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British Labour MP shot near Leeds (mod warning in first post)

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  • #32
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,095 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    RobertKK wrote: »
    It was said on Sky News

    And you trust them??


  • #33
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    And you trust them??

    I was posting 'don't shoot the messenger' but then decided it was inappropriate given the circumstances.
    I am just posting what is being reported.


  • #34
    entropi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,731 ✭✭✭✭entropi


    My name is URL wrote: »
    They see remain campaigners as an enemy whoa re enabling an 'occupation'

    They're fcuked in the head. They've also threatened the London mayor, in case anyone is under the illusion that this was just some random act by a lone nutter. The group openly encourages and has threatened violence

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/sadiq-khan-britain-first-london-mayor-threaten-direct-action-a7047991.html
    Could that not be treated as incitement to hatred, therefore under the remit of the ministry of justice to take action?

    If they've been running "activist" camps, then it could potentially be classed as internal terrorism.


    Also: don't trust whatever you see on Sky News, or any one single news source.


  • #35
    beach_walker
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Will this be considered an act of terrorism either way?

    Well does it matter?


  • #36
    Coat22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Coat22


    From BBC:

    "We've just had this eyewitness account of the attack on Batley and Spen Labour MP Jo Cox in Birstall this afternoon from Hichem Ben Abdallah:
    Ben told us he saw a "river of people running down the road, screaming and running towards the scene".
    He saw a white man of medium height, wearing a baseball cap and grey clothes who was hitting Mrs Cox.
    He then saw a man trying to restrain the man who was hitting the MP. Then the man wearing a baseball cap pulled a gun out of his bag and pointed it at Jo and fired two shots"

    Jesus H Christ


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  • #37
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    beach_walker wrote: »
    Well does it matter?

    When you have a hate group openly encouraging and threatening violence, holding training days in the mountains, and an alleged member of that group actually carrying out an attack; then yes it does matter.


  • #38
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    This reminds me of the attempted assasination of Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson a few years back- in that case the perpetrator was a young man who was mentally ill (schizophrenic), I really hope that's the case here. It would be a lot easier to get my head around than the organised, reasonably thought-out violence behind BF and ultra right-wingers.


  • #39
    wes
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    It will be gun control being the problem...

    The weapon was a home made gun.

    UK doesn't have anywhere near the same level of mass shootings as the US, so gun control in the UK can be seen as being largely successful.


  • #40
    beach_walker
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    When you have a hate group openly encouraging and threatening violence, holding training days in the mountains, and an alleged member of that group actually carrying out an attack; then yes it does matter.

    Fair enough.


  • #41
    entropi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,731 ✭✭✭✭entropi


    beach_walker wrote: »
    Well does it matter?
    Of course it does. If they are deemed a threat against the laws and ideals of England, it's sovereignty and it's people, action should be taken against them from causing further unrest, or potentially something more dangerous.


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  • #42
    elfy4eva
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    Jesus that's terrifying, thoughts go out to her, really hope she'll pull through.

    Utter scum who could do something like that.


  • #43
    RobertKK
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    One report says the knife used to stab her was up to 1 foot long.

    Her poor family and friends.


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
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    This is going to be a shock to both sides. Neither pushing force wants this sort of violence or vitriol.


  • #45
    Raging_Ninja
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    One report says the knife used to stab her was up to 1 foot long.

    Her poor family and friends.

    A 1 inch blade is "up to 1 foot long"...


  • #46
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    I hope the lady recovers.

    However, I am still putting on my conspiracy hat for this one...shades of Dr Kelly and Mi5 under orders from the pro EU British establishment to generate a spectacular to swing undecided voters to the pro EU side.

    From Britain First' point of view doing this would make no sense. If BF were a patsy operation run by Mi5 (like the IRA were during the Shankill Bombing), it makes loads of sense.

    After all, we are talking about the same establishment bunch who murder 14 year old boys during S&M sex parties, protect Jimmy Savile for 40 years and then lock up Rolf Harris instead.

    Of course I know this is boards and boardies see people in positions of great power as infallible paragons of virtue incapable of 'conspiracies'...


