Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

my friend · 12-06-2016 05:45PM

RobertKK wrote: »

It normally wouldn't bother me, but I said she was probably asleep during the event, she confirmed it, that was all, I was happy that what I had posted was correct earlier and I hadn't being misinforming people.

It wouldn't be the first time Americans died as Hillary slept , she has form

Ulysses Gaze · 12-06-2016 05:46PM

rjpf1980 wrote: »

I am a secular atheist left liberal who supports women's rights, LGBT rights, the right to choose, freedom of speech, great economic equality and opportunity, the end to militarism and war and world hunger etc etc etc.
Tick the liberal box and I share your view.

We have to wake up and smell the coffee people.

Militant violent Islamic fundamentalism globally whether in organized political groups or movements or in the form of crazed lone shooters inspired by its barbarian ideology is at war with moderate Islam in the Middle East, at war with Hinduism, at war with Buddhism, at war with Christianity, at war with democracy and liberal secular values and any other ideology that it considers haram.

These savages are going to have to be wiped out.

You can blame Jimmy Carter for not being tough enough with the Ayatollahs or Reagan for arming the mujihaddin fighting the Soviets or Clinton for not killing Osama when he had the chance or Bush for overthrowing Saddam or Obama for cutting and running from Iraq or any other supposed "cause" of the violence and you would be dead wrong.

The root of this attack and all the others before it is militant Islamic extremism.

To defeat the enemy we must name it.

And stop buying oil from the country funding it.

Severard · 12-06-2016 05:46PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

Just an opinion on this. May be wrong. When we had weekly asymmetrical warfare in Northern Ireland during the ''Troubles'' one just never knew what was the next horror we would hear of on the morning news, plus we stopped driving ''up north'' out of fear of bombs. This guerrilla terrorism is not representative of Islam just as the terrorists in the North were not representative of their respective religions. These terrorists are militant extremists enthralled by regressive Wahhabism and hatred.

This idea of terrorism not being a part of Islam & instead it being extremism has been touted about for quite a while now & yet it never holds water.

For if it were true that religious extremism was the problem & not the religion itself, then how does one who holds this view explain extremism in Jainism? This is an ideology that preaches utter non violence, yet there are those in the religion itself that are seen as extremists. These extreme Jains will not hurt a fly, will watch where they are walking so as to not walk on an insect & will cover their mouths with a thin cloth when drinking water so as to not accidentally swallow a fly.

rjpf1980 · 12-06-2016 05:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Whatever this crazys ideology was, well done to the NRA for making sure firearms continue to be easily available to the populace at large regardless of their grudges, mental state etc. Eternally faithful to the second amendment. Well done lads.

The NRA share the blame because firearms are available to individuals on FBI watch lists.

Omar Mateen would not have been able to amass an arsenal and perpetrate this massacre without America's insane gun laws.

BUT

Do NOT confuse the primary cause of this attack.

MILITANT VIOLENT ISLAMIC EXTREMISM.

my friend · 12-06-2016 05:48PM

rjpf1980 wrote: »

If Halawa was back in this country he would probably walk right into the George and blow himself up.

Meanwhile on the Radio 1 news at one today we had Charlie Flanagan and Richard Crowley outdoing each other with their virtue signalling concern for the welfare of Halawa the terrorist

RTE and our DoFA are chicken shïts

JPNelsforearm · 12-06-2016 05:49PM

http://i.imgur.com/3lgflBJ.jpg

Remember even when its a muslim, its probably a white christian, and if not, its because of Islamophobia that it happened...

"Peace love and tolerance are the answer"

I honestly think people are getting thicker. Their natural survival instincts and threat recognition have been dulled and sated by liberal democracy, so much so they think its eternal, default state humanity, that there are no barbarians at the gates, and there never were, Pax Americana will last forever.

drunkmonkey · 12-06-2016 05:50PM

Could also just be a simple hate crime if anyone listed to his dad, the Islam bandwagons seems to be screaming ahead though exactly as the authorities want it to. NRA and ISIS coudn't hope for a better outcome.

my friend · 12-06-2016 05:50PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And stop buying oil from the country funding it.

