JFK Assassination

DexyDrain

MonaPizza wrote: »

Oh boy, this is comical. You clearly haven't a clue about the most fundamental features of physics and applied mathematics. Inter-cert science would have taught you the basics of stable, unstable and neutral bodies at rest.

hang the body of a dead pig :pac:

The physics of the fatal head shot have been demonstrated several times, the bullet enters the head through a tiny hole, it doesn't transfer as much energy on impact as it does on exit. When the bullet passed through the skull it created enormous pressure which caused the skull to explode on top, the spray of blood and tissue leaving the exit wound makes a powerful jet of energy that pushes the head backward and to the left.

DexyDrain

DexyDrain wrote: »

The physics of the fatal head shot have been demonstrated several times, the bullet enters the head through a tiny hole, it doesn't transfer as much energy on impact as it does on exit. When the bullet passed through the skull it created enormous pressure which caused the skull to explode on top, the spray of blood and tissue leaving the exit wound makes a powerful jet of energy that pushes the head backward and to the left.

This is demonstrated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7TbB4uxJEk

weisses

DexyDrain wrote: »

The physics of the fatal head shot have been demonstrated several times, the bullet enters the head through a tiny hole, it doesn't transfer as much energy on impact as it does on exit. When the bullet passed through the skull it created enormous pressure which caused the skull to explode on top, the spray of blood and tissue leaving the exit wound makes a powerful jet of energy that pushes the head backward and to the left.

Then how do you explain this ?

Just as disturbing as the JFK assassination NSFW !!!

Head moving backward and not forward as in the Penn and Teller video

Found this more convincing then a Melon with some tape strapped around it

Deliberately did not added these link in tags

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gheBaQKE00k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtChit0W34

DexyDrain

weisses wrote: »

Then how do you explain this ?

Just as disturbing as the JFK assassination NSFW !!!

Head moving backward and not forward as in the Penn and Teller video

Found this more convincing then a Melon with some tape strapped around it

Deliberately did not added these link in tags

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gheBaQKE00k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtChit0W34

It depends on the rounds used, a lot of sniper rounds are designed not to exit the target as often as possible to reduce risk to bystanders etc. so these will not create the same 'jet' effect that the full-metal-jacket rounds used by Oswald will. These sniper bullets are designed to expend maximum energy on impact, Oswald's rounds are designed to pierce obstacles and continue on.

weisses

DexyDrain wrote: »

It depends on the rounds used, a lot of sniper rounds are designed not to exit the target as often as possible to reduce risk to bystanders etc. so these will not create the same 'jet' effect that the full-metal-jacket rounds used by Oswald will. These sniper bullets are designed to expend maximum energy on impact, Oswald's rounds are designed to pierce obstacles and continue on.

We also don't know what bullets where used in the 2 video's i posted

unless they release all the files this discussion will continue

1. The Conservation of Momentum tells us that the President was propelled back and to the left by a bullet striking him in the head fired from the right front.

2. The Warren Commission did not disclose that the fatal shot propelled President Kennedy backward to the left rear of the limousine. Instead, the Commission reported that when struck in the head, "The President fell to the left into Mrs. Kennedly's lap." (WR3)

3. The Warren Commission had a scientist Larry Sturdivan at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds shoot ten skulls with the Mannlicher-Carcano. All ten skulls moved away from the rifle and moved in the direction of the bullet. The results of this test were suppressed and were not revealed until fifteen years later during the HSCA investigation. (1HSCA404)

4. The Zapruder film was not shown on television until 12 years after the assassination.

5. The Warren Commission ignored at least seven witnesses who claimed they saw a puff of smoke on the grassy knoll during the assassination.


Dr. Luis Alvarez's Melon Experiment:

3cbulgr Jet Effect
Proponents of the lone assassin theory claim a jet effect, a forward jet stream of blood and brain matter, caused the President to be propelled backward. An experiment by Noble Prize winner Dr. Luis Alvarez shows that a melon shot by a high-velocity frangible bullet produces a retrorecoil that sends the melon flying back towards the shooter.
(See frames from the Alvarez experiment at http://jfklancer.com/galanor/jet_effect.html)

Three characteristics of a jet effect seen in Alvarez's experiment are:

1. Duration of a jet stream: In Dr. Alvarez's experiment the stream of melon matter is seen over six frames.

2. Dimensions of a jet stream: The stream can attain a height 6 times the diameter of the melon and a length 15 times the melon's diameter.

