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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #9032
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,397 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I see Strathroy open to new suppliers on Farming Indo.
    Might be time for a few to put processors on notice.


  • #9033
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Water John wrote: »
    I see Strathroy open to new suppliers on Farming Indo.
    Might be time for a few to put processors on notice.

    Can't beat a bit of competition. Talk of a few more having given notice to go to Arrabawn.also. I' have a funny reeling there could be more people who didn't sign contractss than people know about.


  • #9034
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Creed to the rescue he's going on a junket to China in the autumn. Problem solved. I remember having a long discussion with him years ago when I was having difficulty with quotas and he telling me how good they were. Well fair play he doesn't seem to be a man afraid to change his mind.

    The good news is one of the UK processors has announced a milk price increase. Fingers crossed.

    We shouldn’t look backwards at a quota regime – Minister Creed @agrilandIreland http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/we-shouldnt-look-backwards-at-a-quota-regime-minister-creed/

    His latest brainwave is a cashflow budget manual for all us mathematically challanged dairy farmers, seems it's not the co-ops fault we are in the red, simply not managing our cash - flow correctly haha


  • #9035
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,284 ✭✭✭alps


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    His latest brainwave is a cashflow budget manual for all us mathematically challanged dairy farmers, seems it's not the co-ops fault we are in the red, simply not managing our cash - flow correctly haha

    Ask him to fill it in for you....he'll have your profit monitor at hand to guide him. ..


  • #9036
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    His latest brainwave is a cashflow budget manual for all us mathematically challanged dairy farmers, seems it's not the co-ops fault we are in the red, simply not managing our cash - flow correctly haha

    Pretty condescending to say the least.


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  • #9037
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Pretty condescending to say the least.

    Theirs a seriously skewed line been towed by this excuse for a minister, first of all lauding the lowest paying co-op in the country and been a extra in a promo video for a scheme that's seriously iffy to say the least and then instead of coming out with something constructive from this dairy forum he decides to lecture lads about cash - flow.....
    Still was harping on about 2020 and how all this extra milk and will benefit the wider economy but the lad pulling tits seems to be a after thought, seen bord bia predict that only around 35,000 cows will be culled extra this year from the dairy herd I reckon 100,000 will be a closer figure can see lads taking a knife to their herds in the back - end simply trying to get cash in as milk cheques get smaller and smaller might be the wake - up call the suits need to start paying for milk


  • #9038
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Does anyone know who makes up the so called experts on the dairy forum?


  • #9039
    visatorro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭visatorro


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Theirs a seriously skewed line been towed by this excuse for a minister, first of all lauding the lowest paying co-op in the country and been a extra in a promo video for a scheme that's seriously iffy to say the least and then instead of coming out with something constructive from this dairy forum he decides to lecture lads about cash - flow.....
    Still was harping on about 2020 and how all this extra milk and how it will benefit the wider economy but the lad pulling tits seems to be a after thought, seen bord bia predict that only around 35,000 cows will be culled extra this year from the dairy herd I reckon 100,000 will be a closer figure can see lads taking a knife to their herds in the back - end simply trying to get cash in as milk cheques get smaller and smaller might be the wake - up call the suits need to start paying for milk

    Agree with you.
    But don't believe the big cull will happen. There will be more cows culled because there's more cows being Milked. More heifers will calf down next spring than ever before. Paddy won't reduce numbers. Pride and one cent margins will make it worthwhile.


  • #9040
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Does anyone know who makes up the so called experts on the dairy forum?
    Are you on it? :)


  • #9041
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Are you on it? :)

    Sure just I didn't catch the other guys names and I recognise alot of the faces. Getting embarrassing and just driving me a bit mad now . I'd love to know what we are being paid too? Was asleep when they spoke about that. Not sure who's idea it was to issue every farmer with a bean counter? Missed that part as well. For some reason they all seem to love me. I think they might even make me chairman. I really must find out their names. I can't really refer to someone as "yourman with the cheap suit". I suppose I could but it could get very confusing. Must say I love my new job. I'm able to catch up on a lot of sleep.

    My proposal for the next meeting is that we should issue a booklet to every farmer explaining the virtues of fasting and a sort dvd on how to dodge someone you owe money to.


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  • #9042
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Fingers crossed things might be bottoming out. http://theglobaldairy.com/noticias/milk-production-is-falling-across-the-world-47446/


  • #9043
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    visatorro wrote: »
    Agree with you.
    But don't believe the big cull will happen. There will be more cows culled because there's more cows being Milked. More heifers will calf down next spring than ever before. Paddy won't reduce numbers. Pride and one cent margins will make it worthwhile.

