Transport Package

strassenwolf · 01-11-2005 11:56AM

Okay, thanks. I've got it now.

MarkoP11 · 01-11-2005 12:17PM

Just for the record the RPA think Glasnevin Junction is here

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=dublin&ll=53.371296,-6.292806&spn=0.008672,0.022158&t=k&hl=en

Which is clearly so obviously wrong, you get the feeling they actively want to hide from the truth

D'Peoples Voice · 01-11-2005 02:27PM

BrianD wrote:

I think the Luas to Swords is a bad decision. Why isn't the "metro" simply extended to Swords and serving Ballymun and DCU at the same time. The green line could then be extended to go through Drumcondra, Whitehall and Santry. Usual bad planning from the powers that be.

bk wrote:

Zaph0d wrote:

The most expensive public transport elements in this plan are the interconnector and the metro. The metro has been promised before in the last FF manifesto. Neither project will have a contract signed before the next election. A new administration might throw it out or the economy may run out of steam by then. So what is the significance of this announcement, compared to previous promises and announcements?

Unlikely, the plan is a good one, it was developed by civil servants (the DTO) and not politicans and these sort of things normally transcend different governments.

So it is government bad planning or civil servants?

dowlingm · 01-11-2005 03:06PM

wouldn't there be a problem putting a station there with the curved track on the northernmost line? Fun police wouldn't like that.

murphaph · 01-11-2005 03:43PM

What's in the plan: Latest updates from Platform11' news page

Maskhadov · 01-11-2005 04:32PM

its pretty impressive so far.. though most of the stuff seems to be happening in the later half of the 10 year envelope. I thought there would only be 1 METRO line. 2 is excellent. So too is the interconnector.

dowlingm · 01-11-2005 04:59PM

DART to Navan is a big surprise too.

Bluetonic · 01-11-2005 05:00PM

Maskhadov wrote:

its pretty impressive so far.. though most of the stuff seems to be happening in the later half of the 10 year envelope. I thought there would only be 1 METRO line. 2 is excellent. So too is the interconnector.

Like all envelopes lately, I'd be surprised to see this one delivered on time.

weehamster · 01-11-2005 05:08PM

looks like the DART extensions to Drogheda and Kildare wont happen under this plan. It will only go as far as Balbriggan and Hazlehatch. Now that is penny pinching at its best. The electrication of the lines to Kildare, Maynooth and Drogheda was valued in 2004 by Irish Rail at €300m. :mad:

Genghis · 01-11-2005 05:22PM

Anyone got a better link than P11s for the plan (seems to be a bit of now-out-of-date guesswork!). No mention, for example of the Navan Dart and the other Metro line, nor of the shortcomings on the Dart "Kildare" line on the P11 news page.

dam099 · 01-11-2005 05:31PM

I see in the interconnector paragraph P11 quote it as being "by 2015", surely if as seems to be the case a lot of the DART extensions and other integration hinge on this, shouldn't it be one of the first things to be done?

Also reading the Irish rail integrated plan from which the DART and interconnector proposals seem to be inspired by they seemed to think they could do a lot of these things in a 4-5 year timescale.

strassenwolf · 01-11-2005 05:36PM

disappointed to see that there's no plan to extend the metro south of St. Stephen's Green - either towards Sandyford or Harold's Cross/Terenure.

Still not convinced by the orbital metro. I'd say more people would use Tallaght-Clondalkin-Heuston-interconnector, but that doesn't seem to be on. Though there'd be plenty of capacity for this after the Kildare Route project and interconnector.

Bluetonic · 01-11-2005 05:44PM

strassenwolf wrote:

disappointed to see that there's no plan to extend the metro south of St. Stephen's Green - either towards Sandyford or Harold's Cross/Terenure.

Doesn't the LUAS run from St Stephens Green to Sandyford?

murphaph · 01-11-2005 05:44PM

P11 News

dam099 · 01-11-2005 05:48PM

Why is the Orbital metro being phased from Tallaght towards Ballymun, I would have thought it might make more sense to phase it in the opposite direction.

strassenwolf · 01-11-2005 05:56PM

Bluetonic wrote:

Doesn't the LUAS run from St Stephens Green to Sandyford?

It does indeed. However, in the Platform for Change doc. it was to be upgraded to a metro. Personally, I thought that was a pretty wasteful idea, upgrading a perfectly good tram line to a metro when other areas of town (e.g. Harold's X/Terenure) hadn't even a tram line.