3. Direction of a jet stream: Stream moves predominantly in one direction. If the inner matter of the melon had moved in several directions, their forces would act to canceled each other out. If half of the stream had moved forward and half backward, for example, then the forces ofthe two streams would have cancelled each other out and the melon would not have moved. Now to the evidence.

3cbulgr Evidence
No jet stream is seen in the Zapruder film that even remotely resembles the stream in Alvarez's experiment.

1. Duration: No stream is seen to exist over five frames or even over two.

2. Dimensions: No jet stream is seen attaining anywhere near a height of 6 times the melon's diameter or a length of 15 times the melon's diameter.

3. Direction: Blood and brain matter went in all directions: left front over Mrs. Kennedy and the Connallyís; right rear over motorcycle officer James Chaney; left rear over Bobby Hargis and B. J. Martin. (Hargis was struck so hard that he said, "I thought at first I had been hit.")

4. Hargis and Martin: If we assume a jet stream of brain matter propelled the President to the left rear of the limousine, then that stream must have traveled to the right front of the limousine. (Newton's third law of motion) But Bobby Hargis and B. J. Martin, riding to the left rear, were splattered with blood and brain matter. (Hargis and Martin at the left rear, jet stream at the opposite side of the limousine moving to the right front.) The jet effect does not account for Hargis and Martin being splattered with blood and brain matter.

5. Other Experiments: In separate experiments performed by Dr. Doug DeSalles and physicist Art Snyder, the jet effect did not occur on melons shot with Mannlicher-Carcano bullets.

6. Firing Squad: People executed by a firing squad are placed between the firing squad and the grave, not beyond the grave.

What must have propelled the President backward was the force imparted by a high-velocity bullet shot from the right front.

DexyDrain

Firstly, objecting that the effects of unknown types of rounds do not match the effects of a known type of round is not a very illuminating argument. You have to compare like with like.

Secondly, the claims made in the piece you've quoted make a few very basic errors in their assumptions. Shooting a substitute skull, the melon, in a lab is not the same as shooting the real thing in real world conditions where the target is moving away and there is wind resistance dispersing the splatter and jet of blood. All the people mentioned and the body of JFK were either in motion themselves or hit by debris from an assassination target in motion.

You have to magnify the Zapruder film to observe the blast and this decreases the resolution of the film, nonetheless when the Discovery Channel documentary replicated the real world conditions as close as possible, the observable effects of a shot from the rear were very closely matched.

Conas

This day 50 years ago we lost one of America's, and the world's greatest leaders on that terrible day in Dallas. His memory, and legacy will live on forever. There are those like me who knew what he was trying to achieve. All I can say is, America should vote in Jesse Ventura in 2016, if we want to carry on JFK's great legacy, and achieve what he never had the chance to.

RIP President Kennedy.

yew_tree

Conas wrote: »

This day 50 years ago we lost one of America's, and the world's greatest leaders on that terrible day in Dallas. His memory, and legacy will live on forever. There are those like me who knew what he was trying to achieve. All I can say is, America should vote in Jesse Ventura in 2016, if we want to carry on JFK's great legacy, and achieve what he never had the chance to.

RIP President Kennedy.

Well said and Il second that. JFK did not turn into the puppet President they thought he would be. How different the world might be now if he had lived and even had Robert Kennedy become President. The best always die young or are stopped before they can change the world.

The great thing about President Kennedy is he also had many personal flaws, like us all, he was far from perfect but I believe he cared about the people of his own county and those suffering around the world.

dogmax

Rest in Peace Mr President.

I remember that day, below is a link to a RTE TV programme i was on 20 years ago call JFK Where were you, on it i'm talking about that day also after that is a song i wrote call The Day JFK Died.

If the Mods don't think it's in the right place then just delete it, Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0DzlExWHms

