Man running from police shot dead in London

wailers_irl

was the guy who was shot not an innocent brazilian student?????? Fancy that some one running to catch the underground, shot because he was abit darker skin than most British, doesnt say much about there intelligence.

Mercury_Tilt

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JackKelly

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There is no skill required in putting 7 bullets into a mans head, when there are about 4 of you on him (and taking into consideration the first shot more than likely killed him/stopped him moving)

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wtf? He WAS "an innocent brazilian student" and it was later found out that he was wrongly suspected of being a suicide bomber.

Since when are we guilty since proven innocent?

Mercury_Tilt

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JackKelly

of course he was innocent

Dinner

One thing about the 5-7 shots in the head thing, IIRC a witness said police had automatic pistols. Maybe he didnt know his semi auto's from his full autos but if it was a full auto (i.e.a machine handgun), the clip would have emptied within seconds without having to press the trigger 5 times. So, that could be a possible reason as to why so many bullets in one place.

But, I'm not too sure if the police use auto pistols or anything though.

gregos

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He was innocent, and he was Brazilian. Let's see now . . . I think that makes him an innocent Brazilian. I don't know if he was a student.

is_that_so

Arabel wrote:

One thing about the 5-7 shots in the head thing, IIRC a witness said police had automatic pistols. Maybe he didnt know his semi auto's from his full autos but if it was a full auto (i.e.a machine handgun), the clip would have emptied within seconds without having to press the trigger 5 times. So, that could be a possible reason as to why so many bullets in one place.

But, I'm not too sure if the police use auto pistols or anything though.

8 times according to Newsnight, story will be on later.

Gazza22

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I've modified the title to something as unbiased as possible.

Thanks Trojan

county

if he had not been stupid he would still be alive, i mean running from armed police in london after the wake of the bombings,the dogs on the street would have even stopped and raised there hands

Gazza22

county wrote:

if he had not been stupid he would still be alive, i mean running from armed police in london after the wake of the bombings,the dogs on the street would have even stopped and raised there hands

Oh your such an Assh0le seriously...the police were in plain clothes and they ran after him with arms. He was human, he panicked and hes stupid for that?

Narrow minded ****** *******, ** *** * ****

JackKelly

you know nothing about the circumstances. His or the police's. It could have been noisy. They may not have identified themselves. English wasn't his first language. Who knows.

As has been said numerous times; Police are known as men in uniform with guns holstered (if possesing guns at all), not several men running in plain clothes and shouting at you with guns at side.

county

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Oh your such an Assh0le seriously...the police were in plain clothes and they ran after him with arms. He was human, he panicked and hes stupid for that?

Narrow minded ****** *******, ** *** * ****

i am sorry if you dont agree with my opinion but to abuse me in such a way is not on :mad:

Gazza22

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i am sorry if you dont agree with my opinion but to abuse me in such a way is not on :mad:

No i'm mad, sorry, you just make that comment without a thought that a innocent mans life has been taken...your words are much to cool for my liking

The * were filled with nice comments about you, not abuse

JackKelly

lol. You narrow minded heavenly poetic sun god you

daveg

Personally I do not think it is beyond the bounds of reason that a foreign national (perhaps with little English), got scared and ran when a group of men in jeans and tee shirts, armed with guns, shouted at him to stop. Especially with everything that has gone on in London over the past few weeks. I agree with Mercury Tilt when he asked why the cops let him enter the underground or get a bus? Imo this was one major fúck up by the British police. And I don't think a public apology is enough. Heads should roll. To my mind the issue is not that the cops shot a suspect who ran when asked to stop., The issue is why did the Police let the situation get to where it got in the first place? They should have jumped him (jumped - not shot) way before he entered the underground.

He was an electrician btw.

Villain

The inquest heard yesterday that he was shot 8 times in total, 7 to the head and 1 to the shoulder!

WhiteWashMan

gazza22 wrote:

Oh your such an Assh0le seriously...the police were in plain clothes and they ran after him with arms. He was human, he panicked and hes stupid for that?

