Really lost in Comp Sys 3rd year...

Rozie

I honestly wish I hadn't picked the course. I find it impossible to get up for lectures, mainly because I can't bear to sit through more than 4 lectures in a day, sometimes only 3.

I'm really lost and I might have even missed a mid term or something. There's too much going on. I've no idea when the Computer Networks tutorials are on either, or how to do Paddy Healy's project. What's it about anyway?

I honeslty don't know what to do. I wish there was just an exam at the end and I could probably just go along to tutorials and then cram before it, but I've never been good at that.

I went to a Java lab and couldn't do it. I took home the answer sheet and promptly lost it.

I think I'm going to end up dropping out but my dad will kill me and he says I'll never find a job if I do. But it's really killing me. I came into the course being one of the smarter ones and now it's just getting further and further away from what I wanted to do.
I thought I'd do better this year after having to repeat exams and scraping throuh last year. But I've no idea where to start. If I could survive until next semester, there are some things that interest me. But then the notion of 4th year and FYP screws that over.

What should I do? If anyone could give any helpful info like what book I need for each module that would help lots.

cornbb

I had the same comp sys experience and I managed to graduate. You'll get through it if you're any way smart. 3rd year is tough, so is 4th year but if you pick an FYP topc that you genuinely find interesting then you'll fly though it.

keevita

u need a cuddle!! horrible feeling isnt it? go with your gut feeling, and good luck.

440Hz

Everyone has been there at some stage Rozie. I know it prob seems like there is no light at the end of the tunnel now but if you just keep holding on till after Christmas Im sure things will get better. if you are struggling noone expects you to do famously well, just do your best and try and keep your head above water. I know the projects you have at the mo are tough but ask people in your class for help, noone wants to see anyone drop out at this stage, dont waste 2 yrs of college now. Best of luck with it, Im sure in a few months things will settle down and you will wonder why you ever wanted to give up. I nearly gave up every wk doing Comp Sci in UCC, 2 degrees later I still wanna give up most days - this is perfectly normal.

rmacm

Right well for starters the Computer Networks tutorial is on Fridays at 11:00 in D1050. I don't blame you not being able to get up for lectures but it has to be done. As for the Java stuff there's plenty of good documentation online. As for Paddy's module you're not alone there's probably more people who haven't a clue how to do it. Read over his spec and take down the files he specifies. The spec covers what you have to do, from what I can tell it isn't too difficult its just a matter of sitting down and doing the poxy thing. As 440 says it'd be a waste to drop out now, just keep slugging away at it and you'll be ok. It's what I've been doing up till now.

Cheers
Rory

Rozie

I don't blame you not being able to get up for lectures but it has to be done.

Problem is, I could get up for them, but then I'd have a whole day of lectures ahead of me, and my attention span can't last that long. I was barely able to bear the 3 things I went to today.

Thanks for the help everyone!

rmacm

My attention span doesn't last particularly long either. Everybody on the course has a whole day of lectures ahead of them when they get up. I know some of it is as boring as Emmerdale Farm etc. but if you miss lectures you're going to fall behind. Tuesdays and Thursdays are the longest days we have and its hard to stay awake for all of it. The only advice I can give is to start going to lectures (try to get to most of them). Go to the tutorials aswell (I know some of them are crap but what can you do).

I don't mean to sound harsh but there's no point in complaining about your problem if you don't end up doing anything about it.

Cheers
Rory

chrislad

Rozie wrote:

I honestly wish I hadn't picked the course. I find it impossible to get up for lectures, mainly because I can't bear to sit through more than 4 lectures in a day, sometimes only 3.

I'm really lost and I might have even missed a mid term or something. There's too much going on. I've no idea when the Computer Networks tutorials are on either, or how to do Paddy Healy's project. What's it about anyway?

I honeslty don't know what to do. I wish there was just an exam at the end and I could probably just go along to tutorials and then cram before it, but I've never been good at that.

I went to a Java lab and couldn't do it. I took home the answer sheet and promptly lost it.