Balaclava1991

Three co-workers of Oswald were on the fifth floor directly beneath Oswald's sixth floor corner window and heard three shots and three spent hulls rattle on the floorboards over their heads.
A man named Howard Brennan saw a man matching Oswald taking aim and shooting the rifle from across the street and his description was the basis of the Dallas Police bulletin that led to his arrest.
Three spent hulls were found on the floor next to the sixth floor window next to boxes with Oswald's prints on them stacked around the window. The shells came from Oswald's rifle because they had the mark of the firing pin on the base of the bullets.
A paper bag very similar to the bag Oswald had brought his supposed "curtain rods" to work that morning was found next to the sniper nest. Oswald's prints were on the bag along with fibers from a blanket that had wrapped his rifle when it was stored in the garage of Ruth Paine's house where his wife and kids were living.
The Mannlicher-Carcano rifle (he had bought it by mail order filled out in his handwriting and using the name Alek Hidell, his habitual pseudonym that was also the name on the fake ID he was carrying when he was arrested) was found stuffed behind boxes on the 6th floor along with his work clipboard.
Ballistics show that President Kennedy was hit twice - in the back of the neck and the back of the head by shots fired from above and behind him as he rode along Elm Street past the front of the Book Depository.
The first bullet struck him in the back of the neck to the right of the spine and exited the base of his throat nicking the knot of his spine. The bullet had begun to tumble when it struck Governor Connally in the back at the rear of the right armpit and it exited through a fist size hole below the right nipple after smashing four inches of his fifth rib. The bullet smashed the radius bone of his right wrist and embedded itself base first in the flesh of his left thigh.
The relative positions of Kennedy and Connally demonstrate the trajectory of the shots were a straight line through both men.
The fatal shot that struck Kennedy entered the back of his head and exited the top front right creating a massive fatal wound.
An almost whole bullet was found on Connally's stretcher by a hospital orderly who passed it to a Secret Service agent at Parkland hospital who passed it to the FBI.
The grooves on bullet matched the lands on the rifling on the inside of the gun barrel of Oswald's rifle.
Two bullet fragments were recovered from the front seat of the limousine and were also matched to Oswald's rifle.
Both bullet fragments were probably responsible for the dent on the chrome frame of the windshield and the crack on the inside of the laminated glass.
James Tague who was cut on the cheek by a bullet fragment was probably struck by a piece of the first bullet fired or a fragment of the fatal head shot.
His position on Commerce Street and the location of mark on the kerb where a bullet or bullet fragment struck indicates a shot from the 6th floor of the Book Depository.
After the shooting Oswald left the building leaving behind his blue coat.
He boarded a bus after frantically banging on the door in the middle of traffic a few blocks from the Book Depository and soon left when the bus became stuck in traffic and boarded a taxi.
He never once mentioned the shooting of the President to the taxi driver when he asked what had happened downtown.
He told the driver to drop him off a few blocks from his rooming house before he doubled back, went inside ignoring his landlady who was hysterical after watching the news of the assassination of TV, went straight to his room and came out after changing his pants and was zipping up his jacket as he went straight out the door.
Numerous witnesses identified Oswald as the man who shot Officer J.D. Tippit who pulled over in his patrol car to talk with Oswald and then climbed out before he was gunned down at point blank range. Oswald emptied the cylinder of his revolver leaving behind shell cases that were later matched to his weapon.
Oswald had purchased the revolver from the same mail order magazine as his rifle again under the name Alek Hidell.
Both weapons had been mailed to a mail box booked under his own name.
Oswald left his jacket behind in a nearby car lot.
He was identified as the man who hid in the doorway of a shoeshop before the shoe salesman followed Oswald to the Texas Theatre.
Oswald entered the movie theatre without paying and he was arrested after he tried to draw and fire his revolver at arresting police officers.
In his pockets were the same type of .38 calibre ammunition he used to shoot Tippit.
At the police station he was identified by witnesses to the assassination of Kennedy and the murder of Tippit.
When the garage of Ruth Paine was searched the negatives of photographs showing Oswald posing with the rifle and revolver were discovered.
Oswald's background was thoroughly checked out - where he lived, who he worked with and who he knew before, during and after he went to the Soviet Union.
It was found that Oswald had attempted to assassinate right wing General Irwin Walker and the mangled remains of bullet found in the wall of Walker's study was likely to have been the same type of bullet that killed Kennedy.
Oswald admitted to his wife Marina that he had tried to kill Walker and Marina kept it quite to protect her husband and to protect herself from possible deportation to the Soviet Union.
Oswald was soon discovered to be a malcontent whose rambling writings showed he was an angry young man with delusions of grandeur who was a self-styled Marxist revolutionary who believed in attacking politicians who embodied capitalism.
He was also revealed to be troubled, unable to hold down a job for very long, prone to fighting with co-workers over his political beliefs, abused alcohol and regularly verbally and physically abused his estranged wife.
In New Orleans Oswald had deliberately provoked a row with Anti-Castro Cubans when he handed out leaflets with "Hands Off Cuba" and got himself interviews on local radio and television but failed to get a following for his unauthorized local chapter of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee. Oswald was never an official member of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee.
His behavior was that of a lonely man who was unable to form lasting relationships or make something of himself in the world.
Usually Oswald visited his wife on Friday evenings and stayed the weekends but the evening before the assassination he arrived on the Thursday right, the day before the assassination of the President.
His ride, who was also a coworker saw him place a paper bag he claimed contained curtain rods on the back seat of his car.
Oswald did not bring a lunch and he hurried ahead instead of walk with his coworker to the Book Depository.
While his work mates went downstairs to watch the motorcade Oswald had told them to send the elevator back up.
This was presumably to prevent the police from using it to allow him to use to stairs to escape.
Oswald's explanation that he was on the second floor and he bought a coke before going straight home is not the behavior one would expect if the President has been shot outside.

