you flied from. When I was presumed to be a terrorist because I happened to be born a Catholic. Are you going to tell me that was hundreds of years ago.

    There were lots of IRA people in Ireland. I personally know people who most certainly were IRA members. Perfectly reasonable behaviour on the part the of British.


  • #439
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    The middle east, Israel excepted, is a violent horrible place. Saddam and Assad kept things in check, the only way it works there. I don't agree with the invasion of Iraq or Syria. I think we should let them be. I also do not think importing the 3rd world into Europe is a solution.

    Look at your history of the Middke east 1950 to 1980 and ask what went wrong. Afghanistan Iran Iraq all modern countries blown back into the dark ages by a war between right and left. Learn some facts about the people you call deamons.


  • #440
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Just because I mentioned Facebook does not mean I have an active account. try scrolling down or expanding the comments. You need to log in. Bit creepy you searching my post history.
    You have a history of being less than honest, so yeah of course I was going to check it - and I was right. On there you were talking about which facebook pages were official and which were not, yet (edit: typo) now you don't even have a facebook account. How very, very convenient.

    Does't matter though, you can view the full statement while not logged in, which I already tried and as I already told you. Funny you chose to ignore that, but not unexpected in the least.
    It's not though.
    It is. You are, and through this thread have been, an apologist for those who promote violence and terrorism (so long as those terrorist acts are in the name of far right nationalism/white supremacy), and that's it. End of story.


  • #441
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    There were lots of IRA people in Ireland. I personally know people who most certainly were IRA members. Perfectly reasonable behaviour on the part the of British.

    I never was I never knew any who joined why was all Ireland classed as members. You knew members of a terrorist organisation did you tell AGS or the Met. Yet if a Muslim did as you did you would call him a terrorist. You are truly letting the mask slip.


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  • #442
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭weisses


    I think Britain first and mental instability go hand in hand .. On the plus side Britain will probably vote to stay in now


  • #443
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Honestly don't know if it'll make that much difference to whether people vote to stay in or leave. Although if people DO vote to stay in, the mad conspiracy nuts will say until their dying day that the Establishment murdered Jo Cox to trick the people and never mind that people -tend- to be fairly conservative and don't often vote to radically change things. I would have expected the gap to narrow quite a bit in the immediate before the referendum. Then again, I didn't expect the surge on the No side, so *shrug*.


  • #444
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You have a history of being less than honest, so yeah of course I was going to check it - and I was right. On there you were talking about which facebook pages were official and which were not, yet not you don't even have a facebook account. How very, very convenient.

    Does't matter though, you can view the full statement while not logged in, which I already tried and as I already told you. Funny you chose to ignore that, but not unexpected in the least.


    It is. You are, and through this thread have been, an apologist for those who promote violence and terrorism (so long as those terrorist acts are in the name of far right nationalism/white supremacy), and that's it. End of story.

    Tell it like it is. Bigots only succeed when people stay quiet for Jo Cox I will no longer stay quiet to all who promote hate no matter what religion I am here and to her call hear me rally.


  • #445
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    stefanovich wrote: »
    Funny. They are going to be sacrificing animals in Dublin. The police will do nothing. It's tolerated.
    stefanovich wrote: »

    no it isn't. the police however can't do anything without evidence. they need to be given the info so they can act and deal with it.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    Muslims are allowed to be more cruel. Ban it.

    no they aren't. it can't be banned. they're are regulations in place.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    2011 census disagrees with you. 59.5% Christian.

    doesn't mean anything i'm afraid, as people will put down a religion even if they aren't of it. for example, 84% of people in ireland claim to be catholic, yet they have nothing to do with the religion nor do they practice it.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    I suggest you look at some of the things ISIS say and do and come back to me.