I think I'm going to end up dropping out but my dad will kill me and he says I'll never find a job if I do. But it's really killing me. I came into the course being one of the smarter ones and now it's just getting further and further away from what I wanted to do.
I thought I'd do better this year after having to repeat exams and scraping throuh last year. But I've no idea where to start. If I could survive until next semester, there are some things that interest me. But then the notion of 4th year and FYP screws that over.

What should I do? If anyone could give any helpful info like what book I need for each module that would help lots.

I know how you feel, mate. I missed a couple of lecs. I'm okay with Systems Analysis, and I should be okay with Networking as I had job experience with it. As for the rest, it's going to be tight.

I'm just looking at the java and going wha? I don't even know how to bloody compile the thing! I got me Deitel and Deitels book and I'm working on that now. I've printed off every note I could find, got a folder and I'm reading through them, taking in as much as I can.

I know Tuesdays and Thursdays suck, but you just have to grin and bear it really. If you want, look me up and perhaps we can work on stuff together if that helps? It's better than working alone.

Mr. CooL ICE

Rozie, this is going to sound odd, but give it a try if you really want. My advice is this: eat fruit. I felt the same as you before, but before i started working in the summer, i ate no fruit and was minutes away from getting scurvy, and like you, could pay attention to a single thing. After college, i made myself eat at least 2 pieces of fruit (usually apple and banana) and a glass of juice (pure orange - no mi wadi) every single lunchtime, and my fatigue has dropped significantly.

The difference between having a good fruit diet (which loads of student dont) and and not eating fruit is huge. If you already eat plenty of fruit, then dismiss this as being ramblings of a madman, but if you dont, give it a try and stop worrying.

Rozie

Okay, I'll try to eat some more fruit. My eating pattern is pretty crap. Some days I eat too much and others I don't eat enough. I need to loose weight but I'm not sure the way I am is very healthy.

Keep in mind I'm still dealing with some rather serious mental issues, and it's another month until I'm finally getting to see a proper psychiatrist, thanks to the terrible Irish medical system(I've been trying to get to one since after Christmas). But even if I dealth with that, I'm still not sure of how well I can do... but I need something to stop the constant swirliness in my head.

I really think it's ridiculous the way they've layed out the week, though. One day has 4 lectures in a row and only a small break until another one. They really should keep in mind that we're human, not machines, and can only do too much.

The CS4115 tutorials don't seem worth going to. I actually got CS4113 grinds from the guy who's doing them, and he's very good one on one, but I don't have a clue what's going on in tutorials ever. I actually learn a lot more in the lectures. I've gone to most of them. I learn nothing in the tutorials.

Systems Analysis or whatever it is seems pretty ridiculous. It's hit and miss whether it'll be a whole load of gibberish we covered in 1st and 2nd year, or stuff we really need to know.

Operating Systems... I've no idea. It could be easy, or it could be hard.

The Java stuff interests me quite a bit - it looks a lot more fun to program in than C and C++, but it's still a lot of stuff to get used to. I couldn't do the last lab but I'm sure it's something simple.

Computer Networks... I know some of it, but not all of it. I'm not sure. Another hit or miss one I think. Do we actually have labs in it or what? What do we do in it?

Things I'm glad not to have this year -

That... project... disaster... thing...
Maths(Well, sort of).

I wouldn't mind doing next semester. I'm pretty interested in DSP, and if that's too hard Cobol should be easy enough. Norah's module is probably pretty easy. I really want to do AI as well.

440Hz

chrislad wrote:

I'm just looking at the java and going wha? I don't even know how to bloody compile the thing! I got me Deitel and Deitels book and I'm working on that now. I've printed off every note I could find, got a folder and I'm reading through them, taking in as much as I can.

The java project you guys have is fairly challenging alright. If you get really stuck PM me. Good luck with it.

Rozie

The Java project might not be as hard as it seems. I just think it's mean that people who understand Sudoko will probably do better, esp. due to interest.

Basically, I think you just use a 2 Dimensional array, or a Vector, either or. When you have a number in one area, you run up one axis seeeing if you can find the current "Number" you're at, then up and down the other.

Though a way of dividing the array into squares would be handy...

