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whelan2 · 18-06-2016 06:01AM

Glad I was in bed early last night some waffle on this thread

keep going · 18-06-2016 06:51AM

Water John wrote: »

Well, speaking recently to a man who had served on the Board of one of the WC coops. He said you have to stand strong or they (management) would walk all over you.
If that's how it is in West Cork, then most of the lads on other coop Boards are being ridden sideways.

Very few, have the knowledge or skills to take on management of coops.
That's the reality.

and thats what you know,he said ,they said ,i heard.nothing further to add here i think when you can hear it second hand somewhere else

Bass Reeves · 18-06-2016 08:06AM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Its this attitude that has you in this mess! What do you expect them to do with so much excess milk no one clearly wants?

Waffletraktor it is called history. Dg has a history of making mistakes. We had a bank here that has the same history it is called AIB, it had ICI, John Rusnak, the famous off shore accounts and then in the banking crisis it was virtually nationlized. Entities like AIB and DG always f@@kup. As was said of one politician if it was raining soup they would have a fork. To ere is human to totally f@@kup it takes showers like these. They are always chasing the fast buck and have no long term strategic plan in place it a case of stumbling from one crisis to the next

Farmer Ed · 18-06-2016 08:19AM

keep going wrote: »

and thats what you know,he said ,they said ,i heard.nothing further to add here i think when you can hear it second hand somewhere else

In all fairness anyone who left Dairygold were invited to attend a meeting with the board there are probably at least 20 people who could swear under oat what they witnessed in the boardroom. It confirmed what they had already been told by former board members who were honest enough to admit it. Basically the company secretary called all the shots. To quote the line from the song that is been recorded for charity
and due to go on sale soon. It's called "The farmer on the window" and is to the same tune as doggy on the window.

"he was met in the board room by a Lynch mob and a Seaneen who's hair was died red and a Looney who was a great enforcer and the rest of them may have been dead"

"says the farmer I think you owe me money I was hoping you may have the cash. I'm afraid of my life that you won't pay me I'm afraid that this business my crash"

It goes on to about 25 verses. I understand the one thing delaying it's release is there may have to be a shorter version recoded for radio but the long version will go on sale. But it kind of says it all. As long as a person can nod their head they usually do quite well on boards.

Just a thought we can all say we have been on "boards". Most of the people I know who have been on other well paid boards are computer illiterate and would not be able to post on here. I personally know that to be a fact.

Waffletraktor · 18-06-2016 08:43AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Waffletraktor it is called history. Dg has a history of making mistakes. We had a bank here that has the same history it is called AIB, it had ICI, John Rusnak, the famous off shore accounts and then in the banking crisis it was virtually nationlized. Entities like AIB and DG always f@@kup. As was said of one politician if it was raining soup they would have a fork. To ere is human to totally f@@kup it takes showers like these. They are always chasing the fast buck and have no long term strategic plan in place it a case of stumbling from one crisis to the next

So why would farms constantly stand collecting all the sh~t from Dgs gambling? Thats just stupid, dont be stupid.

Milked out · 18-06-2016 08:54AM

Farmer ed the ****e you are firing out is getting beyond a joke, every post has you quoting your unknown sources and your speculatuon as fact followed by insulting everyone who you deem a fool for not being as smart as you through stupid generalisations similar to the last part of your previous post. Your all giving out on how dairygold are fools, farmers are fools for still supplying them and then picking out out what you want from other posters posts that have no relevance to any argument. Never a potential solution given just your airing board for dairy gold bashing, as I said previously if that's all your going to do open a thread for it.

greysides · 18-06-2016 09:26AM

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Kovu · 19-06-2016 02:02PM

So.............how are we all today? Slightly more than 24 hours but sure who's counting

Milk price is a very contentious subject at the moment, we understand that. But swiping and arguing among yourselves here is going to be of no using riding out the low prices. Discuss the prices, your levies and where the processors are fcuking you over but try to keep it civil. If needs be, report the posts and let us take a look at them and serve action if appropriate, but don't reply in a rage as it will only create more friction in the long run.