    Pride won't pay the bills, coming into the spring next year their is going to be savage pressure put on cash flow, if guys have their limits reached/maxed out, how are they going to carry more numbers into the spring and fund meal/fert for these ladies......
    I'd say all merchants/co-ops will be very tetchy about extending credit limits, if nice bills have been run-up on the back of this year and farmers are slow about clearing them/getting them under control they might stop credit in some cases


  • #9044
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,788 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Pride won't pay the bills, coming into the spring next year their is going to be savage pressure put on cash flow, if guys have their limits reached/maxed out, how are they going to carry more numbers into the spring and fund meal/fert for these ladies......
    I'd say all merchants/co-ops will be very tetchy about extending credit limits, if nice bills have been run-up on the back of this year and farmers are slow about clearing them/getting them under control they might stop credit in some cases
    The main thing to do is to write down each month what you owe and what you can pay. Let the people you owe money to know what the story is that you will pay eventually , even giving them a small bit every month is better than nothing. This crack of avoiding salesmen does you no good in the end. If you dont want to talk to them let them know by text/email.


  • #9045
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    whelan2 wrote: »
    The main thing to do is to write down each month what you owe and what you can pay. Let the people you owe money to know what the story is that you will pay eventually , even giving them a small bit every month is better than nothing. This crack of avoiding salesmen does you no good in the end. If you dont want to talk to them let them know by text/email.

    Totally agree with you.

    Very hard to quantify, but it's not just sales men and merchants that could be effected. The list is endless. Contractors, vets,accountants, contract rearers, people with land let to dairy farmers, tillage farmers supplying straw. The implications to the wider rural economy could be very serious.

    I am not convinced some still understand how potentially serious? The banks were bailed out because they were considered too important to the economy. The question now is. How important are dairy farmers to the economy?


  • #9046
    OverRide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 665 ✭✭✭OverRide


    Agree with whelan2 on what to do

    Our favourite 'co op /plc' by the way is already seizing entire milk cheques even in cases where they are talking to the customer's
    Thats not helping matters


  • #9047
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    OverRide wrote: »
    Agree with whelan2 on what to do

    Our favourite 'co op /plc' by the way is already seizing entire milk cheques even in cases where they are talking to the customer's
    Thats not helping matters

    That was happening as far back as last July with another big co op. I must say credit where credit is due. I did a bit of trading with Arrabawn and was pleasantly surprised that they had the courtesy the give me a call to ask was it OK to take money from the May cheque. A bit of understanding goes a long way.


  • #9048
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    That was happening as far back as last July with another big co op. I must say credit where credit is due. I did a bit of trading with Arrabawn and was pleasantly surprised that they had the courtesy the give me a call to ask was it OK to take money from the May cheque. A bit of understanding goes a long way.

    https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/44583716.jpg

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #9049
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    OverRide wrote:
    Our favourite 'co op /plc' by the way is already seizing entire milk cheques even in cases where they are talking to the customer's Thats not helping matters


    In 2009 1 month I got no milk cheque luckily I had plenty of culls to sell at a good price. Ppl won't even have that this year. Eradication of quotas effected not only milk price but cow beef price.


  • #9050
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    blue5000 wrote: »
    https://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/44583716.jpg

    Blue I fail to see how I have offended you? I'm sure I'm entitled to share my experiences on here just the same as everyone else. Milk price is crap at the moment. I'm sorry but that is not of my doing. I have no idea what amount of private messaging has been going on here trying to band people with views that one might not agree with as some kind of conspiracy theorists. I can assure you if I was to post anything on here that was untrue. It would be removed pretty quickly. My intension is certainly not to offend you or anyone else. But I do think I have a right to freedom of opinion. Normally your posts are well balanced. Not sure what promoted you to making that outburst.


  • #9051
    OverRide
    Closed Accounts Posts: 665 ✭✭✭OverRide


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Blue I fail to see how I have offended you? I'm sure I'm entitled to share my experiences on here just the same as everyone else. Milk price is crap at the moment. I'm sorry but that is not of my doing. I have no idea what amount of private messaging has been going on here trying to band people with views that one might not agree with as some kind of conspiracy theorists. I can assure you if I was to post anything on here that was untrue. It would be removed pretty quickly. My intension is certainly not to offend you or anyone else. But I do think I have a right to freedom of opinion. Normally your posts are well balanced. Not sure what promoted you to making that outburst.