Maybe it is pretty hard after all

chrislad

That's true. It's easier when you know the rules of the game inside out.

chrislad

Oh and Rozie, labs in Networks start tomorrow at 11am as far as I know. He said in Week 2 that they would. I haven't been since Week 3 as the man bores me to tears, but I'll be at labs tomorrow.

Mr E

Its a pity Paddy hasn't improved in the last 10 years (since I had him). He wasn't a great lecturer back then either (although he is a nice guy).

I found 3rd year tough too, but got through it. A support network of good friends who can help you out makes a huge difference....

Rozie

Paddy is a nice guy. I'm not so sure it's that he's not a great lecturer, just the stuff he lectures is pretty nasty.

Dermot Shinners-Kennedy was a great lecturer in 1st year though. I quite like the guy we have for Java this year.

BossArky

Rozie, I did Comp Sys, finished in 2002.... 3rd year is tough .... think its changed a bit now though. Try and make it to as many lecturers as possible from now on. Its only November... so what is that...week 8 or something? i.e. you've got half the semester left so with a bit of attention to the classes now you will be fine. Best thing to do if you really cannot get any motivation together is just make it to the tutorials... they usually should cover what you need to know.

That data structures stuff was a nightmare! I think our class were so pissed off after the exam that everyone emailed him complaining and rumour has it that he went a bit easier on us. Who knows if that is true or not, but the man himself.

You sound as if you are interested in getting through the course so I'm sure you will be fine.

BossArky

Rozie wrote:

Dermot Shinners-Kennedy was a great lecturer in 1st year though. I quite like the guy we have for Java this year.

Were you in first year comp sys starting Sept 03? I did the M.Sc Music Tech startng Sept 03, we were in with the first year comp sys class ... yeah DSK was a showman alright.

You must have been in the same class as me then? --> had some mobile phone C++ project to do.

chrislad

BossArky wrote:

Were you in first year comp sys starting Sept 03? I did the M.Sc Music Tech startng Sept 03, we were in with the first year comp sys class ... yeah DSK was a showman alright.

You must have been in the same class as me then? --> had some mobile phone C++ project to do.

That was the one. Piece of piss project. Pity the rest of them didn't follow suit

Rozie

When are the midterms...?

kaimera

Computer Networks midterm tomorrow [tuesday 7th] at the lecture time in D1050

chrislad

Should be fun. Cramming session tonight.

kaimera

'meh', I don't think Seamus will throw much

technical

stuff at us

tetsujin1979

I finished Comp Sys in 2001, and everyone agrees that 3rd year is the hardest overall, and the first semester in 3rd year is the hardest of all semsters, esp after co-op. The work might suck, but you get used to the money, and for me the order of 9-5 after the sheer chaos of a college timetable did seem to stabilise me a bit. I've spoken to a few Comp Sys grads who've felt the same way. The only real advice I can give you is to tough it out, 3 lectures in one day does suck, but it's 3 hours out of 16 that you'll be awake, try to fill the other few with something you like doing, I used to go swimming on my worst day of the week (think it was wednesday), so at the start I'd be thinking, ok just get through this and then I'll be in the pool. On the days I didn't make all the lectures, I didn't go for a swim, it made me want to attend them all the more the next week.
Hope this helps.

chrislad

kaimera wrote:

'meh', I don't think Seamus will throw much stuff at us

Hopefully it'll be a nice easy one. That said, it's only 10% so if you mess it up, it's not the end of it.

That said it would be nice if *certain lecturer* told us certain lectures would be cancelled via email or something. 3rd time this semester I've showed up to find them cancelled.

kaimera

chrislad wrote:

That said it would be nice if *certain lecturer* told us certain lectures would be cancelled via email or something. 3rd time this semester I've showed up to find them cancelled.

:v:

rmacm

The networking midterm shouldn't be too difficult. Last years midterm is doable enough. I don't really see the need to read 7 chapters of the book. Just skim through them thats all.

Cheers
Rory

Peteee

Aye, tis a tad annoying alright.