I'm all for fracking and Nuclear energy. We don't need their oil

ebbsy · 12-06-2016 05:51PM

Sooner Trump gets in the better, those guys won't be let in.

muddypaws · 12-06-2016 05:51PM

rjpf1980 wrote: »

This is obviously an Islamic terrorist attack.
It happened during Ramadan, it happened close to the 11th of the month (3/11 in Madrid, 7/11 in London and of course 9/11 in New York) the attacker was Omar Mateen, an Afghan-American national radicalized by Islamic extremism who was being watched for years by the FBI, who used an assault rifle...
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this was religiously motivated when the victims were LGBT in a gay nightclub in Florida, probably the most gay friendly state in the U.S. If any group of people would be a target for an Islamic extremist this would be it.

7/11 in London?

Autonomous Cowherd · 12-06-2016 05:51PM

Severard wrote: »

This idea of terrorism not being a part of Islam & instead it being extremism has been touted about for quite a while now & yet it never holds water.

For if it were true that religious extremism was the problem & not the religion itself, then how does one who holds this view explain extremism in Jainism? This is an ideology that preaches utter non violence, yet there are those in the religion itself that are seen as extremists. These extreme Jains will not hurt a fly, will watch where they are walking so as to not walk on an insect & will cover their mouths with a thin cloth when drinking water so as to not accidentally swallow a fly.

I do agree with you and others who are opposing my view to some extent. But one could also say that the hawks in the US empire who have championed the ''war on terror'' that has devastated entire countries, slaughtered millions and incubated extremists are also religiously driven in that Fundamentalist Christianity is big among these types. So one could also suggest that terrorism is part of a certain Christian ideology.

Little CuChulainn · 12-06-2016 05:52PM

Gatling wrote: »

This is trump the racist ,sexist, misogynist idiot who's been whipping up mass hysteria the last few months ,
This will be used mass effect on his campaign

Still a far cry from rubbing your hands with glee at the deaths of over 50 citizens.

Ulysses Gaze · 12-06-2016 05:53PM

my friend wrote: »

I'm all for fracking and Nuclear energy. We don't need their oil

Sooner we accept that we need to go Nuclear the better.

Unfortunately, 5 of the top 10 companies in the world in terms of revenue are Oil companies. They definitely do not want the world going nuclear.

RobertKK · 12-06-2016 05:53PM

Omar Mateen worked for a security company that provided security for US governmental buildings.
He was on a terrorist watchlist, so how could he be allowed to work for a security company.
Also why are people on terrorist watchlists not precluded from buying a firearm?
They really need to get their act together in the US.

ibarelycare · 12-06-2016 05:54PM

muddypaws wrote: »

7/11 in London?

London was 7/7.

muddypaws · 12-06-2016 05:55PM

ibarelycare wrote: »

London was 7/7.

I know, which is why I'm wondering what happened on 7/11 in London

WoolyJumper · 12-06-2016 05:55PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Well he was activley involved in rallies and on stage during Muslim Brotherhood rallies in Egypt, then played the innocent card.
The Halawas just spread hate, and it is no loss to this country if Egypt wants to keep one of the terrorist supporting family members in jail.

I'm not defending the Muslim brotherhood or the Halawas but MB were democratically elected in Egypt and then taken down by a military Coup who are now running the country and regularly imprisoning, torturing and killing civilian protesters . This is also what happened in Algeria in the 90s and they are still running the country. This situation only creates more support for MB and I almost understand why people would support them. For many the military are the terrorists. I can certainly understand why people would be protesting in Egypt. Again I'm not defending Ibraham. I don't know his intentions. Also I don't think this is the time or place or this argument. Just pointing out that the situation isn't a simple black and white one.

Severard · 12-06-2016 05:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Whatever this crazys ideology was, well done to the NRA for making sure firearms continue to be easily available to the populace at large regardless of their grudges, mental state etc. Eternally faithful to the second amendment. Well done lads.

Well restricting firearms didn't work out so well in Paris, Brussels & San Bernardino. These people are going to get their hands on weapons regardless.

Dog Man Star · 12-06-2016 05:56PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

So one could also suggest that terrorism is part of a certain Christian ideology.

