Rappers are racist

DJDC

Hi guys, I am not trying to start a racist debate or trying to cause trouble. I myself am not racist, cannot see the point, as we are all equal. But:
Why is it, that in many rappers songs, i.e. Kanye West (I listened to recently) has constant attacks on 'white men'. Or all you hear is 'white girl'. I do not understand the point of why he (and other rappers) have put this in their song?
heres an example,in the games 300 bars song:
"take my advice,never wear air max to the gigs,unless u one of the bloods or the latin kings,cause if u left with the ayrans,ur ass will sting"
Because lets face it, as a white male, if I released a song tommorow, saying black man this & that, I would be the first one to be called racist and probably arrested!

Any other views on this?

Gandalf23

I dont think its meant to be taken as literally as you suggest.

AARRRGH

Yes, it does seem black people can be slightly racist and get away with it. Or at least, get away with it more than a white person would.

It's a funny world...

Dfitzer

I dont think a couple of lyrics can be considered racist when you consider what black people had to and have to go through.

dlofnep

Firstly not all emcees are black. Secondly not all of them rhyme about bitches & guns.. Your post is as ignorant as you perceive them.

AARRRGH

dlofnep wrote:

Firstly not all emcees are black. Secondly not all of them rhyme about bitches & guns.. Your post is as ignorant as you perceive them.

FFS he was making a generalisation. You know what he was trying to say.

I seriously doubt the OP was talking about every rapper in the entire world.

He is obviously talking about certain black rappers who say racist comments.

Dfitzer

dlofnep wrote:

Firstly not all emcees are black. Secondly not all of them rhyme about bitches & guns.. Your post is as ignorant as you perceive them.

You are ignorant you did not read his post properly he said "many rappers" not all rappers and his observation is true many rappers do have this content in their tunes.

AARRRGH

Dfitzer wrote:

I dont think a couple of lyrics can be considered racist when you consider what black people had to and have to go through.

Racism is racism no matter who does it.

Their lyrics don't offend me personally whatsoever, but it is still racism.

Yook

Dfitzer wrote:

I dont think a couple of lyrics can be considered racist when you consider what black people had to and have to go through.

Thats bull****! It's very racist, they know they full extent of racism, yet some artists still dish it out to white people in their lyrics. Sounds hipocritic to me!

Dave!

It's probably because of the whole slavery and oppression stuff... It's a cultural thing.

dlofnep

Firstly, usually if a black guy is venting through lyrics - He is typically expressing himself on how he's being oppressed. For example, a white cop arrests him for no reason and later on he rhymes about it and mentions that he's white - Is that racist? Not at all. I lived in Michigan, in the ghetto as it were - I know how it is and I'm not as ignorant as alot of you who think that the majority of rappers or emcee's are racist. If you wanted to be specific, you could of just said Kayne West - But you stated many rappers. It's just like me saying "many black men are thieves" or something along that lines. Your post generalizes on a group of individuals.. So you're just as bad.

Yook

dlofnep wrote:

Firstly, usually if a black guy is venting through lyrics - He is typically expressing himself on how he's being oppressed. For example, a white cop arrests him for no reason and later on he rhymes about it and mentions that he's white - Is that racist? Not at all. I lived in Michigan, in the ghetto as it were - I know how it is and I'm not as ignorant as alot of you who think that the majority of rappers or emcee's are racist. If you wanted to be specific, you could of just said Kayne West - But you stated many rappers. It's just like me saying "many black men are thieves" or something along that lines. Your post generalizes on a group of individuals.. So you're just as bad.

Oh please! It's not ignorance, it's fact!

So in the case where I was arrested for no reason by a black cop, it wouldn't be racist to flame and generalise about black people through song? Ok then. :rolleyes:

dlofnep

Yook wrote:

Oh please! It's not ignorance, it's fact!

