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Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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  • #332
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    scream wrote: »
    A Muslim spokesperson in Ireland has requested that our media not use the word ''Islamic'' when reporting this crime. Disgraceful behaviour and I'm anticipating RTE somehow spinning this to make Muslims the victims of this horrendous slaughter.

    Who was it?


  • #333
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Negative_G wrote: »
    I'm shocked that the usual Islamic terrorism apologists aren't contributing heavily to this thread yet. Probably racking their brains figuring out where to point the figure that doesn't involve Islam.

    Those poor people.

    The perpetrators and their ilk are savages and deserve to be put down by any means possible.

    Their hearts must have sunk when the news broke the terrorist was an Islamist.


  • #334
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    As a Christian allow me to say, you haven't a ****ing clue what you're talking about, have any Imams ever made statements to cherish and accept homosexuals? Because the Pope bloody well has.

    I'll do you one better - feel free to close your eyes or just scroll down past this post not, but here is one that helps Muslims with gay marriages - https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/imam-daayiee-abdullah-welcomes-gay-muslims-to-worship-marry/2013/04/17/3ebcab3a-a5db-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html

    And so as not to link dump, here is a little snippet from the bottom of that article.
    Last year, a gay-friendly mosque opened in Paris – Europe’s first. Muhsin Hendricks, an openly gay imam in Capetown, South Africa, has for years been leading congregants and preaching that homosexuality and Islam are not incompatible. And in America, LGBT Muslims have some strong support. The only Muslims in the House of Representatives, Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., and Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., have both advocated for gay rights. The group Muslims for Progressive Values, which helped found the Light of Reform Mosque, also has strong presence in Philadelphia and Atlanta, and is growing.


  • #335
    Hooligan on Tour
    Site Banned Posts: 2 ✭Hooligan on Tour


    These events are regrettable.


  • #336
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    WoolyJumper wrote: »
    Who was it?

    Obama .


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  • #337
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,913 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    WoolyJumper wrote: »
    Who was it?

    My money is on the Clonskeah Mosque's main mouthpiece Ali Salim!


  • #338
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Any mealy mouthed utterances of qualified sympathy from the leprechaun in the park?


  • #339
    Superhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 848 ✭✭✭Superhorse


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    My money is on the Clonskeah Mosque's main mouthpiece Ali Salim!

    Funded by our friends in Saudi.


  • #340
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Reports of a man driving to the Pride Parade in a car loaded with guns and explosive.

    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/742039141983092736


  • #341
    Dog Man Star
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 410 ✭✭Dog Man Star


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Has Barack called it for it what is yet or has he used the usual cowardly weasel words to describe the slaughter?

    The sooner he leaves that office the safer the world becomes

    Obama has been the most ineffectual, useless president. I cannot think of one solid change he has made, far too busy mixing with black celebrities to actually make any difference.

    He is the definition of racism. His entire term in office is to promote black people at the expense of the country. He is the reason Trump may become president.


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  • #342
    Michah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Michah


    scream wrote: »
    A Muslim spokesperson in Ireland has requested that our media not use the word ''Islamic'' when reporting this crime. Disgraceful behaviour and I'm anticipating RTE somehow spinning this to make Muslims the victims of this horrendous slaughter.

    It's been reported by Rep. Adam Schiff that the shooter had sworn allegiance to Islamic State and was under FBI investigation. And the spokesperson for Muslims in Ireland wants our media not to mention this?

    I hope they don't bend to his wishes!


  • #343
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    Obama has been the most ineffectual, useless president. I cannot think of one solid change he has made, far too busy mixing with black celebrities to actually make any difference.

    He is the definition of racism. His entire term in office is to promote black people at the expense of the country. He is the reason Trump may become president.

    Obamacare is probably the only thing he's managed to implement.


  • #344
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Sooner Trump gets in the better, those guys won't be let in.
    Omar Mateen was a US citizen, wouldn't have made a difference if Trump had banned the Albanian football team from friendlies.


  • #345
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Well if was a christian would they say he was a 'christian killer'?

    Not really, As they don't tend to shout Religious nonsense while killing people. And being Christian generally is not the motivation. But I think you know this. And there is no real Christian state like the old caliphate.


  • #346
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Billy86 wrote: »

    And so as not to link dump, here is a little snippet from the bottom of that article......


    Last year, a gay-friendly mosque opened in Paris – Europe’s first. Muhsin Hendricks, an openly gay imam in Capetown, South Africa, has for years been leading congregants and preaching that homosexuality and Islam are not incompatible. And in America, LGBT Muslims have some strong support. The only Muslims in the House of Representatives, Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., and Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., have both advocated for gay rights. The group Muslims for Progressive Values, which helped found the Light of Reform Mosque, also has strong presence in Philadelphia and Atlanta, and is growing.
    ...

    RE paris gay friendly mosque
    It's a room in a buddist prayer hall. They set it up because they felt uncomfortable praying at the grand mosque after a confrontation about wearing ear rings. No iman would pray for a dying transgender friend, so they had to do it themselves. He also wants to integrate the sexes praying together.

    some lad from london it does not constitute a mosque.

    The Paris Grand Mosque has issued an unequivocal statement. "The fact that he's opening a mosque or a prayer room is something that's outside the Islamic community. The Koran condemns homosexuality. It is banned," said a Grand Mosque spokesman.


    He is, however, concerned enough about the safety of his new congregation to be reticent about revealing exactly where it will be meeting.





    So while he might be trying to be inclusive it paints and picture of the wider community

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20547335


  • #347
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    Michah wrote: »
    It's been reported by Rep. Adam Schiff that the shooter had sworn allegiance to Islamic State and was under FBI investigation. And the spokesperson for Muslims in Ireland wants our media not to mention this?