Oswald's chaotic life, his lack of friends and associations, his anger and violence, his Marine training, his hatred for the United States and the physical evidence and his behavior on the day of the assassination prove his guilt beyond all reasonable doubt and lead to the obvious conclusion that he acted alone.

For a conspiracy to work the Dallas PD, FBI, Secret Service, the U.S. military, the CIA, Defence, Justice, Treasury and White House and the media - thousands of people at every level of the government would have to have had intimate knowledge of the plot.

That is simply not possible in the real world.

david75

Ob the radio today, about the secret services rekkie to Ireland a month or so before JFK arrived. All rooftops were to be closed off and were covered by SS along his travel route whilst he was in view.

When did Dallas happen? Strange they didn't follow the same routine.

Steve F

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

Three co-workers of Oswald were on the fifth floor directly beneath Oswald's sixth floor corner window and heard three shots and three spent hulls rattle on the floorboards over their heads.
A man named Howard Brennan saw a man matching Oswald taking aim and shooting the rifle from across the street and his description was the basis of the Dallas Police bulletin that led to his arrest.
Three spent hulls were found on the floor next to the sixth floor window next to boxes with Oswald's prints on them stacked around the window. The shells came from Oswald's rifle because they had the mark of the firing pin on the base of the bullets.
A paper bag very similar to the bag Oswald had brought his supposed "curtain rods" to work that morning was found next to the sniper nest. Oswald's prints were on the bag along with fibers from a blanket that had wrapped his rifle when it was stored in the garage of Ruth Paine's house where his wife and kids were living.
The Mannlicher-Carcano rifle (he had bought it by mail order filled out in his handwriting and using the name Alek Hidell, his habitual pseudonym that was also the name on the fake ID he was carrying when he was arrested) was found stuffed behind boxes on the 6th floor along with his work clipboard.
Ballistics show that President Kennedy was hit twice - in the back of the neck and the back of the head by shots fired from above and behind him as he rode along Elm Street past the front of the Book Depository.
The first bullet struck him in the back of the neck to the right of the spine and exited the base of his throat nicking the knot of his spine. The bullet had begun to tumble when it struck Governor Connally in the back at the rear of the right armpit and it exited through a fist size hole below the right nipple after smashing four inches of his fifth rib. The bullet smashed the radius bone of his right wrist and embedded itself base first in the flesh of his left thigh.
The relative positions of Kennedy and Connally demonstrate the trajectory of the shots were a straight line through both men.
The fatal shot that struck Kennedy entered the back of his head and exited the top front right creating a massive fatal wound.
An almost whole bullet was found on Connally's stretcher by a hospital orderly who passed it to a Secret Service agent at Parkland hospital who passed it to the FBI.
The grooves on bullet matched the lands on the rifling on the inside of the gun barrel of Oswald's rifle.
Two bullet fragments were recovered from the front seat of the limousine and were also matched to Oswald's rifle.
Both bullet fragments were probably responsible for the dent on the chrome frame of the windshield and the crack on the inside of the laminated glass.
James Tague who was cut on the cheek by a bullet fragment was probably struck by a piece of the first bullet fired or a fragment of the fatal head shot.
His position on Commerce Street and the location of mark on the kerb where a bullet or bullet fragment struck indicates a shot from the 6th floor of the Book Depository.
After the shooting Oswald left the building leaving behind his blue coat.
He boarded a bus after frantically banging on the door in the middle of traffic a few blocks from the Book Depository and soon left when the bus became stuck in traffic and boarded a taxi.
He never once mentioned the shooting of the President to the taxi driver when he asked what had happened downtown.
He told the driver to drop him off a few blocks from his rooming house before he doubled back, went inside ignoring his landlady who was hysterical after watching the news of the assassination of TV, went straight to his room and came out after changing his pants and was zipping up his jacket as he went straight out the door.
Numerous witnesses identified Oswald as the man who shot Officer J.D. Tippit who pulled over in his patrol car to talk with Oswald and then climbed out before he was gunned down at point blank range. Oswald emptied the cylinder of his revolver leaving behind shell cases that were later matched to his weapon.
Oswald had purchased the revolver from the same mail order magazine as his rifle again under the name Alek Hidell.
Both weapons had been mailed to a mail box booked under his own name.
Oswald left his jacket behind in a nearby car lot.
He was identified as the man who hid in the doorway of a shoeshop before the shoe salesman followed Oswald to the Texas Theatre.
Oswald entered the movie theatre without paying and he was arrested after he tried to draw and fire his revolver at arresting police officers.
In his pockets were the same type of .38 calibre ammunition he used to shoot Tippit.
At the police station he was identified by witnesses to the assassination of Kennedy and the murder of Tippit.
When the garage of Ruth Paine was searched the negatives of photographs showing Oswald posing with the rifle and revolver were discovered.
Oswald's background was thoroughly checked out - where he lived, who he worked with and who he knew before, during and after he went to the Soviet Union.
It was found that Oswald had attempted to assassinate right wing General Irwin Walker and the mangled remains of bullet found in the wall of Walker's study was likely to have been the same type of bullet that killed Kennedy.
Oswald admitted to his wife Marina that he had tried to kill Walker and Marina kept it quite to protect her husband and to protect herself from possible deportation to the Soviet Union.
Oswald was soon discovered to be a malcontent whose rambling writings showed he was an angry young man with delusions of grandeur who was a self-styled Marxist revolutionary who believed in attacking politicians who embodied capitalism.
He was also revealed to be troubled, unable to hold down a job for very long, prone to fighting with co-workers over his political beliefs, abused alcohol and regularly verbally and physically abused his estranged wife.
In New Orleans Oswald had deliberately provoked a row with Anti-Castro Cubans when he handed out leaflets with "Hands Off Cuba" and got himself interviews on local radio and television but failed to get a following for his unauthorized local chapter of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee. Oswald was never an official member of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee.
His behavior was that of a lonely man who was unable to form lasting relationships or make something of himself in the world.
Usually Oswald visited his wife on Friday evenings and stayed the weekends but the evening before the assassination he arrived on the Thursday right, the day before the assassination of the President.
His ride, who was also a coworker saw him place a paper bag he claimed contained curtain rods on the back seat of his car.
Oswald did not bring a lunch and he hurried ahead instead of walk with his coworker to the Book Depository.
While his work mates went downstairs to watch the motorcade Oswald had told them to send the elevator back up.
This was presumably to prevent the police from using it to allow him to use to stairs to escape.
Oswald's explanation that he was on the second floor and he bought a coke before going straight home is not the behavior one would expect if the President has been shot outside.

