Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

stefanovich · 12-06-2016 09:58PM

30 years ago perhaps I could have said the same about the Irish communities. We are dealing with reality now. I am saying that being a Muslim should be a red flag in and of itself. You are higher risk due to the overrepresentation of terrorists in the Muslim community.

Polo_Mint · 12-06-2016 09:59PM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Where is the outrage and protest from Muslims about these homicidal rampages and bombings carried out in their name? I don't see any. Silence gives consent.

You said the following

Then you say

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

I am not painting them all with the same brush. I am merely pointing out that there no mass movement within Islam that a, tries to reform it and b, condemns extremism.

So which is it

All Muslims consent to this terrorism?

or

Some Muslims consent to this terrorism?

Superhorse · 12-06-2016 09:59PM

Trump has called on Obama to resign for not referring to this attack for what it is a radical Islamic attack. He is 100% correct. Obama has been a disaster as president.

Billy86 · 12-06-2016 09:59PM

Matt Markinson wrote: »

Not according to people exactly like you in the UK at the time, and actually Irish people who condemed the IRA attacks were not publised that often, a) because they feared reprisals themselves from the republican nutters and their supporters, and b) it didn't fit the agenda of people like you in the uk.

FYP for you again . . reminds me of the 80's

NO NO NO THAT WAS DIFFERENT!

WE ARE WHITE CHRISTIANS!

WE HAVE 'EUROPEAN' NAMES!

IT WAS DIFFERENT!!

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-06-2016 10:02PM

stefanovich wrote: »

Please don't misquote me. I lived through the 80s too you know both in the UK and here and it is incomparable to what we are seeing today in Islam. The sheer numbers of terrorist sympathisers.

Like all the thousands of Irish people who used to put money in the tin when the Shinners used to come into the pubs on a Friday/Saturday night?

How about all the good Americans who used to support Noraid for decades?

Terrorist sympathisers each and every one.

stoplooklisten · 12-06-2016 10:03PM

so this guy was previously investigated twice by the FBI

...huh!

12-06-2016 10:04PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Trump has called on Obama to resign for not referring to this attack for what it is a radical Islamic attack. He is 100% correct. Obama has been a disaster as president.

Removed many soldiers from a warzone they probably shouldn't have been in at all.

Improved their healthcare (Obamacare)

Decreased unemployment massively

Is shutting down Guantanamo Bay, where many people were held illegally and suffered cruelty & torture

Improved diplomatic relations internationally.

Yes. Absolute disaster of a president /s

Penny Tration · 12-06-2016 10:05PM

I'm not an Islam apologist.

I honestly hate Islam. I hate Christianity too but I digress. I think Islam is a religion that while purporting to be peaceful, is rooted in disgusting, evil cultural practices.
I'd wager that there are many, many more acts of terrorism carried out by Muslim people than by Christians, at least nowadays.

However, this is not representative of all Muslim people. I know plenty of kind, caring, loving Muslim people. They cover up their bodies, they pray a lot, they eat halal, they follow customs like Ramadan. And that's it. They don't condemn gay people, or women who wear short skirts. They live their life, we live ours.

I fully agree with tighter restrictions on immigrants and refugees, but someone suggested quarantine for all Muslim people. That's vile. should all Christians be locked up and watched 24/7 because their religious text recommends stoning gay men?

Hate ISIS. Hate extremists. Hate Islam. Don't hate normal, Joe Soap Muslims who live peaceful, quiet lives like you and I. They are not the problem. They're living lives similarly to good Christians or good atheists, just with different rituals.

Hate the religion all you like, but don't blame the innocents. Not all Muslims are bad people, just like not all Christians are bad people, despite what both of their religious texts say.

aloyisious · 12-06-2016 10:05PM

White Ninja wrote: »

I assume US authorities were investigating him because of intercepted communications, he had to be talking to somebody about radical views.

Seem's around 3 years ago (2013) he was reported by fellow employees for what he was saying. According to an FBI spokesman giving a briefing to TV media in Florida, they interviewed him twice back then and the interviews came to an inconclusive end.

Cienciano · 12-06-2016 10:05PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Trump can **** right off.