There is no part of Christianity that condones harming other people. Your comment is disgusting and should be retracted.

scream · 12-06-2016 05:56PM

A Muslim spokesperson in Ireland has requested that our media not use the word ''Islamic'' when reporting this crime. Disgraceful behaviour and I'm anticipating RTE somehow spinning this to make Muslims the victims of this horrendous slaughter.

youtube! · 12-06-2016 05:57PM

What's really scary is that this guy is an american citizen, I hope Trump gets in but there is nothing he can do about this kind of homegrown threat. Basically we are ****ed .

murpho999 · 12-06-2016 05:58PM

scream wrote: »

A Muslim spokesperson in Ireland has requested that our media not use the word ''Islamic'' when reporting this crime. Disgraceful behaviour and I'm anticipating RTE somehow spinning this to make Muslims the victims of this horrendous slaughter.

Well if was a christian would they say he was a 'christian killer'?

stoplooklisten · 12-06-2016 05:58PM

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/3lgflBJ.jpg

Remember even when its a muslim, its probably a white christian, and if not, its because of Islamophobia that it happened...

"Peace love and tolerance are the answer"

I honestly think people are getting thicker. Their natural survival instincts and threat recognition have been dulled and sated by liberal democracy, so much so they think its eternal, default state humanity, that there are no barbarians at the gates, and there never were, Pax Americana will last forever.

Check yourself :rolleyes:

scream wrote: »

A Muslim spokesperson in Ireland has requested that our media not use the word ''Islamic'' when reporting this crime. Disgraceful behaviour and I'm anticipating RTE somehow spinning this to make Muslims the victims of this horrendous slaughter.

Can't wait for the RTE remake

Das Reich · 12-06-2016 05:59PM

Those liberals always supported the replacement of European millenarian culture and native population by a multicultural and multiethnic population. Rome did fall when the population of germanic barbarians (more prolific) started to migrated slowly and the Greek and Roman religion replaced by a religion from middle east originated in Persia. Obviously when the christians become the majority it started a persecution against the minority. It could also happen someday on western countries.

Negative_G · 12-06-2016 05:59PM

I'm shocked that the usual Islamic terrorism apologists aren't contributing heavily to this thread yet. Probably racking their brains figuring out where to point the figure that doesn't involve Islam.

Those poor people.

The perpetrators and their ilk are savages and deserve to be put down by any means possible.

drunkmonkey · 12-06-2016 06:00PM

muddypaws wrote: »

I know, which is why I'm wondering what happened on 7/11 in London

7/11 is a shop!!

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-06-2016 06:00PM

Has Barack called it for it what is yet or has he used the usual cowardly weasel words to describe the slaughter?

The sooner he leaves that office the safer the world becomes

JPNelsforearm · 12-06-2016 06:00PM

scream wrote: »

A Muslim spokesperson in Ireland has requested that our media not use the word ''Islamic'' when reporting this crime. Disgraceful behaviour and I'm anticipating RTE somehow spinning this to make Muslims the victims of this horrendous slaughter.

Because Islam is the Religion of Peace™ comrade, by its very nature no one can be a true muslim if they do anything that is bad PR, once they do, they are no longer to named muslims or their deeds done in the name of Islam.

That is how this work, all these Islamic terror attacks, explicitly declared, are actually not the continuation of a thousand plus years of war, violence and conquest against the West, its just random attacks that happened for no reason or because the attacker had experienced Islamophobia.

RobertKK · 12-06-2016 06:00PM

WoolyJumper wrote: »

I'm not defending the Muslim brotherhood or the Halawas but MB were democratically elected in Egypt and then taken down by a military Coup who are now running the country and regularly imprisoning, torturing and killing civilian protesters . This is also what happened in Algeria in the 90s and they are still running the country. This situation only creates more support for MB and I almost understand why people would support them. For many the military are the terrorists. I can certainly understand why people would be protesting in Egypt. Again I'm not defending Ibraham. I don't know his intentions. Also I don't think this is the time or place or this argument. Just pointing out that the situation isn't a simple black and white one.

The army had a coup as the Muslim Brotherhood were encouraging attacks on Egyptian Christians, churches were being burned down, an estimated 800 Christians killed.
Egyptians and the world can be thankful they had a strong army to stop the route the country was going down under the Muslim Brotherhood. It was an absolute disaster and is it any wonder the army declared the democratically elected government as being terrorists?

my friend · 12-06-2016 06:01PM

youtube! wrote: »

What's really scary is that this guy is an american citizen, I hope Trump gets in but there is nothing he can do about this kind of homegrown threat. Basically we are ****ed .

He may have had the paperwork but he clearly failed to integrate, the same problem is in its infancy here, we are guaranteed future similar problems

Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

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