Oswald's chaotic life, his lack of friends and associations, his anger and violence, his Marine training, his hatred for the United States and the physical evidence and his behavior on the day of the assassination prove his guilt beyond all reasonable doubt and lead to the obvious conclusion that he acted alone.

For a conspiracy to work the Dallas PD, FBI, Secret Service, the U.S. military, the CIA, Defence, Justice, Treasury and White House and the media - thousands of people at every level of the government would have to have had intimate knowledge of the plot.

That is simply not possible in the real world.

This ^^^^^

fryup

no conspiracy, no mystery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

patsman07

Interesting article written last week by Oliver Stone:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/11/20/oliver-stone-jfk-conspiracy-assassination-oswald-column/3657321/

DexyDrain

patsman07 wrote: »

Interesting article written last week by Oliver Stone:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/11/20/oliver-stone-jfk-conspiracy-assassination-oswald-column/3657321/

I see Oliver Stone has failed to look any deeper into these claims than he did in two decades ago in his fraudulent film.

Connally's wife says that not only was he still holding his hat after he was shot in the wrist, he was still holding it along the journey to the hospital while she comforted him.

The spray from the wound to the head went upwards and forwards, not out the back of his head, not only this but the right hemisphere of his brain was untouched and a bullet from the grassy knoll would have to have hit Jackie in the head as well. That leaves any shot coming from the front having to travel through the intact windscreen.

With Stone's combat experience you would think he would realise that a target moving across your field of view, as Kennedy would have been from the grassy knoll, is a much harder shot than Oswald had from the Book Depository window, not an easier one.