    Eh ??? Hes referring to the co op not you
    He used say feck off when they took a milk cheque,now he says thats nice (sarcasticly) like mrs brown would

    I really think,when things are misunderstood that badly its time to take a break from reading here


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  • #9052
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    OverRide wrote: »
    Eh ??? Hes referring to the co op not you
    He used say feck off when they took a milk cheque,now he says thats nice (sarcasticly) like mrs brown would

    I really think,when things are misunderstood that badly its time to take a break from reading here


    OK my apologies. My misunstanding. Apparently there was an orgtrated closing of accounts here yesterday as some type of protest. Obviously a lot of private messaging going on. I would be expecting them back again as new members. Possibly the rumors of the demise of those posters could be a bit premature.


  • #9053
    Kovu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,241 ✭✭✭✭Kovu


    PM's are the business of nobody but the sender and the receiver. Same goes for reasons behind closing accounts or opening new ones. It's plain rude to discuss it tbh, so let this be an end to it.


  • #9054
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    Blue I fail to see how I have offended you? I'm sure I'm entitled to share my experiences on here just the same as everyone else. Milk price is crap at the moment. I'm sorry but that is not of my doing. I have no idea what amount of private messaging has been going on here trying to band people with views that one might not agree with as some kind of conspiracy theorists. I can assure you if I was to post anything on here that was untrue. It would be removed pretty quickly. My intension is certainly not to offend you or anyone else. But I do think I have a right to freedom of opinion. Normally your posts are well balanced. Not sure what promoted you to making that outburst.

    As OverRide says it was aimed at the co-op Ed, not you, no offence taken, apology accepted.
    Just to clarify where I was coming from:

    I used to be a supplier, a lot of my neighbours still are, some aren't anymore. In the past they were not as 'nice' about taking money from cheques for feed and fertiliser, it looks like they may have changed tactics.
    I don't buy anything from them anymore as one of the first things they did when I stopped supplying milk was to close my trading account. I'd even think twice before picking up a lb of their butter in the supermarket.

    In my opinion the bigger you were the more co-operation you got, ie. credit terms, interest charged etc.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #9055
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    In 2009 1 month I got no milk cheque luckily I had plenty of culls to sell at a good price. Ppl won't even have that this year. Eradication of quotas effected not only milk price but cow beef price.

    Cow beef price is about a euro a kilo kilo better than in 09. Also the silage is made this year now in good order and hassle free. And grass is bursting up and very good grazing conditions now after the torrid Spring. 09 was a Cnut of a summer.


  • #9056
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    blue5000 wrote: »
    As OverRide says it was aimed at the co-op Ed, not you, no offence taken, apology accepted.
    Just to clarify where I was coming from:

    I used to be a supplier, a lot of my neighbours still are, some aren't anymore. In the past they were not as 'nice' about taking money from cheques for feed and fertiliser, it looks like they may have changed tactics.
    I don't buy anything from them anymore as one of the first things they did when I stopped supplying milk was to close my trading account. I'd even think twice before picking up a lb of their butter in the supermarket.

    In my opinion the bigger you were the more co-operation you got, ie. credit terms, interest charged etc.


    Are you supplying another co op or did you stop milking? When I look back at what quotas were worth and what we paid for them. Maybe getting out at the right time was a wise option


  • #9057
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Not milking anymore, main issue was milking platform was too small to expand.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #9058
    caseman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭caseman


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Not milking anymore, main issue was milking platform was too small to expand.

    How many cows could platform hold
    with all the talk of needing a couple of hundred cows mé not so sure.


  • #9059
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,865 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    There's 45 acres round the yard, land is in 4 sections, walking roads and cows breaking into gardens was a pia. Much simpler to let off a bull with a bunch of suckler cows to the out farms.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #9060
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    http://theglobaldairy.com/noticias/arla-holds-july-milk-price-as-dairy-market-stabilises-47480/

    When converted to euro that's 24.84 c l at today's exchange rate.


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  • #9061
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    http://theglobaldairy.com/noticias/arla-holds-july-milk-price-as-dairy-market-stabilises-47480/

    When converted to euro that's 24.84 c l at today's exchange rate.

    Glanbia have guaranteed 18.5 pence for august milk from a base of 15 pence for May milk, so around 24 cent, would love to see their reasoning for how they can pay more for British milk then Irish, probably a case of they would of started losing suppliers as no msa out their as far as I know


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