Water John · 19-06-2016 02:22PM

We could have pastuerised a few litres with the heat generated.

greysides · 19-06-2016 02:33PM

Water John wrote: »

We could have pastuerised a few litres with the heat generated.

Would make your eyes Water John.

Farmer Ed · 19-06-2016 03:34PM

I hope I haven't been making people feel uneasy. But I would like to put it on the record inspite of what has been written about me that I have never called anyone a fool. while we might not always agree with everyone else. I don't think it is right to describe someone else's opinion as "spouting ****e". If anyone was to make faulse or misleading allegations about any co op or processer on here I'm sure they would be quick fast in having it removed.

As for what is the solution to the income crisis in dairying? I certainly don't have all the solutions. But I think the first step is recognising we have a problem. The reality is and I'm sorry for repeating myself is that when inflation is taken in to account £1.06 in 1989 is the equivalent of 66c l in today's money.

Should we be asking hard questions? IMO yes we should. It's all very well to look at nz where people can produce milk very cheaply. But inspite of this farmers with hundreds of cows going broke there , that seems to be our only plan as a industry also. Why then is it considered unexceptable to look at the like of French farmers producing milk for Comté cheese and still getting 57 c l? If we just continue to do the same thing over and over again we can hardly evpect different results.

keep going · 19-06-2016 03:42PM

The 24 hours have been very helpful in giving me time to look back over my decision s and my posts and I must admit there is one decision im unhappy and have regrets over , I should have gone to the euros

fepper · 19-06-2016 03:52PM

keep going wrote: »

The 24 hours have been very helpful in giving me time to look back over my decision s and my posts and I must admit there is one decision im unhappy and have regrets over , I should have gone to the euros

Ud be embarrassed to be there yesterday against Belgium,very poor

kevthegaff · 19-06-2016 03:55PM

24hrs I've realized I have a problem, in a sick way I enjoy the doom and gloom

Farmer Ed · 19-06-2016 05:41PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

24hrs I've realized I have a problem, in a sick way I enjoy the doom and gloom

Who knows every xloud has a silver lining. Maybe lessons can be learnt form this.

greenfield21 · 19-06-2016 05:46PM

Low prices are good for low prices, the quicker milk hits about 10-15c the better.

Farmer Ed · 19-06-2016 06:15PM

greenfield21 wrote: »

Low prices are good for low prices, the quicker milk hits about 10-15c the better.

The real elephant in the room is that farm incomes have not kept in line with inflation. Even with prices at above 30 cent in real terms we are still well shy of where we were. If prices continue not to keep pace with inflation then maybe we need to have a rethink. That coupled with bfp not being indexed linked. In real terms unless we become at bit more creative I wouldn't be so confident. But who knows? Sometimes the dark is just before the dawn. Maybe some creative mechanism can be found. Not sure many would survive sub 20 c prices. We could be left with very few still milking if it comes to that.

browned · 19-06-2016 07:30PM

Carbery/Drinagh
Pr 3.81
Bf 4.31
Scc 210
Coop av 25.24
Price 32.21

whelan2 · 19-06-2016 07:32PM

browned wrote: »

Carbery/Drinagh
Pr 3.81
Bf 4.31
Scc 210
Coop av 25.24
Price 32.21

what would your solids and scc have been last year on twice a day milking?

Water John · 19-06-2016 07:38PM

They are good solids and a good price. Hope you have enough litres from each cow.
OAD on the PG Jersey would drive solids higher. The downside would be having to possibly cull the male calves, writing them off at zero money.
Some of the figures being suggested there for the Jerseys were that the FR would give 9.5Kg cheese from 100Kg milk but the Jerseys would give 12.5Kg cheese.

As people are saying here, all options need to be examined to return a decent profit and lifestyle to the farmer.

whelan2 · 19-06-2016 07:45PM

Water John wrote: »

They are good solids and a good price. Hope you have enough litres from each cow.
OAD on the PG Jersey would drive solids higher. The downside would be having to possibly cull the male calves, writing them off at zero money.
Some of the figures being suggested there for the Jerseys were that the FR would give 9.5Kg cheese from 100Kg milk but the Jerseys would give 12.5Kg cheese.

