Treat 'em Mean & Keep 'em Keen!

Zascar

OK, why is this so true when it comes to women? The one thing that I am constantly told when I talking to female friends about my approach to women is that I am "Too Nice"! WHAT! All women talk about is how they "want to meet a nice guy..." I'm the nicest guy your gonna meet, and believe me its not true...

A lot of guys I know treat women like shiit and have little or no respect form them, and they get loads of women. I think the majority of women are Stupid! They go for exactly what they know they should not have. Ask 100 women to tell you about what they look for in a man, and then look at their past boyfriends, and I'm sure the results will be very different.

If I like a woman I can only be a gentleman and treat her with the utmost respect. I simply can't treat a woman 'badly' - apart from friendly slagging etc - but i'm fighting a loosing battle. Apparantly I cross the 'friendship line' far too quickly, and I have gained a lot of great female friends this way. Now I have enough friends - I want a girlfriend!

I would like to know what you guys (and girls) think about this... Why are (most) women like this, and how can I get around it?

Kai

Its a sad fact that nice guys/gals finish last. The more i think about it i quite enjoy being a bástard, not nessesarily to women but if i thought it would help i would, but in general its better to watch out for yourself first. make yourself happy and never mind all the PC stuff about being a nice guy.

Then again what do i know........................as much as everyone else

Seraphina

tbh, you're chasing the wrong, stupid kind of women. like in the other thread, guys bitching about women being snobs and only being after money.
ffs you'd think they'd be able to spot it a mile off at this stage.:rolleyes:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

no one wants a nice guy as a boyfriend, you'll just end up losing him

another fine example of female logic at work...

you're chasing the wrong, stupid kind of women.

well you just said yourself that no one wants a nice guy as a boyfriend, so what does it matter *who* they chase, if the end result will be the same?

Seraphina

i edited it, it made no sense! i dont know what it is, could be something to do with wanting you to be agressive and dominant and testosteroney and stuff.

dont listen to me, what do i know

/me wanders off

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

women rarely do, but at least all the gents out there can see the final and beautiful truth captured for eternity in my post

Seraphina

you mean my stupidity?
hehe
male and female pysche's work in different ways
there's just more bitching and moaning about women coz there are so many more men on boards.
you'd hear all about how men are so contrary too if there were more women...

Havelock

I know, the fact is I have discovered it is not the bastard that they seek, its the aggression (its what women subconsiously think as of masculine). It also transends the sexual boundry, in socity today, women want it, all of it, now! They think that well mannered men will be to shy or not sexually forward enought, while the loud boastful bastard, while what hes says may not be true, he will generally try to prove he can do what he says.

Unfortuantly for women, what most don't realise, its a lot like the quiet woman "type", (they are the most sexually aggressive of women and adventerous) the same is to be said of the gentleman. I use manners and kindness to show that sexual gratification is not all I seek, but the message is to subtle foe some women, or they are not in on the secret.

DrummerBoy

Originally posted by Havelock
I use manners and kindness to show that sexual gratification is not all I seek, but the message is to subtle foe some women, or they are not in on the secret.

Personally I think that that is the statement of the year. I'd be telling a lie if I were to say that those very words will not be appearing on the tip of my tongue in the very near future!

Mac daddy

Nice guys finish last, your better of being a prik instead of a pussy who opens up doors for them buying them drinks, and still not getting a ride out of them, threat them mean keep them mean!!!!!!hahahahhhahahhahahhahhaha:ninja:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

em yes, great advice. unfortunately it doesn't hold true when "getting pussy" isn't at the forefront of your goals..


oh, and I think you got the quote just a lil bit wrong there..
or else you were trying to be funny, and failed miserably

Evil Phil

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml

hehe

Doodee

I think it’s the biggest load of cack!

Why treat women/men unfairly, If your keen for a guy, and the guys keen for you, there’s no point in messing with them, fact is that I'd never want someone who would go messing with me deliberately, and if I found out I'd sure as hell kick them to the curb, there’s nothing worse that having to keep thinking about someone and the way they are treating you. Maybe other guys like it, I’m not sure, but I know sure as hell that I don’t.