So in the case where I was arrested for no reason by a black cop, it wouldn't be racist to flame and generalise about black people through song? Ok then. :rolleyes:

If white people were a minority and you were arrested for no other reason than being white then sure, I don't see any problems with expressing yourself in a track. You're an ignorant tool - I'll give you that. You have no idea whatsoever what they can go through. When I was in Michigan, me and my two friends were walking down the street - Cops stopped and only pulled the black guy over. It's really bad there. Go over and actually see how it works before you splutter out your stupid sh.it.

AARRRGH

Why are you getting angry? Can you not make your points without getting personal?

DJDC

look dlonep u are a twat. dont give us that "i lived in the ghetto" nonsense.u are just being a hypocrite.racism is racism.u cant give justifications like "a white cop arrests him for no reason" for racism.
also i should have said some not many rappers can be accused of racism.i never said all.many black rappers are/were strong campaigners for racial equality e.g 2pac.
the thing that amazes me is the fact that 75% of all rap sales in the US are to white people.surely some rap artists would at least keep their views to themselves rather than risk commercial embarrasment

Dfitzer

Hey take it easy dlofnep i dont agree with your statements but i dont call them ****

dlofnep

DJDC wrote:

look dlonep u are a twat. dont give us that "i lived in the ghetto" nonsense.u are just being a hypocrite.racism is racism.u cant give justifications like "a white cop arrests him for no reason" for racism.
also i should have said some not many rappers can be accused of racism.i never said all.many black rappers are/were strong campaigners for racial equality e.g 2pac.
the thing that amazes me is the fact that 75% of all rap sales in the US are to white people.surely some rap artists would at least keep their views to themselves rather than risk commercial embarrasment

I'm being a hypocrite because I lived in the ghetto's of Michigan? No, that makes me educated on the issue. As far as record sales goes, that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that there are more white people than black people there?

Speaking of hypocrites - Don't alot of Irish people sing songs of hate towards the British people?

dlofnep

Dfitzer wrote:

Hey take it easy dlofnep i dont agree with your statements but i dont call them ****

My apologies, I got caught up in the heat of the moment. however, my statements are based on what I've seen first hand. Point me out anything I've said that's incorrect and I'll be glad to debate with you.

dlofnep

dublindude wrote:

Why are you getting angry? Can you not make your points without getting personal?

Speaking of hypocrites. Shouldn't you be making a thread about being upset or angry about something?

AARRRGH

dlofnep wrote:

Don't alot of Irish people sing songs of hate towards the British people?

Indeed. Highly ignorant and moronic.

Smurfpiss

Yook wrote:

So in the case where I was arrested for no reason by a black cop, it wouldn't be racist to flame and generalise about black people through song? Ok then. :rolleyes:

Not quite. The black society in america are fairly suppresed by a white majority in the system, That combined with a cultured antagonism within their circles leads to tensions between the two races. White people being shook down by black cops just isn't a reality compared to the converse. The guys do have something to be pissed off about because they are targeted by the police force. Of course maybe thats beacuse they "roll with gangs" and "pop caps in peoples asses" and so that leads to that.
Thing is, they turn to crime more than the white society beacuse they're more likely to live in poverty (average black income is about 1/3 that of white).
and because they're more likely to be criminals they're targeted more by the police force. Just like Muslims are by those looking for terrorists. No sense searching a scotsmans kilt for a bomb, they fit the profile.
To be honest though it still doesn't mean they have the right to mouth off against whites, but they do have reason to. Anybody who runs in a gang and brags about it is an a*sehole in my opinion though...

dlofnep

Is there anyone here who is black that can give an assessment on how they are treated by white people in Ireland? I'd be interested to see how racism is here. From what I've seen, racial slurs are common anywhere I've been.

Yook

dlofnep wrote:

If white people were a minority and you were arrested for no other reason than being white then sure, I don't see any problems with expressing yourself in a track. You're an ignorant tool - I'll give you that. You have no idea whatsoever what they can go through. When I was in Michigan, me and my two friends were walking down the street - Cops stopped and only pulled the black guy over. It's really bad there. Go over and actually see how it works before you splutter out your stupid sh.it.