Will be interesting to see what he does as president. This attack means he's pretty much nailed on as president

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-06-2016 10:06PM

Superhorse wrote: »

Trump has called on Obama to resign for not referring to this attack for what it is a radical Islamic attack. He is 100% correct. Obama has been a disaster as president.

Trump is a ****wit of the highest order who will milk this for all it's worth

Sand · 12-06-2016 10:06PM

Billy86 wrote: »

NO NO NO THAT WAS DIFFERENT!

WE ARE WHITE CHRISTIANS!

WE HAVE 'EUROPEAN' NAMES!

IT WAS DIFFERENT!!

In fairness, being Irish is a nationality, not a belief system. Islam is a belief system, and people choose to identify with it.

They are different things.

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 10:06PM

stefanovich wrote: »

30 years ago perhaps I could have said the same about the Irish communities. We are dealing with reality now. I am saying that being a Muslim should be a red flag in and of itself. You are higher risk due to the overrepresentation of terrorists in the Muslim community.

So do you think the solution to this problem is to very defiantly differentiate between Muslim/ terrorists and ordinary peaceful Muslims, and deal harshly with only the terrorists ? Or just treat all Muslims harshly and guilty until proven innocent ?

What happened when peaceful Irish people were / were not differentiated with Irish terrorists, and which method had the better outcome ? How did ordinary peaceful Irish people react when treated as guilty of being a terrorist supporter/sympathiser until proven innocent ?

Which method got more recruits for the IRA and kept the violence going ?
Sectarian style politics, or Good Friday style politics ?

Do you really need another 30 years of killing and murder to work it out ?

stefanovich · 12-06-2016 10:07PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

I'm not an Islam apologist.

I honestly hate Islam. I hate Christianity too but I digress. I think Islam is a religion that while purporting to be peaceful, is rooted in disgusting, evil cultural practices.
I'd wager that there are many, many more acts of terrorism carried out by Muslim people than by Christians, at least nowadays.

However, this is not representative of all Muslim people. I know plenty of kind, caring, loving Muslim people. They cover up their bodies, they pray a lot, they eat halal, they follow customs like Ramadan. And that's it. They don't condemn gay people, or women who wear short skirts. They live their life, we live ours.

I fully agree with tighter restrictions on immigrants and refugees, but someone suggested quarantine for all Muslim people. That's vile. should all Christians be locked up and watched 24/7 because their religious text recommends stoning gay men?

Hate ISIS. Hate extremists. Hate Islam. Don't hate normal, Joe Soap Muslims who live peaceful, quiet lives like you and I. They are not the problem. They're living lives similarly to good Christians or good atheists, just with different rituals.

Hate the religion all you like, but don't blame the innocents. Not all Muslims are bad people, just like not all Christians are bad people, despite what both of their religious texts say.

The Koran says that homosexuality is the worst sin and the punishment is execution. This guy just read the Koran and followed its teachings.

Harry Palmr · 12-06-2016 10:08PM

Sand wrote: »

In fairness, being Irish is a nationality, not a belief system.

Many a planning inquiry suggests otherwise

Superhorse · 12-06-2016 10:09PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Trump is a ****wit of the highest order who will milk this for all it's worth

He's a true American who hasn't fallen for the liberal leftie point of view. He's going to be president and it's a great thing for America.

12-06-2016 10:09PM

stefanovich wrote: »

The Koran says that homosexuality is the worst sin and the punishment is execution. This guy just read the Koran and followed its teachings.

... doesn't Catholicism say the exact same thing more or less?

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads

Leviticus 20:13 .. y'know.. the Bible.

12Phase · 12-06-2016 10:10PM

I seriously cannot believe Trump is playing politics with this immediately. Even Marine Le Pen had more tact than that after the Paris attacks.

To use Trump's favourite phase, I think it's him who's going to be a disaster for America. It's very easy to rant and rave from the sidelines. The grown ups have to deal with reality, the constitution, rule of law, due process, fairness, and aren't actually running a populist dictatorship.

Snake Plisken · 12-06-2016 10:10PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Wow! Great job refuting those Christian terrorism examples, you really showed me! Fact is, you know you can't argue with it so the above it all you can say.