Nice guys finish last? My bollocks, as long as your genuine then I don’t think that people will take advantage of you, and if your stupid enough to not notice, then your just set to get hurt.

Also, just because men are mannerly and nice, doesn’t mean that they aren’t testy, allot of guys I know are unbelievably nice when it comes to women, but if someone challenges them, they are a complete different shade of red.

Treat em mean to keep em keen? You’ve been watching too much Sex in the city!

ferdi

you always see hot girls with these stupid knacker oafs, girls dig the bad boy image and i do think that nice guys finish last, i agree with Doodee, it is total bollix, people just p!ss eachother about all the time but this is "romance" without it it wud be too easy. its very upsetting,

i need to learn how to treat women like sh!t, any tips?

thedrowner

definately true for me anyway

i guess i like to feel in control, if anything goes wrong in the relaitonship, i don't want to be the one to suffer from it...i'd prefer to be the one doing the dumping or the giving out....being on the receiving end means a lot more hurt...so if i suspect that the boat is being rocked i'm likely to try and get the relationship back to normal, so i can try and get 'the power' back. that seems to hold true for me in relationships that aren't really serious though.

that sounds really scary reading back over it

ah well, im being honest

also there's the whole confidence thing, it hasn't happenned to me, but i've seen a few relationships of my friends, usually their first serious ones, which started off great then when they went through rocky patches, the guys thought they could get away with anything, and they could because at this stage, the girls were so in love with them that they wouldn't say...'hang on...you're out of order' they'd stop and think...'well....maybe he's in the right' even though it was obvious to outsiders what was going on.

and also, i don't see this is guys so much, but i know some girls who are just terrified of being alone, and will put up with ANYTHING, just to stay in a relationsip. sad.

CuLT

yeh, i disagree with this "nice guys finish last" policy. Unfortunately its the way of the world .

I reckon where as nice guys don't get the quantity, in the end we/they get the quality relationships .

Doodee

cult, u hit the nail on the head

Zascar

Yes I would agree, but the quantiry is sometimes not high enough. Does anyone here admit to being 'good' at being bastards, and want to give us nice guys any tips?

LegacyUser

I think alot of ye are missing the balls of the situation...

It isn't that women want a man to treat them badly, or that they fall for the wrong kind of fella, they just want a bit of excitement.

They don't want to get stuck with some lad who possesses all the charms and nicities in the world but is completely lacking in any, what they view as, desireable qualities.

Like humour, impulsiveness, or even mild aggression.


Noone wants to get stuck with a priest, tea merchant or box salesman... unless they're going thru a midlife crisis or are themselves attending a nunnery.

Someone who's lively, funny and takes a few risks is by far the more likely choice.


They want fun, not drippy boring lads.


But ideally they want someone who is sound, decent, even nice, along with all these other things...

Sangre

Originally posted by chewwwwwwy


Like humour, impulsiveness, or even mild aggression.

I would have never thought of humour as a qaulities of the bástards..

Doodee

neither would i sangre.

yea, i fully understand about women wanting some1 who isnt boring, but all im saying is this stupid idea of treating them mean to keep em keen.

theres some rules that were explained in another thread, like not txting them for a while, or taking alot of time to txt them, and other stuff like canceling on them last minute.

I wouldnt agree to that, cause u'll only hurt the person and make them unwanted. I'd never cancel on some1 i made plans with unless i had something that was really really important, such as exams or bad news (like a friend going to hospital or needing advice or whatnot)

If you ask me, the whole KEMTKEK is considerably immature. It all stems down to what you want from the relationship, a long serious thing, or a couple o month long fling, in which case you should always let the person know, not string them along.

ferdi

lets hope your right there cult.

on the otherhand, sometimes we all like quantity and to hell with the quality, therefore zascar's question still stands - "Does anyone here admit to being 'good' at being bastards, and want to give us nice guys any tips?"

sisob

I haven't read most of this thread but i will say this:

Nice guys will end up with a nice wife and kids and a fulfilling
relationship.