    They appear to be anti EU and pro democracy actually. Again, they are not "just like ISIS". What alternative reality are you posting from?

    yes they are just like isis. similar retterick and as extreme. they are also enemies of democracy.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    One law for them and one for everyone else.

    incorrect. the law applies to all.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    Ban the Burka, ban halal and ban Shariah.

    shariah is all ready banned. the rest can't be done as it's against democracy. it's one's right to wear the birqa if they wish and the authorities all ready have the powers to ask for the removal of the face covering should it be needed.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #446
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Look at your history of the Middke east 1950 to 1980 and ask what went wrong. Afghanistan Iran Iraq all modern countries blown back into the dark ages by a war between right and left. Learn some facts about the people you call deamons.
    I called no one a demon. Yeah the history of the middle east is terrible I do not disagree.
    Billy86 wrote: »
    You have a history of being less than honest, so yeah of course I was going to check it - and I was right. On there you were talking about which facebook pages were official and which were not, yet not you don't even have a facebook account. How very, very convenient.
    Do I really? I think it is creepy. Thank god I do not have a facebook account because you'd probably be trying to find me there too.
    Billy86 wrote: »
    Does't matter though, you can view the full statement while not logged in, which I already tried and as I already told you. Funny you chose to ignore that, but not unexpected in the least.
    I don't care what that woman did or didn't say. You are comparing Britain First to ISIS. They are not cutting peoples heads off in public.
    Billy86 wrote: »
    It is. You are, and through this thread have been, an apologist for those who promote violence and terrorism (so long as those terrorist acts are in the name of far right nationalism/white supremacy), and that's it. End of story.
    End of what story? Your fictional novel? I certainly do not promote violence of any kind unless it is in self defence.
    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    I never was I never knew any who joined why was all Ireland classed as members. You knew members of a terrorist organisation did you tell AGS or the Met. Yet if a Muslim did as you did you would call him a terrorist. You are truly letting the mask slip.
    There were people in my estate who got into trouble for it.
    weisses wrote: »
    I think Britain first and mental instability go hand in hand .. On the plus side Britain will probably vote to stay in now
    There is no plus side to that poor woman getting murdered.


  • #447
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    stefanovich wrote: »
    And? I am not denying there are nice Asian people or nice people who identify as Muslim. There is a massive problem in the UK and has been for a long time. The nice people don't change that.


    Funny. They are going to be sacrificing animals in Dublin. The police will do nothing. It's tolerated.



    Muslims are allowed to be more cruel. Ban it.

    Jesus ate kosher meat.

    Was he cruel?

    What about modern day Jews who slaughter exactly the same way as Muslims.

    Are they cruel?


  • #448
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    stefanovich wrote: »
    The middle east, Israel excepted, is a violent horrible place. Saddam and Assad kept things in check, the only way it works there. I don't agree with the invasion of Iraq or Syria. I think we should let them be. I also do not think importing the 3rd world into Europe is a solution.

    israel is no different to the rest of them apart from religion.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    There were lots of IRA people in Ireland. I personally know people who most certainly were IRA members. Perfectly reasonable behaviour on the part the of British.

    perfectly unreasonable behaviour on behalf of the british, it was all done on the basis of bogus nonsense.
    stefanovich wrote: »
    I don't care what that woman did or didn't say. You are comparing Britain First to ISIS. They are not cutting peoples heads off in public.

    yet.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #449
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I called no one a demon. Yeah the history of the middle east is terrible I do not disagree.


    Do I really? I think it is creepy. Thank god I do not have a facebook account because you'd probably be trying to find me there too.


    I don't care what that woman did or didn't say. You are comparing Britain First to ISIS. They are not cutting peoples heads off in public.


    End of what story? Your fictional novel? I certainly do not promote violence of any kind unless it is in self defence.


    There were people in my estate who got into trouble for it.


    There is no plus side to that poor woman getting murdered.

    Like any person with nothing to back up the view you avoid all difficult questions. Do you agree you should have been classed as a terrorist just because you lived near some. Why is ok for millions of Muslims but not for you?


  • #450
    conditioned games
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭conditioned games


    Don't be surprised to see Tommy Mair dead before he comes to trial. The global elite used mind control on Lee Harvey Oswald to kill JFK because he was bringing in a law to disempower the private Federal Reserve. They got Jack Ruby to kill Oswald and then injected cancer cells into Ruby but the population believed the standard script. Similar tragedy is happening again. Britain will not be allowed leave the EU.


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  • #451
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    unseenfootage wrote: »
    Jesus ate kosher meat.

    Was he cruel?

    What about modern day Jews who slaughter exactly the same way as Muslims.

    Are they cruel?

    Don't ask difficult questions he might have to really look at his opinions.


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