    I hope they don't bend to his wishes!

    Anyone actually have a source for this? There is more than one spokesperson so I'd like to know who specifically it was.


  • #348
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    The stony silence from muslims when things like this happen, you could hear a pin drop. Where is the condemnation? Islam shouldn't be tolerated as long as mainstream Muslims tolerate extremism and consent to it with their silence. The lefty nutters are asking us to tolerate something that would turn around and chop their heads off given the first opportunity.


  • #349
    Severard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭Severard


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I'll do you one better - feel free to close your eyes or just scroll down past this post not, but here is one that helps Muslims with gay marriages - https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/imam-daayiee-abdullah-welcomes-gay-muslims-to-worship-marry/2013/04/17/3ebcab3a-a5db-11e2-b029-8fb7e977ef71_story.html

    And so as not to link dump, here is a little snippet from the bottom of that article.

    That is certainly encouraging news to see. The work done by this Imam & others like him, should be never be downplayed. What he is doing is very important, however there is no doubt whatsoever that he would be killed by Jihadists & shun by conservative Muslims.

    It's a small step but none the less an important one, in the right direction.


  • #350
    darkpagandeath
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    WoolyJumper wrote: »
    Anyone actually have a source for this? There is more than one spokesperson so I'd like to know who specifically it was.

    I think we can guess who....


  • #351
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,947 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    The stony silence from muslims when things like this happen, you could hear a pin drop. Where is the condemnation? Islam shouldn't be tolerated as long as mainstream Muslims tolerate extremism and consent to it with their silence. The lefty nutters are asking us to tolerate something that would turn around and chop their heads off given the first opportunity.

    Have you apologised for the trouble at the European Cup yet?


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  • #352
    Negative_G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭Negative_G


    Superhorse wrote: »
    Their hearts must have sunk when the news broke the terrorist was an Islamist.

    Deep down it will have been there first thoughts. No doubt about it.

    The facts are undeniable. This is why they're staying silent.

    The excuses will come thick and fast soon enough. As always.

    50 people killed. People out having a good time minding their own business. Horrendous.

    The religion of peace strikes again.


  • #353
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Dog Man Star wrote: »
    There is no part of Christianity that condones harming other people. Your comment is disgusting and should be retracted.

    Other than the Old Testament right?


  • #354
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Obama making a statement in ten

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wCQDVdPq3I



    Odds on him talking about Islam?


  • #355
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    The stony silence from muslims when things like this happen, you could hear a pin drop. Where is the condemnation? Islam shouldn't be tolerated as long as mainstream Muslims tolerate extremism and consent to it with their silence. The lefty nutters are asking us to tolerate something that would turn around and chop their heads off given the first opportunity.

    Really?
    "We condemn this monstrous attack and offer our heartfelt condolences to the families and loved ones of all those killed or injured," Rasha Munarak, the CAIR Florida Orlando regional coordinator. "The Muslim community joins our fellow Americans in repudiating anyone or any group that would claim to justify or excuse such an appalling act of violence."
    http://www.local10.com/news/muslim-community-condemns-orlando-attack-calls-for-blood-donations


  • #356
    Michah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Michah


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I'll do you one better - feel free to close your eyes or just scroll down past this post not, but here is one that helps Muslims with gay marriages

    And so as not to link dump, here is a little snippet from the bottom of that article.

    These are exceptions rather than the norms. The address of the Paris mosque has not been made public for fear of attacks. The one in Cape Town is attacked regularly.
    But the reality on the ground is very different. Gay, lesbian and transgender people face "corrective rape", discrimination and violence on a daily basis, say activists. "If they could, they would behead you. They just don't do it because they would go to jail," says Taj Hargey, a campaigner against Islamic intolerance who set up the Open Mosque which welcomes believers of all races, genders and sexualities in Cape Town last year.

    His mosque has been attacked several times. But just down the road is another place where Muslims shunned by their community can go to pray. Unlike Hargey's place of worship, The People's Mosque, run by Hendricks, explicitly describes itself as a gay place of worship, and has managed to stay out of the spotlight.


  • #357
    darkpagandeath
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Have you apologised for the trouble at the European Cup yet?

    Completely comparable.... Not. Football hooligans vs possible Religious hate crime.


  • #358
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    20Cent wrote: »
    Have you apologised for the trouble at the European Cup yet?

    Ah yes, some mild football hooliganism, pretty much the equivalent of Islamic terrorism, and of course all Europeans must apologise for it, for some reason.. bizarre post.


  • #359
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    20Cent wrote: »
    Have you apologised for the trouble at the European Cup yet?

    Was someone claiming to represent me over there murdering dozens of people? Don't think so pal. If there was I would condemn them.


  • #360
    Michah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Michah


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Omar Mateen was a US citizen, wouldn't have made a difference if Trump had banned the Albanian football team from friendlies.

    His parents wouldn't have gotten in under Trump's immigration laws!


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  • #361
    Billy86
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    Severard wrote: »
    This idea of terrorism not being a part of Islam & instead it being extremism has been touted about for quite a while now & yet it never holds water.

    For if it were true that religious extremism was the problem & not the religion itself, then how does one who holds this view explain extremism in Jainism? This is an ideology that preaches utter non violence, yet there are those in the religion itself that are seen as extremists. These extreme Jains will not hurt a fly, will watch where they are walking so as to not walk on an insect & will cover their mouths with a thin cloth when drinking water so as to not accidentally swallow a fly.
    So then wouldn't the same hold true for Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, etc (basically almost any decent sized religion)... all of which have violent extremists?


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