"Mean" guys end up having loads of short lived sexual relationships.

Personally I'm the former and happy to stick to it..

Gordon

Yea, it seems that the older women get - the more they prefer these "nice guys". As their clocks tick on they want someone to help wind up their clocks as opposed to having people change the time on their clocks willy nilly (pun intended).

I was eyed by a friend of a friend because she saw me as a nice guy, she wanted to go out with me but I really didn't fancy anything with her because she wanted a "nice guy" (well that wasn't the only reason). Women that want nice guys end up wanting to settle down and have children I find, not that that's a bad thing of course.

In the end, if you are worried about women not going for you - your special somebody will go for you. It's all a matter of time.

Gavin

There's a difference between being a nice guy and being a schmuck. Nice guys that aren't as thick as pigshit in a bottle wil do better, obviously enough, than guys that are nice but boring. As aul chewwwy says above.

Don't talk to the bird about how you managed to raise your clock multiplier to 10. Save that gem for a while.

Gav

Mind you, I haven't picked up a bird in years.

FreaK_BrutheR

I'm mostly a bastard.... oh the stories i could tell but hey **** all y'all i ain't giving no tips to you bunch of pansy ass plink plonks.

The Corinthian

Don’t confuse confidence with arrogance. The former is an admirable trait in either a man or woman, the latter is just asking for trouble. The illusion that nice guys don’t like get the girl, is more often due to people confusing confidant guys and bastards - most notably women (more correctly girls) doing so, themselves.

The same goes for the confusion between nice and shy guys. Some of these guys aren’t nice - they’re just creepy - they’re not out womanising on the weekend because they’re curb crawling or downloading child p0rn instead.

So, let’s just identify what the issues are, not romanticize our inadequacies. Perhaps that girl left you for that other guy because you were a boring, self-obsessed little smear of self-pity and he was fun and confident enough to consider her passions rather than his own. You’ve only yourself to blame, and frankly, natural selection.

I’m not saying that there’s no such thing as nice guys and bastards, just that the question is not as black and white as some of the self-professed nice guys would like to believe.

Beruthiel

Originally posted by Zascar

I think the majority of women are Stupid!

first you say this

If I like a woman I can only be a gentleman and treat her with the utmost respect

and then you say that -
bullsh*t! I don't believe you

I'm not sure you will ever find a girlfriend when you can say that you think most of us are stupid
most women are smart enough to see through your facade, pretending to be a gentleman is not the same as actually being one....

Doodee

Too true Corrie. treat your woman as a lady when in public, and she will be anything but a lady when she gets you alone.

You dont need to be a bastard unless its called for. and you dont have to show your masculinity unless it is questioned/threatened in some way.

Nice Guys.

It goes both ways though, if your lady treats u like an inferior all the time, then she isnt really worried to much about your feelings and visa versa.

Nature dictates over anyones personality when its called for, and yes, women do appreciate the who masculinity when you do show it, its simply that they look for healthy children, its seen in most species!


gah, im confusing myself now, Bloody Java!
err... **** it I'll quote Oscar Wilde

Treat every woman as if you loved them, and every man as if he bored you!

Puck

A lot of guys try to be nice but end up being creepy and smothering. The reason is because they try too hard. They spend an evening constantly smiling at the woman, asking her if she's ok , would she like another drink, pulling out chairs and opening doors for her. That's too much. It's hard for anyone to relax and enjoy themselves if the person they are with is constantly worrying and trying to impress them with how nice they are. It's not going to be an enjoyable evening for the woman if the only conversation is "thank you", "no thanks" and "I'm fine, thanks".

You're nice to your friends when you just hang out with them right? The difference with them though is that you relax and have fun. You're not always worrying about how they are and trying to make them feel more comfortable.

If you want to be a gentleman save the chair pulling and door opening for formal occasions if you want. If you do that on a night out in the pub you'd embarrass anyone. Just relax and try to enjoy yourself and you'll set a nice comfortable mood.

This post made a lot more sense in my head tbh.

Seraphina

no it makes perfect sense actually..

why can i never make sense like this?