Hahahahahahahahaaha! My god, I lived in LA for 8 years, i went to public school, i have a lot of friends who are black (white people were a minority in my school, it mainly consisted of Mexicans, Armenians and African Americans). An ignorant tool, how little you know. :rolleyes:

I noticed the lyric included the word, "aryan". Now isn't that racist towards German people, i mean what did they ever do to the African Americans? And yes the word white includes not only American whites, but the rest of the white world. What did I ever do to the rapper writing that lyric? So if I get pulled over by a black cop tomorrow for no reason, (not that it would happen in Ireland) I can talk **** about the African world aswell as freely bashing all American blacks?

Or even, if I was pulled over in Africa (where I'd clearly be a minority), I would be able to flame the Africans and African Americans freely?

How can you not say thats racist?

dlofnep

Yook wrote:

Or even, if I was pulled over in Africa (where I'd clearly be a minority), I would be able to flame the Africans and African Americans freely?

If they were pulling you over because you were white, then I'd so no reason why you couldn't express yourself about it. If a black guy expresses distain towards a race, you'll notice it's actually cops that they blame - Not your average white guy.

They are not trying to be racist, they are just giving an accoutn of they way they have been treated. If it so happens that it's been all white folk, then that's our problem for treating them unfairly and not theirs.

Anyways, what do you expect out of this thread when it's titled "Rapper's are racist" and then go on to point out that's it's "black rappers" that are racist. Why not give a white person as an example? Eminem has been quoted saying racist slurs against black people. It was all over the source magazine. It's nothing to do with colour or what music people listen to. There are racists in all walks of life.

RuggieBear

Isn't there a rap forum?

And you all better edit out the personal abuse in your posts or you will all be banned.

AARRRGH

dlofnep wrote:

Is there anyone here who is black that can give an assessment on how they are treated by white people in Ireland? I'd be interested to see how racism is here. From what I've seen, racial slurs are common anywhere I've been.

My best friend is from Kenya. She has recently left Ireland but we used to spend a lot of time together. I can only think of one occassion where someone shouted "******" at her (from a car, how brave.)

If anything, she was treated EXTRA GOOD because she was black. For example, in her job she got away with murder. The white folk got away with nothing.

Whenever we went to a niteclub together, no matter what I was wearing (a tracksuit once while going to Lillies) the bouncers would not refuse us.

Her "being black" was hilarious (for us) because we could get away with all kinds of things one shouldn't get away with...

Ireland is a very very politically correct (OTT) country.

dlofnep

dublindude wrote:

My best friend is from Kenya. She has recently left Ireland but we used to spend a lot of time together. I can only think of one occassion where someone shouted "******" at her (from a car, how brave.)

If anything, she was treated EXTRA GOOD because she was black. For example, in her job she got away with murder. The white folk got away with nothing.

Whenever we went to a niteclub together, no matter what I was wearing (a tracksuit once while going to Lillies) the bouncers would not refuse us.

Her "being black" was hilarious (for us) because we could get away with all kinds of things one shouldn't get away with...

Ireland is a very very politically correct (OTT) country.

Well, that's a great story. I'm sure it doesn't reflect every black person in Ireland however, but glad to see she got on fine.

Yook

dlofnep wrote:

If they were pulling you over because you were white, then I'd so no reason why you couldn't express yourself about it. If a black guy expresses distain towards a race, you'll notice it's actually cops that they blame - Not your average white guy.

So aryan is another word for white cops? :rolleyes:

They are not trying to be racist, they are just giving an accoutn of they way they have been treated. If it so happens that it's been all white folk, then that's our problem for treating them unfairly and not theirs.

What the hell are you talking about? How have I treated black people unfairly? They're my friends!

Anyways, what do you expect out of this thread when it's titled "Rapper's are racist" and then go on to point out that's it's "black rappers" that are racist. Why not give a white person as an example? Eminem has been quoted saying racist slurs against black people. It was all over the source magazine. It's nothing to do with colour or what music people listen to. There are racists in all walks of life.