As people are saying here, all options need to be examined to return a decent profit and lifestyle to the farmer.

But as we are all reducing our costs and looking to increase our price should the processors not be looking at reducing their costs too, not knocking everything on to the farmer the whole time

browned · 19-06-2016 07:46PM

whelan2 wrote: »

what would your solids and scc have been last year on twice a day milking?

2015
Bf 4.09
Pr 3.49
Scc 143
Coop av 31.06
Price 33.29

4,000 extra litres supplied this may.

browned · 19-06-2016 07:50PM

Water John wrote: »

They are good solids and a good price. Hope you have enough litres from each cow.
OAD on the PG Jersey would drive solids higher. The downside would be having to possibly cull the male calves, writing them off at zero money.
Some of the figures being suggested there for the Jerseys were that the FR would give 9.5Kg cheese from 100Kg milk but the Jerseys would give 12.5Kg cheese.

As people are saying here, all options need to be examined to return a decent profit and lifestyle to the farmer.

The individual cows doesn't matter on my farm it's all about the collective.
If you had a steady supply of je cows (flying herd) you could Ai all your pb cows to ch or Bb and sell them as high value beef calves

kevthegaff · 19-06-2016 07:54PM

browned wrote:

The individual cows doesn't matter on my farm it's all about the collective. If you had a steady supply of je cows (flying herd) you could Ai all your pb cows to ch or Bb and sell them as high value beef calves

+1

Water John · 19-06-2016 07:59PM

Not a fan either of open herd. I'd place a lot of store on a closed herd from a disease point of view.
Maybe buy in replacements from one source as a compromise.
Yes I accept its the total output in litres X solids that counts as long as you are not feeding too many mouths.
No of replacements also drives up costs.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 19-06-2016 08:14PM

browned wrote: »

The individual cows doesn't matter on my farm it's all about the collective.
If you had a steady supply of je cows (flying herd) you could Ai all your pb cows to ch or Bb and sell them as high value beef calves

Would sexed semen be a runner with you, first 30% to sexed semen and the rest to beef sires?

Does anyone know what happened with the results from sexed semen last year, was it deemed a success?

I assume not as there was no sexed semen offered this year?

mf240 · 19-06-2016 08:14PM

browned wrote: »

The individual cows doesn't matter on my farm it's all about the collective.
If you had a steady supply of je cows (flying herd) you could Ai all your pb cows to ch or Bb and sell them as high value beef calves

You won't get much of a charlaios out of a pb jersey. You certainly won't have repeat customers. A Belgian blue out of a pb jersey will resemble Michael d with a blue rinse.

whelan2 · 19-06-2016 08:19PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Would sexed semen be a runner with you, first 30% to sexed semen and the rest to beef sires?

Does anyone know what happened with the results from sexed semen last year, was it deemed a success?

I assume not as there was no sexed semen offered this year?

I always used a bit of sexed semen on cows and found it worked well. Didnt use any this year though

browned · 19-06-2016 08:21PM

Water John wrote: »

Not a fan either of open herd. I'd place a lot of store on a closed herd from a disease point of view.
Maybe buy in replacements from one source as a compromise.
Yes I accept its the total output in litres X solids that counts as long as you are not feeding too many mouths.
No of replacements also drives up costs.

Completely agree about the disease risk of a flying herd but Have an agreement with another farmer for repl. His is a closed herd and has a similar disease vaccination programme. Have an fixed price and will buy after they've calved so he can still breed a potential repl from her. Suits both him and me.

browned · 19-06-2016 08:24PM

mf240 wrote: »

You won't get much of a charlaios out of a pb jersey. You certainly won't have repeat customers. A Belgian blue out of a pb jersey will resemble Michael d with a blue rinse.

I don't have any pb jerseys or intend having any but that's what I've heard from numerous sources. If you cross a ch or a bb with a pb Jersey cow the calf will resemble the sire.

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