I wonder if Stone ever wonders at night why he had to use a smoke machine to simulate smoke at the fence after failing to find a rifle or other weapon that could produce such an effect for the film, in order to match the 'testimony' of witnesses who had often padded out their version of events years after the conspiracy industry offered them a place in history.

Above all, he surely must be aware that he is lying about the position of Kennedy and Connally in the car and hence the nonsense about a 'magic bullet' having to make acrobatic manoeuvres.

DublinWriter

fryup wrote: »

no conspiracy, no mystery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM

Dale Myers is undoubtedly a talented computer animator, but he is not a ballistics expert. His argument falls completely apart when you consider that..

a bullet does not travel in a straight line

A margin of error of a few millimetres can place the shot almost anywhere in the TSBD or the Daltex building as illustrated by the laser ballistics analysis done in the 90's.

porsche959

DexyDrain wrote: »

I see Oliver Stone has failed to look any deeper into these claims than he did in two decades ago in his fraudulent film.

Connally's wife says that not only was he still holding his hat after he was shot in the wrist, he was still holding it along the journey to the hospital while she comforted him.

The spray from the wound to the head went upwards and forwards, not out the back of his head, not only this but the right hemisphere of his brain was untouched and a bullet from the grassy knoll would have to have hit Jackie in the head as well. That leaves any shot coming from the front having to travel through the intact windscreen.

With Stone's combat experience you would think he would realise that a target moving across your field of view, as Kennedy would have been from the grassy knoll, is a much harder shot than Oswald had from the Book Depository window, not an easier one.

I wonder if Stone ever wonders at night why he had to use a smoke machine to simulate smoke at the fence after failing to find a rifle or other weapon that could produce such an effect for the film, in order to match the 'testimony' of witnesses who had often padded out their version of events years after the conspiracy industry offered them a place in history.

Above all, he surely must be aware that he is lying about the position of Kennedy and Connally in the car and hence the nonsense about a 'magic bullet' having to make acrobatic manoeuvres.

Indeed, the only thing I'd say in Stone's defence is that he described his movie as a "counter-myth". Well, a myth is still a myth!

Garrison's book, which the film draws on heavily, offers no such defense, but a work of history, or even honest research, it ain't.

darced

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Dave!

http://www.skeptic.com/downloads/JFK-Conspiracy-Theories-at-50.pdf

Noo

darced wrote: »

Just watched jfk the smoking gun,if you havent seen it yet its excellent,it deals with the book mortal error and the agent in the follow up car accidently firing the head shot.

The guy who proved the magic bullet theory correct is the man who came up with the scenario,it puts to bed for me anyway that the headshot simply could not come from the depository building.

I mentioned this earlier in the thread and didnt get much of a response, but its the most concrete evidence I have seen. Most stuff ive read/seen etc has left me not very convinced just always thinking that we'll never know. I fully believe this theory with the evidence it presents.

darced

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ellavin

The secret agent in the following car had a loaded gun.. lho from the building fired shot no1 which hit to road beside the travelling car were jfk was in.. in result sharapil struck jfk slightly he turned to mrs k and said I think I just got shot.. shot no 2 through neck and front passenger. .. jfk was badly injured hlbut with quick medical attention it might of being different. ..shot no 3 as the second shot happen ed the agent has lho in his sight and flips safety. . Now you can imagine the situation. . Focused on target he gets up to return fire as the following car excellerates the agents sent forward and the drigger is pulled.. now lho bullets was designed to travel threw not to explode on impact like the single bullet no3 shot which ended it...

DUBLINHITMAN

Have you guys watched this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCY2UYLHG8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Noo

ellavin wrote: »

The secret agent in the following car had a loaded gun.. lho from the building fired shot no1 which hit to road beside the travelling car were jfk was in.. in result sharapil struck jfk slightly he turned to mrs k and said I think I just got shot.. shot no 2 through neck and front passenger. .. jfk was badly injured hlbut with quick medical attention it might of being different. ..shot no 3 as the second shot happen ed the agent has lho in his sight and flips safety. . Now you can imagine the situation. . Focused on target he gets up to return fire as the following car excellerates the agents sent forward and the drigger is pulled.. now lho bullets was designed to travel threw not to explode on impact like the single bullet no3 shot which ended it...

Exactly, first two bullets came from the gun oswald had, third bullet which is designed to explode came from the type of gun the secret service agent had.

ellavin

Gotta hand it to them tho what a cover up!