I'm not saying Eminem isn't racist, but he hasn't said anything to offend me. I've done nothing wrong, yet the OP's quote is pointing out all white people. I find that very offensive.

dlofnep

Yook wrote:

So aryan is another word for white cops? :rolleyes:

You're missing the point. The point is that there are racists from all walks of life. The generalize "rappers" as racist a bit silly and ignorant tbh.

Yook wrote:

What the hell are you talking about? How have I treated black people unfairly? They're my friends!

Never said they weren't your friends nor did I say you treated them unfairly.

I'm not saying Eminem isn't racist, but he hasn't said anything to offend me. I've done nothing wrong, yet the OP's quote is pointing out all white people. I find that very offensive.

Once again, the point isn't who's racist and who isn't. The point is that you shouldn't generalise rappers as racists. With this thread titled as "Rappers are racist", it clearly defines that. Sure a handful might be racist, sure a few nuns might be racist.. Sure Tinky Winky might be racist. That's not the point - The point is, a group of people shouldn't be stereotyped.. You can't go off and say Germans are nazis or Rappers are racist. A bit of common courtesy.

dlofnep

On that note, I'm off to bed. I'll leave you all to your little rant about black rappers. G'night.

Yook

that's our problem for treating them unfairly and not theirs.

Can you not see it, i clearly quoted it! When have I treated black people unfairly?

Giblet

dlofnep and DJDC banned for a week for abuse. Read the charter.

evad_lhorg

and WHAMMO!!!!! down goes the ban hammer

Karl Hungus

dlofnep wrote:

They are not trying to be racist, they are just giving an accoutn of they way they have been treated. If it so happens that it's been all white folk, then that's our problem for treating them unfairly and not theirs.

Hmm...

dlofnep wrote:

that's our problem for treating them unfairly

"Our" problem? :rolleyes:

Is anyone else here laughing at this absolutely ridiculous sheer hypocrisy coming from someone who is whinging about generalisation and stereotypes?

I don't know about anyone else here, but I've never met a rapper, at the most my experience of rap is getting stoned listening to the likes of Jurassic 5 before. Guess that gives them reason to be racist against me, right? What with it being "Our problem for treating them unfairly" and all, my actions in this matter are certainly inexcusable.

de5p0i1er

DJDC wrote:

Hi guys, I am not trying to start a racist debate or trying to cause trouble. I myself am not racist, cannot see the point, as we are all equal. But:
Why is it, that in many rappers songs, i.e. Kanye West (I listened to recently) has constant attacks on 'white men'. Or all you hear is 'white girl'. I do not understand the point of why he (and other rappers) have put this in their song?
heres an example,in the games 300 bars song:
"take my advice,never wear air max to the gigs,unless u one of the bloods or the latin kings,cause if u left with the ayrans,ur ass will sting"
Because lets face it, as a white male, if I released a song tommorow, saying black man this & that, I would be the first one to be called racist and probably arrested!

Any other views on this?

Gotta agree with you there, its a double standard the white man is the one been oppressed, we can't play a race card when were insulted

monkeyfudge

DJDC wrote:

"take my advice,never wear air max to the gigs,unless u one of the bloods or the latin kings,cause if u left with the ayrans,ur ass will sting"

I presume you mean Aryan.

I don't see how that could be taken up to be racist. The only way you could possibly be offended by that is if you considered yourself to be a aryan.

It's a stupid made up race used by many racist movements over the years. I think it's use in those lyrics is perfectly acceptable as someone who thinks they are an aryan certainly isn't going to be treating ethnic minorities very well.

Hub

dlofnep wrote:

If white people were a minority and you were arrested for no other reason than being white then sure, I don't see any problems with expressing yourself in a track. You're an ignorant tool - I'll give you that. You have no idea whatsoever what they can go through. When I was in Michigan, me and my two friends were walking down the street - Cops stopped and only pulled the black guy over. It's really bad there. Go over and actually see how it works before you splutter out your stupid sh.it.