On the other hand we also dont have the tutorial. Talk about win - win!

kaimera

lads, back on topic.
We don't want it to seem like we're engaging in [strike]in_jokes[/strike]. :v:

chrislad

Well, they won't let us mention lecturer names, so I don't see how we're breaking rules. The thread is generally on topic (still about CompSys and how crappy it is )

Does the library have many of the Networking books? His notes are all over the place and not organised in any way (which is kinda ironic given the nature of Networking).

BossArky

A bit off topic but has anyone else realised what massive fingers the networks lec has? I remember during the tutorials he'd come over and point at something .... his fingers were like overboiled sausages!!

Back on topic... yes I think co-op usually puts people back on track a bit as you may have a slight insight into computers in a work environment.

chrislad

The only thing that keeps entering my mind is that he was a very Irish name with a very un-Irish accent. It amuses me and keeps me awake in his lectures, which are quite frankly nearly as boring as the CompOrg ones.

BossArky

There were two words that he used to always mispronounce ... cannot remember off the top of my head but they were classics.

chrislad

My God, this Java is seriously head wrecking. Observers and Observables? Head spinning.

Rozie

I know how you feel Chris. I wish he'd have told us what you actually use them for, that would have made it 100 times easier. He's a good lecturer though, and very good in labs.

Just as well I've been to a good few Computer Networks lectures, and the last tutorial, and have an idea of what's going on. I'll set aside an hour or two later of cramming and hopefully I'll do okay-ish.

chrislad

He's very good, and clear, but the material is so abstract at the moment, it's hard to grasp.

klong

kaimera wrote:

lads, back on topic.
We don't want it to seem like we're engaging in [strike]in_jokes[/strike]. :v:

That's right, ladies and gentlemen, kaimera, appearing every night this week!:D :rolleyes:

440Hz

BossArky wrote:

I did the M.Sc Music Tech startng Sept 03, we were in with the first year comp sys class ... yeah DSK was a showman alright.

Mus tech 03 - should i associate you with furry animals that live in fields then??

BossArky

Actually I started in Sept 02 and finished in Sept 03, mis-type there.

chrislad

I learned one thing from that test. I need to concentrate a bit more on networks. Answered only about 50% of it decently.

Peteee

Thought that test was pretty okay, and I think I done reasonable enough.

Of course, Kaimera got nothing right :v:

kaimera

fu Pete :v:

I got it all right > last night anyway.

and yes folks, I'm here all week.

440Hz

kaimera wrote:

and yes folks, I'm here all week.

I am missing something there? Go away for one week and come back totally lost... Actually I was always lost, but that's cos I'm a girl => *thick*:rolleyes:

kaimera

klong wrote:

kaimera wrote:

lads, back on topic.
We don't want it to seem like we're engaging in [strike]in_jokes[/strike].

That's right, ladies and gentlemen, kaimera, appearing every night this week!:D :rolleyes:

:v:

Peteee

klong wrote:

That's right, ladies and gentlemen, kaimera, appearing every night this week!:D :rolleyes:

440hz wrote:

I am missing something there? Go away for one week and come back totally lost... Actually I was always lost, but that's cos I'm a girl => *thick*

There there 440 *pats head*

In the words of Malibu Stacy "Dont ask me, I'm just a girl!" :v:

Rozie

You know, Pacman only has one eye on that side Technically, that's one of the Pong Players from the webcomic Multi Pong Reply.

And I did bad in the best

440Hz

Peteee wrote:

There there 440 *pats head*

In the words of Malibu Stacy "Dont ask me, I'm just a girl!" :v:

AHHHHHH thanks! sure you know im stupid! I always require direct instructions and translation... otherwise I just don't get it... it is a genetic disorder. Oops off topic... <slap>

kaimera

test you mean? :v:

Peteee

Rozie wrote:

You know, Pacman only has one eye on that side Technically, that's one of the Pong Players from the webcomic Multi Pong Reply.

I'll hear no more against the smiley. Best smiley ever :v: ***********

As for the test, I wouldnt worry bout it, It's 10% so it's not the end of the world

Otacon

Actually in the original, I thought Pac-man didn't have any eyes...

As for the test, as Rory put it, it was almost "civilised"

Rozie

Are there any good online resources to learn this networking stuff from?