Narrow minded ****** *******, ** *** * ****

banned.

WhiteWashMan

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i dont disagree about letting a suspected terrorist onto a bus or into the tube, but im going to have to put my faith in those who are policing the situation.

if i start to second guess them, then i may as well just stay at home with the covers over my head for the rest of my days.

im going to have to assume that there are reasons why he was left to his own devices (no pun intended) however as soon as he entered a tube station, they decided to take action. i have no idea why that happened, but they made a call. rightly or wrongly.

me, im all about the inherint goodness in people, and i believe that they felt it was apporpriate, or the situation had gotten out of hand or taken a turn, and they decided to act. i dont kow. nor do you. nor does anyone here.

everything on this thread is conjecture with regards to reasons and rationals.

and while we can all debate the ethical and moral rights and wrongs of the policy, the seeming actions taken, and the over all outcome, the fact remains that i believe the police acted in the best interest of th public at large. and i think that is the most important thing.


although an interesting thing i learned on bbc 5 this morning on my way to work is that in isreal, about 40% of palestinian suicide bombers have AIDS.
with nothing to live for, there is always the chance of infecting someone with shrapnel. i find that kind of scarey.

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he was asked to get down on the ground out side the station he then ran jumped the barrior ran 3 flights of stairs and then got on to a train!!!

i'm sorry that it turned out that he wasnt carring a bomb like they thought but what if he was and the police said "hmmm wonder why someones that we think bombed the tube yesterday is wear such a big coat on such a hot day???" and more people died?

my guesses are that he was a decoy. to lead the police from the house they were watching

JackKelly

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my guesses are that he was a decoy. to lead the police from the house they were watching

you have got to be joking?

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The Muppet

Mercury Tilt wrote:

But based on the information they had... they should not have shot him. And that’s the flaw in all this. I am glad to see I was not the only one wondering with hindsight how you manage to let a possible bomber into the frigging tube in the first place.

He wasn't let in. MY understanding of the situation is that the Police attempted to confront him before he entered the tube station but he valted a rail and ran into the tube, up to that point I assume he was nothing more than a person who fitted the profile they were looking for. HIs actions after he was confronted were not that of ordinary Joe Public who would have stopped and answered whatever questions the Police were going to ask. The police understanably assumed he was a bomberand so took the only course of action open to them.


Whats the the difference between him being shot on the tube or out in the street? How would you suggest police deal with suspected suicide bombers?

PHB

I'm very very cold hearted when it comes to this.
If he had been a bomber, he might have killed say 10 innocent people if he got onto a tube and set off the explosion.
He was not, so one innocent person has been killed.
Even if they only 1/10 correct, they are saving innocent lives, full stop.
And its horrid, and terrible that it has come to this, but it has come to this, and we have to deal with it.

Mercury_Tilt

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PHB

Kill one suicide bomber and you kill one.
Find the head of the cell, you get to kill four.
Hence why you track people

Redleslie2

Even If the poor man had been a bomber the police were still unable to stop him getting on the train and as soon as he got through the doors he would probably have detonated his bomb and killed loads of people. The police screwed up royally, although I think we should wait for the inquiry to find out the facts.

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county

the police in surveillance were only tracking his movements thats why they had to call for back up,in my opinion they shot the wrong man,but running from armed police,would you do that????????

boroughmal

brilliant debate, thank god he wasnt a bomber and thank god that the police took the right action. if I was one of those people on the tube at the time I would condone his killing as neccessary. Fortunately I wasnt but the people I feel sorry for is the police that got it wrong. They are the ones who are doing the protection of all of us. It must have been in their minds at the time that there was a extremely good chance that he was a bomber, and acted accordingly.
The great thing is that we as a people can argue till the cows come home.
The man that died doesnt, The men that shot him have to live with the guilt, and now through the debate on whether it was right or wrong, and then take the consequences.
I am in the opinion that its them that we should thank for doing the thankless job of protecting us. Who else will?