British Labour MP shot near Leeds (mod warning in first post)

Cabaal · 16-06-2016 06:39PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

I agree. But there is no proof they were behind this.

I didn't say they are

Would be interesting to see if the chap with the gun was a member though or do his views even align to Britain First

FTA69 · 16-06-2016 06:40PM

Cabaal wrote: »

I didn't say they are
Would be interesting to see if the chap with the gun was a member though or do his views even align to Britain First

It's all over Facebook that he was a subscriber to far right magazines but God knows how reliable that is.

eviltwin · 16-06-2016 06:44PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Apparently now, she was the victim of a row between two other people. Not targeted?

Still horrible, but how quickly and fast the dynamics of the media reporting of these events can change.

I thought that had been mentioned earlier but later discounted by the British media?

ClovenHoof · 16-06-2016 06:44PM

Remember how Barry George was obsessed with killing Jill Dando and the proof was he was a Queen fan?

Nine years in prison - an innocent man - due to the initial media lies and hysteria

ClovenHoof · 16-06-2016 06:45PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I thought that had been mentioned earlier but later discounted by the British media?

now it is back apparently. it was discounted with the 'Britain First!' lie.

dav3 · 16-06-2016 06:50PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

now it is back apparently. it was discounted with the 'Britain First!' lie.

You appear to be getting rather worked up over people blaming britain first over this.
All people have to go on are a number of named witnesses that claim he shouted 'britain first' and that a 77 year old man was injured when he tried to intervene.

ClovenHoof · 16-06-2016 06:53PM

dav3 wrote: »

You appear to be getting rather worked up over people blaming britain first over this.
All people have to go on are a number of named witnesses that claim he shouted 'britain first' and that a 77 year old man was injured when he tried to intervene.

I hate BF, but there are some very serious consequences to the possibility of one of her own REMAIN people using her murder to lie for political gain

that is very serious in my opinion.

Its dead Jim · 16-06-2016 06:58PM

I would be surprised if she wasn't targeted. He was equipped to kill a person and was a bit too thorough. Will have to wait and see. Getting him alive would help to clear up what's going on. If it does turn out to be related to BF then I hope this thread turns out better than the Breivik one. People have already started with the conspiracy theories.

RayM · 16-06-2016 06:58PM

Someone with the name 'Thomas Mair', from Batley in Yorkshire, was a subscriber to an anti-ANC, pro-apartheid magazine. According to Wikipedia, the town has a population of around 50,000, so it may or may not be the same person. Even if he did have far-right beliefs, the murder may or may not have been motivated by that ideology. Nobody really knows yet, but it'll probably become clearer soon enough.

It's all so grim. All Jo Cox did was go to work today, just like any other day, to help people. And now two very young children have no mum.

Mr. CooL ICE · 16-06-2016 07:06PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Mod:

Enough of the conspiracy theories

ClovenHoof wrote: »

I agree. But there is no proof they were behind this.

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Remember how Barry George was obsessed with killing Jill Dando and the proof was he was a Queen fan?

Nine years in prison - an innocent man - due to the initial media lies and hysteria

ClovenHoof wrote: »

I hate BF, but there are some very serious consequences to the possibility of one of her own REMAIN people using her murder to lie for political gain

that is very serious in my opinion.

Mod:

Don't post in this thread again.

nacho libre · 16-06-2016 07:11PM

She seemed like a genuine person. Cameron seemed to be genuinely upset about her death. shocking to think she survived working in some dodgy places only to be killed in a supposedly sedate spot. i really hope people involved in the brexit referendum don't start playing politics with her death. maybe a naive hope on my part

slimpickens · 16-06-2016 07:12PM

From her husband:

Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives. More difficult, more painful, less joyful, less full of love. I and Jo's friends and family are going to work every moment of our lives to love and nurture our kids and to fight against the hate that killed Jo.

Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people. She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her. Hate doesn't have a creed, race or religion, it is poisonous.
Jo would have no regrets about her life, she lived every day of it to the full.

– Brendan Cox

Alf Stewart. · 16-06-2016 07:16PM

The world is a scary fcukin place at times.

RIP

12Phase · 16-06-2016 07:21PM

nacho libre wrote: »

She seemed like a genuine person. Cameron seemed to be genuinely upset about her death. shocking to think she survived working in some dodgy places only to be killed in a supposedly sedate spot. i really hope people involved in the brexit don't start playing politics with her death. maybe a naive hope on my part

At the end of the day everyone's a colleague in any parliamentary system. they're just not all in agreement on what they're doing how how to do it, but they're all doing the same job.

I know we're all a little cynical about politics and I know you get the odd bad egg in the political system but most MPs and TDs are very much salt of the earth people who their best to represent their constituents and improve things. They're the people who put themselves forward when most of the rest of us sit back and let things happen.

This is just a local mp doing what is at the core of community here in Ireland as much as it is in Britain; the local TD/MP chatting to constituents in their clinic.

Whatever the motive, it's a horrific attack on a very ordinary and very close to home part of society and democracy.