If you think of the line in from Maynooth. Some trains do continue out to Bray but quite a number don't. So for the last 3 stops (Connolly, Tara St and Pearse) people are only getting off the train, but nobody's getting on. A bit of a waste. I'd imagine the same thing happening on our new metro. Even if it was initially built as far as, say, Harold's Cross, it would be enough to ensure that people were getting on and off the metro trains in the city centre heading south, and it would all be a bit more efficient. More expensive, I grant you, but money well spent.

murphaph · 01-11-2005 05:57PM

I can't understand that either. It'll mean 2 feckin depots AGAIN from the RPA! More fcukin waste. If it was DART spec then I could understand it, so maybe good news in disguise.

dowlingm · 01-11-2005 06:02PM

damo99

if you start from Tallaght then you have no option to start service say from Ballymun to Clondalkin pending the rest of the construction unless you build two depots.

jank · 01-11-2005 06:04PM

Anybody after hearing of a "Atlantic roadway"

Looks like a road from Cork to Donegal linking up all the urban sectors.
Good idea imo especially the Cork to Sligo route. Would open up a lot of areas to investment.

Anybody have a map or something so that we can see whats up with all the luas/metro/dart in dublin.

Luas to Bray though seems a bit much. All well and good but would take about an hour and a half to get from town to st stephens green.

ishmael whale · 01-11-2005 06:10PM

http://www.fiannafail.ie/page.php4?topic=151&id=5081&nav=Latest%20News

Cullen’s speech is above.

The unneeded Western Rail Corridor being reopened as far as Claremorris, the less than necessary Metro line to the Airport and the Interconnector not due until 2015 it looks like the plan is a bit of a mess. A massive investment of resources, but hardly being used to best effect. Less money, more focussed on real needs, would achieve better results and leave money for other sectors, such as education, where similarly the East is developing a massive infrastructure deficit.

jank · 01-11-2005 06:21PM

ishmael whale wrote:

http://www.fiannafail.ie/page.php4?topic=151&id=5081&nav=Latest%20News

Cullen’s speech is above.

The unneeded Western Rail Corridor being reopened as far as Claremorris, the less than necessary Metro line to the Airport and the Interconnector not due until 2015 it looks like the plan is a bit of a mess. A massive investment of resources, but hardly being used to best effect. Less money, more focussed on real needs, would achieve better results and leave money for other sectors, such as education, where similarly the East is developing a massive infrastructure deficit.

You make it sound so...anti dublin.

dowlingm · 01-11-2005 06:31PM

Apparently the Tallaght-Ballymun metro is starting from Tallaght all right -
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10003788.shtml

weehamster · 01-11-2005 06:42PM

http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/7048-5.pdf

Sarsfield · 01-11-2005 06:51PM

DOT Press Release

The map as linked by dowlingm is vague about the locations of stops. Is this deliberate or is there a list? I need to know if there's going to be a station for Ballyfermot/Inchicore. Looks possible on the map (possibly the interchange with the Lucan Luas).

dowlingm · 01-11-2005 06:56PM

The non Pale bits

http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/7048-4.pdf

Maskhadov · 01-11-2005 07:22PM

I still have one question.

Will Irelands transport network be as good as anything else found in western europe in 2015 or will we still need another 10 year plan after that ?

strassenwolf · 01-11-2005 07:34PM

weehamster wrote:

http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/7048-5.pdf

Interesting link-up of the current LUAS lines shown in that map. There was a very brief mention on 5-7 Live that this was to be done via a short tunnel - maybe under Grafton Street? I don't know where the RTE people got that, as I can't see it in any of the speeches/press releases.

If that is College Green between St. Stephen's Green and O'Connell St., it looks like they're planning the Lucan LUAS along Dame Street. I hope our trams can make the climb at the Christchurch end!

RTE also mentioned that LUAS extension out to Bray - 28 stations between Bray and the Green! How long's that going to take? They estimate at 3 minutes between/including stops we'll be looking at about an hour and a half!

Victor · 01-11-2005 07:37PM

Fúck.

It looks like they've regressed from crayons to finger paint.

dowlingm · 01-11-2005 07:39PM

Strassenwolf - that's "An Lar" approach. If you're heading to the City Centre from Bray you're going to take DART - maybe even from Cherrywood. However, from Bray to Sandyford, for instance, you'll take LUAS.

Maskhadov · 01-11-2005 07:52PM

if i were in bray i would just take the dart. 27 stops on a luas would be a nightmare.

I thought all of the atlantic corridor would be dual carriageway. The 2+1 sounds a bit of a cheapo job.

I wonder what kind metro station we will get at St Stephens green. A proper job like in Paris/london or a cheap hacked down spanish version

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