  • #47
    makingmecrazy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 357 ✭✭makingmecrazy


    Why do people think this will affect the Brexit and how so?


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    protect Jimmy Savile for 40 years and then lock up Rolf Harris instead.
    Not sure I follow the end of that.


  • #49
    Sierra Oscar
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »

    However, I am still putting on my conspiracy hat for this one...shades of Dr Kelly and Mi5 under orders from the pro EU British establishment to generate a spectacular. From Britain First' point of view doing this would make no sense. If BF were a patsy operation it makes loads of sense.

    Ah here ffs. Some people are just unhinged. They don't need to be explicitly following orders even though they are following a particular cause. It's a bit mad to be claiming this is some sort of inside MI5 job before we even know more about the attacker. I suspect he will be affiliated to Britain First, whose leaders have a lot to answer for when it comes to incitement of hatred and how their hate speech can be picked up and acted on by someone who is unhinged.


  • #50
    my3cents
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    makingmecrazy wrote: »
    Why do people think this will affect the Brexit and how so?

    The vote for many will be on the bases of emotions rather than any firm knowledge of what either outcome will bring so something like this might have an effect on voting.


  • #51
    Richard Hillman
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    An attack on democracy.


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  • #52
    RobertKK
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    I hope the lady recovers.

    However, I am still putting on my conspiracy hat for this one...shades of Dr Kelly and Mi5 under orders from the pro EU British establishment to generate a spectacular. From Britain First' point of view doing this would make no sense. If BF were a patsy operation it makes loads of sense.

    After all, we are talking about the same establishment bunch who murder 14 year old boys during S&M sex parties, protect Jimmy Savile for 40 years and then lock up Rolf Harris instead.

    Of course I know this is boards and boardies see people in positions of great power as infallible paragons of virtue incapable of 'conspiracies'...


    Hopefully she recovers as you say, but I seriously doubt the establishment tried to kill her. She was not doing anything that was controversial or dangerous to the establishment.
    The attacker may have held warped extremist political views.


  • #53
    ClovenHoof
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    An attack on democracy.

    Makes a nice change from Democracy attacking people in the Middle East constantly I guess.


  • #54
    ClovenHoof
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Ah here ffs. Some people are just unhinged. They don't need to be explicitly following orders even though they are following a particular cause. It's a bit mad to be claiming this is some sort of inside MI5 job before we even know more about the attacker. I suspect he will be affiliated to Britain First, whose leaders have a lot to answer for when it comes to incitement of hatred and how their hate speech can be picked up and acted on by someone who is unhinged.


    Fair enough but I am not ruling out any cloak and dagger stuff either.

    Either way I hope the lady makes it.


  • #55
    Trent Houseboat
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    Have you wandered into this thread by mistake?


  • #56
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    An attack on democracy.

    Makes a nice change from Democracy attacking people in the Middle East constantly I guess.

    Troll


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Of course I know this is boards and boardies see people in positions of great power as infallible paragons of virtue incapable of 'conspiracies'...

    I certainly don't.


  • #58
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    Makes a nice change from Democracy attacking people in the Middle East constantly I guess.

    wtf are you talking about?


  • #59
    makingmecrazy
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    my3cents wrote: »
    The vote for many will be on the bases of emotions rather than any firm knowledge of what either outcome will bring so something like this might have an effect on voting.

    That still doesn't explain why people will think it will have a effect, and which side they think it will effect more?


  • #60
    ClovenHoof
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    makingmecrazy wrote: »
    Why do people think this will affect the Brexit and how so?


    I guess the idea that undecided voters will feel sympathy for Jo Cox and instead of sending her flowers in hospital vote to stay in the EU instead.

    People are like that. Remember the guy who got elected down in Dungarvan as a TD because his father fell off a cliff?

    People are generally morons.


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  • #61
    Tabnabs
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    I guess the idea that undecided voters will feel sympathy for Jo Cox and instead of sending her flowers in hospital vote to stay in the EU instead.

    People are like that. Remember the guy who got elected down in Dungarvan as a TD because his father fell off a cliff?

    People are generally morons.

    Never a truer word spoken...


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