Grayson · 16-06-2016 07:22PM

Its dead Jim wrote: »

I would be surprised if she wasn't targeted. He was equipped to kill a person and was a bit too thorough. Will have to wait and see. Getting him alive would help to clear up what's going on. If it does turn out to be related to BF then I hope this thread turns out better than the Breivik one. People have already started with the conspiracy theories.

Yeah. The guy had a gun which is pretty rare in the UK. So she was either really unlucky and stumbled into something or the guy targeted her.

LordSutch · 16-06-2016 07:23PM

I hear talk of a homemade gun? or maybe a very old gun?

FTA69 · 16-06-2016 07:23PM

The gun was homemade apparently.

cml387 · 16-06-2016 07:30PM

You need only read some forums (not necessarily here) to see the visceral hatred dished out to politicians of all parties.

It only takes one of these nuts to get worked up enough to do something like this.

That's not to say this was the case here, but bear in mind when hatred is vented towards politicians, there is someone in that baying mob who is irrational enough to carry the threat further than just verbals.

And I'm afraid to say the social media is making it worse.

nacho libre · 16-06-2016 07:32PM

12Phase wrote: »

At the end of the day everyone's a colleague in any parliamentary system. they're just not all in agreement on what they're doing how how to do it, but they're all doing the same job.

I know we're all a little cynical about politics and I know you get the odd bad egg in the political system but most MPs and TDs are very much salt of the earth people who their best to represent their constituents and improve things. They're the people who put themselves forward when most of the rest of us sit back and let things happen.

This is just a local mp doing what is at the core of community here in Ireland as much as it is in Britain; the local TD/MP chatting to constituents in their clinic.

Whatever the motive, it's a horrific attack on a very ordinary and very close to home part of society and democracy.

I would agree with that, contrary to popular perception, most politicians are decent people who get into politics as they want to improve society.

The statement from her husband is very courageous and compassionate- it would be very easy for him to be consumed by grief, bitterness and hate at this time.

BigBrownBear · 16-06-2016 07:33PM

Strange the way the Daily Mail aren't allowing comments...........

Saipanne · 16-06-2016 07:34PM

cml387 wrote: »

You need only read some forums (not necessarily here) to see the visceral hatred dished out to politicians of all parties.

It only takes one of these nuts to get worked up enough to do something like this.

That's not to say this was the case here, but bear in mind when hatred is vented towards politicians, there is someone in that baying mob who is irrational enough to carry the threat further than just verbals.

And I'm afraid to say the social media is making it worse.

I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen people implying that they want *insert politician* to meet a violent end.

Saipanne · 16-06-2016 07:35PM

BigBrownBear wrote: »

Strange the way the Daily Mail aren't allowing comments...........

Same as the Guardian shutting down comments on anything Islam related. News sites suiting their own agenda shocka.

Richard Hillman · 16-06-2016 07:39PM

BigBrownBear wrote: »

Strange the way the Daily Mail aren't allowing comments...........

It is a criminal case. Comments or rumours about what happened on the incident itself may skew public opinion.

vg88 · 16-06-2016 07:39PM

A guy on sky news said it happened in her GP by someone from britain first?

Does anyone have a police source yet what actually happened?

Annasopra · 16-06-2016 07:43PM

BigBrownBear wrote: »

Strange the way the Daily Mail aren't allowing comments...........

Not really. like boards.ie does when cases have to go to prosecution here.

My name is URL · 16-06-2016 07:46PM

moloner4 wrote: »

Does anyone have a police source yet what actually happened?

Doubt it. Doubt that the police even know for sure what happened yet

vg88 · 16-06-2016 07:46PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Not really. like boards.ie does when cases have to go to prosecution here.

Or when someone mention denis o'brien....

Back to the poor lady family. I couldn't even think what the husband is going through losing his wife now with two young daughters. I really hope he can get through this.

Annasopra · 16-06-2016 07:53PM

moloner4 wrote: »

Or when someone mention denis o'brien....

Back to the poor lady family. I couldn't even think what the husband is going through losing his wife now with two young daughters. I really hope he can get through this.

Very dignified

In a statement, Brendan Cox said: "Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives. More difficult, more painful, less joyful, less full of love. I and Jo's friends and family are going to work every moment of our lives to love and nurture our kids and to fight against the hate that killed Jo.

"Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people.

"She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her. Hate doesn't have a creed, race or religion, it is poisionous.

"Jo would have no regrets about her life, she lived every day of it to the full."

Jayop · 16-06-2016 08:05PM

slimpickens wrote: »

From her husband:
Today is the beginning of a new chapter in our lives. More difficult, more painful, less joyful, less full of love. I and Jo's friends and family are going to work every moment of our lives to love and nurture our kids and to fight against the hate that killed Jo.
Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people. She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her. Hate doesn't have a creed, race or religion, it is poisonous.
Jo would have no regrets about her life, she lived every day of it to the full.

– Brendan Cox

Wow. What a poignant and powerful statement. How someone can not be filled with so much rage at a time like this is beyond me.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It is a criminal case. Comments or rumours about what happened on the incident itself may skew public opinion.

The Daily Mail's only reason for existence is to skew public opinion. The only reason they shut down comments is when the skewing won't suit their editorial agenda.

16-06-2016 08:06PM

The Daily Mail article was taking comments earlier