In LA there is more ethnic people than caucasian

Plus your talking out of your arse

MorningStar

Now here is a view that some say is unPC but has points if followed.
Say if 90% of the crimes were commited by people from 4 different areas. Now if people knew you were from one of these areas would they not treat you differently? Are they right?
If you were from these areas would you not end up being a bit irriatated as it may still only be 10% of the population in your area. Maybe aggressive and deffensive towards people if you thought they were prejudging you.
Now as a cop say if there was an instant way of recognising the majority from these areas. You see somebody out of their area and in an area that seems out of place would you stop them and check them out?
If you were stopped because of this would you be angry would you respect the cops? Would you trust them?
As a cop if you were always mistrusted and treated aggresively by a type what way would you treat such people?

Now that is the situation in Dublin. A lot of the same social problems that exist in poor Amaerica are here. The difference is the skin colour has made the seperation easier to spot there, here it is general style. A lot of the real problems are to do with poverty, I am sure race is a part of it but most countries have a similar problem without race.

Gansta rappers are ultimately doing damage by making people think black americans are like this. They are also making people aspire to this negative goal.

The worst thing is stupid middle class Irish people emulating this style and way of talking. I liked Adam Ant but I never thought I was a dandy highwayman and acted like I would hold up a stage coach.

Pighead

The rap soundtrack is driven by two basic myths: the romance of the street and a weakness for cheap melodrama.
The rappers sell the myth of the permanent victim of society. Petty criminals think this way. The kids buy it, too, including millions of white suburban kids who have never lived in poverty. Like Jay-Z, of course, the successful rappers move to New Jersey. Or anywhere except the 'hood.

The instinct for melodrama is more dangerous. Most rappers sing about the same things: sex, jewelry, cars and mansions. Drugs are there, too, in subtler ways.Pigheads tired of seeing the same crap rehashed over and over again

But casual violence — of language and action — is all over the music. The so-called "urban poetry" in the lyrics is crude and brutally racist. I lost track after counting 150 uses of the N-word in Jay-Z's "In My Lifetime" and remembered men and women who were killed or beaten to remove that word from the American vocabulary. Better men and women than anyone in the rap world.

alienhead

racism is colour blind.

ferdi

lets face it, outside of the entertainment industry black people mostly exist as 2nd class citizens. who can blame black artists for 'venting' through the only forum/domain which is truly open to them?

AARRRGH

ferdi wrote:

lets face it, outside of the entertainment industry black people mostly exist as 2nd class citizens. who can blame black artists for 'venting' through the only forum/domain which is truly open to them?

Bull**** (no offence.)

The only thing keeping black people "down" (or anyone for that matter) is themselves. I genuinely believe everyone can become whatever they want - it's just a case of being mentally strong and working hard.

How annoying it must be if you're a normal black guy, trying to get an education/a good life etc., and you see the rapper guys talking all this ****. I know it would drive me nuts.

I don't feel any need to express bull**** about English people killing Irish people a hundred years ago. I want to move onwards and upwords.

There are no excuses today for racist lyrics/blaming everyone else for your problems.

chillywilly

DJDC wrote:

Hi guys, I am not trying to start a racist debate or trying to cause trouble. I myself am not racist, cannot see the point, as we are all equal. But:
Why is it, that in many rappers songs, i.e. Kanye West (I listened to recently) has constant attacks on 'white men'. Or all you hear is 'white girl'. I do not understand the point of why he (and other rappers) have put this in their song?
heres an example,in the games 300 bars song:
"take my advice,never wear air max to the gigs,unless u one of the bloods or the latin kings,cause if u left with the ayrans,ur ass will sting"
Because lets face it, as a white male, if I released a song tommorow, saying black man this & that, I would be the first one to be called racist and probably arrested!

Any other views on this?

i agree with you on some level. Example(excuse me if someone has already said this):

anyone else see kanye west on the johnathan ross show afew nights ago? I was a fan and i thought fair play when he made that remark about bush. But then i saw him on Ross's show and he was blatently abusing white people.

i havnt got persise quotes but his remarks were somethig like this:

"its like a white girl dancing......"