I can't help but notice you never got back to me about your claims to wanting to see an Imam just once make a comment about cherishing and accepting gay people. You must have missed the post because I know you wouldn't willfully ignore it and pretend to have never seen it next time you want to make the same ignorant comment. Such a dishonest and scummy thing would definitely not be in your nature, so here you are again. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/imam-daayiee-abdullah-welcomes-gay-muslims-to-worship-marry/2013/04/17/3ebcab3a-a5db-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html

Show me the rest of the gay imams just because you came up with one isolated example! Show me a gay pride march in Muslim country? I'd say your itching to call me bigoted and racist aren't you lol

marklazarcovic · 12-06-2016 10:10PM

when they blow up a nuclear power plant or worse a nuclear bomb then everything changes,for everyone,until then they will keep doing what they are doing and people will still say the same things about them back and forth,but when that nuke goes off the world changes for everybody,it will be too late by then.

stefanovich · 12-06-2016 10:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... doesn't Catholicism say the exact same thing more or less?

Leviticus 20:13 .. y'know.. the Bible.

Yes but the Koran is the word of God. If you do not believe it word for word you are not Muslim.

Samaris · 12-06-2016 10:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... doesn't Catholicism say the exact same thing more or less?

Leviticus 20:13 .. y'know.. the Bible.

There seems to be really no point using logic when it comes to this sort of thing. I really wish there was.

Polo_Mint · 12-06-2016 10:11PM

stefanovich wrote: »

The Koran says that homosexuality is the worst sin and the punishment is execution. This guy just read the Koran and followed its teachings.

And the Bible says

Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."

Whats the difference?

Matt Markinson · 12-06-2016 10:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... doesn't Catholicism say the exact same thing more or less?

Leviticus 20:13 .. y'know.. the Bible.

Have you ever heard of the new testament, you know the whole point of Christianity, and the one that done away with stoning ?

But sure at least you found a way to use this killings to promote a false claim and hatred of Christians and Christianity.

Sand · 12-06-2016 10:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

... doesn't Catholicism say the exact same thing more or less?

Leviticus 20:13 .. y'know.. the Bible.

There's a lot more good Muslims than good Catholics I guess.

12-06-2016 10:12PM

stefanovich wrote: »

Yes but the Koran is the word of God. If you do not believe it word for word you are not Muslim.

... and the Bible is the word of God too.

And devout Catholics would say that if you don't believe it word for word, you are not a Catholic.

Harry Palmr · 12-06-2016 10:12PM

Superhorse wrote: »

He's a true American who hasn't fallen for the liberal leftie point of view. He's going to be president and it's a great thing for America.

You're going to be so disappointed I suspect.

It's striking how the Americans were quite smug about Islamist inspired terrorism thinking they were somehow safe due to the Patriot Act, the Homeland Dept and two oceans, but they've now discovered otherwise.

Samaris · 12-06-2016 10:12PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Show me the rest of the gay imams just because you came up with one isolated example! Show me a gay pride march in Muslim country? I'd say your itching to call me bigoted and racist aren't you lol

Turkey.

Next.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-06-2016 10:13PM

Superhorse wrote: »

He's a true American who hasn't fallen for the liberal leftie point of view. He's going to be president and it's a great thing for America.

No and definitely no.

end of the road · 12-06-2016 10:13PM

stefanovich wrote: »

Unfortunately I think there is no other option now but to restrict the rights of muslims in the US. No access to guns. All mosques should be under video and audio surveillance. Any contact with extremists equals mandatory imprisonment. These things do not happen without the support and silence of the community.

followed by a "final solution" no doubt. oh but wait, how are you going to tell who is muslim? start rounding up everyone with brown skin? well that won't tell you who is muslim.

stefanovich wrote: »

It's called quarantine.

right so. could we quarantine other extremists as well, like anti-muslim extremists?

rjpf1980 wrote: »

If radical Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Amish, Scientologists or whatever hold extremist views that advocate the overthrow of democratic society and the creation of a theocratic state they need to get out. They have lots of other countries to choose from.

yeah, including their own where the authorities can deal with them via the existing legal system.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's called discriminating against a massive the actions of a few. Aside from that being a ****ty thing to do, it's going to do nothing but increase terrorism, not reduce it.

unfortunately none of that matters to the extremist sectarian bigots (and the racists as well)

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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