"ye its like a white man....."

"white people..."etc etc

now my point may not come across very well here but if anyone saw the show they would know what im talking about. Ive never seen anything like it and its the first time in my life i was absolutly furious with regards to race remarks.

can anyone back me up?

i still cant bellieve his attitude :mad:

CuLT

I think quite a lot of people would benefit from looking at this site:

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/

This site has been a real eye opener for some people as it highlights the subtle racism in modern society (through satire). I think people who use phrases like "we've treated black people badly" will realize just how racist saying something like that is.
I'd hope anyone who realizes that they're even a little bit like the people "acting" on this site would react with thoughtful reflection, rather than anger.

MorningStar

dublindude wrote:

Bull**** (no offence.)

The only thing keeping black people "down" (or anyone for that matter) is themselves. I genuinely believe everyone can become whatever they want - it's just a case of being mentally strong and working hard.


There are no excuses today for racist lyrics/blaming everyone else for your problems.

By saying no offense doesn't stop you being offensive.

Your view of working hard and you get through something just shows your ignorace on the problems with poverty. You didn't ever have to do it and don't know what it is like. Your view is a particular middle to upper class view "let them eat cake" is on your lips. If you are poor you don't get the same opportunities.

Did it every dawn on you that maybe other people should be helped out of poverty. I know you are no socialist anyway

I am not attacking you read my first post here any maybe you will see where I am coming from on the subject. You could have finished off the other thread but you obviously don't want to answer the questions put to you.

AARRRGH

MorningStar wrote:

Did it every dawn on you that maybe other people should be helped out of poverty. I know you are no socialist anyway

Didn't I see you making another anti-middle class post again today? Hmmm.

I only think people should stop making excuses for their actions (or more accurately, inactions.) You on the other hand seem to strongly dislike middle-class people/will do anything to defend "the poor man".

We are all responsible for what we do, not our skin colour/"class"!

nesf

Moved from AH.

Let's see what the rap forum people make of this...

MorningStar

dublindude wrote:

Didn't I see you making another anti-middle class post again today? Hmmm.

I only think people should stop making excuses for their actions (or more accurately, inactions.) You on the other hand seem to strongly dislike middle-class people/will do anything to defend "the poor man".

We are all responsible for what we do, not our skin colour/"class"!

Where did I do that? And I never did make an anti middle class statement at any point. I did say that is a typical middle class view which isn't an anti anything other than the view which is common to a group.

I am middle class. What I do dislike is people who have discriminatory views and use their ignorance as a sheild. Read some books on social studies. So you know for absolute certain this is the very view that made you get bullied in your job. You most likely deserved such treatment.

I haven't claimed people are not responsible for their actions. I am aware that my opportunities were better than others and how tough choices have to be made. Your moral high ground on how you would be better in such environments is great accept you ignore even the possibility that a moral compass maybe based on your upbringing. You wouldn't have the same view if you were rasied in a different environment as your environment dictates your core values not genetics.

AARRRGH

MorningStar wrote:

So you know for absolute certain this is the very view that made you get bullied in your job. You most likely deserved such treatment.

You are truely clueless, do you know that?

I have a feeling you mean well, but you have a very very bad way of expressing your views.

Maybe if you stopped being so personal and extreme with your views we might find some common ground to agree on?

And for your information, I have a very strong interest in social issues/helping people who are being **** on. I do NOT however blindly help people who are poor because they won't be anything about it.

Or are you just trying to play devils advocate? (wasting both our time)

Makaveli

Other than the ignorance displayed in the thread title, the relevance to Rap & Hip-Hop in this thread is almost non-existent.
Away to Humanities this one goes.

monkeyfudge

Makaveli wrote:

Other than the ignorance displayed in the thread title, the relevance to Rap & Hip-Hop in this thread is almost non-existent.
Away to Humanities this one goes.

haha... the only place left now is the Thunderdome....