US: The Monster

Kazaanova

Anyone have any ideas on the monster? It was what grabbed me the most and probably why I first started watching the show.

I used to think that it wasnt real because of all the similarities to the Lord of the Flies, and it only comes around when someones facing their fears, but the polar bears convinced me otherwise that it might just be real. With the polar bears it was like saying "There is something real out there!", if a polar bear is on the island, got knows what else is. Also Rosseau said "Lets hope its just a polar bear", and its hard to get a natural animal thats more dangerous than a polar bear. But I remember her saying something else along the lines of "No its not a monster", or something like that. Another thing that kind of says its not a real monster Locke, hes seen it. If it was a T-Rex(I'll admit thats unlikely) or something, Locke would be the type of guy to tell everyone to take precautions etc. So now thinking about it, 70% of me is against the theory that its an actual monster.

But if any show would convince us that the monster is just some fear induced hallucination, and then have a big 30ft mutant lizard come out of nowhere and kill a bunch of people, its Lost.

steveland?

I doubt it's gonna be like a dinosaur or a giant lizard or something...

Notice it hasn't shown up since Locke saw it...

Apparently Terry O'Quinn was told to react like it was the most beautiful thing he's ever seen...

Hopefully the season finale will clear some things up, but I don't want them to reveal everything (otherwise there'd be no point talking about it )

Basq

I somewhat forgot about the whole "Monster" side of 'Lost' until Shannon was killed by it.. presumably that was the "monster" in Boone's hallucination!

However.. this was just a hallucination which showed the monster as a dinosaur type creature which grabbed Shannon from above! Which is why i think the "monster" will be something that the writer's really need to think about before springing it on us!

I don't think they can take the whole ludicrious "it's all a hallucination" angle about the monster, but then again i'd prefer that to the "massive T-Rex type monster" angle!

Hmmm... the monster is certainly one part of the Island i'd like to see more answers but according to Damon Lindedof in 'Enterainment Weekly':

Entertainment Weekly wrote:

The season finale focuses on the opening of the hatch. You'll see at least 2 percent of the monster -- potentially 5 percent.

Kazaanova

basquille wrote:

I don't think they can take the whole ludicrious "it's all a hallucination" angle about the monster, but then again i'd prefer that to the "massive T-Rex type monster" angle!

I really get the feeling that Lost is the type of show to have a real monster. Yeah the monster has a lot to do with peoples fears, but wouldnt you be afraid if you were on an island with a monster?

What we think is the monsters doing probably isnt. Like the pilot, or the trees moving.

Also does anyone remember the stuff said about the monster in the pilot? I rememebr it was something like two extras talking saying "I've heard that noise before".

Locke

The monster is a giant sea creature /bird, I have found some pics that were leaked from the show and it looks great

Basq

Locke wrote:

The monster is a giant sea creature /bird, I have found some pics that were leaked from the show and it looks great

... seriously?!

Post them up here!

Locke

Look at the promo for next wednesdays episode, you have to be quick but when the voice over says "next wednesday", just then the lost logo appears, if you slow it down you see a set of wings..I m being serious. here is a screenshot of it, but if you can download the promo it's better

http://www.forgewebdev.com/ep23promoEDIT.mpg

Basq

Locke wrote:

..when the voice over says "next wednesday", just then the lost logo appears, if you slow it down you see a set of wings..

You didn't attach a screenshot... can't see anythign resembling wings in that intro to the promo to be honest!

Unless you mean this (attached) which is just part of the graphics. And are used in every promo!

Think you may be over-analysing it a tad!

Locke

Yeah that's the one the out like looks like a giant bird, look again

steveland?

Err... I can't see it

I can see a couple of little lines but that's it...

As basquille (I think it was) posted up there earlier we'll see 2% (possibly 5%) of the monster in the final episode

If the hallucination Boone had where Shannon was killed then the giant bird/sea creature thing makes sense, but then again that was just a hallucination...

Basq

Like i said, "the monster" in that is a recurring graphic used in promos... a couple of squiggly lines doesn't make it a monster...

Locke

Guess you all could be correct sure we will have to wait and see, but when shannon got attacked in Metros dream,it looked it was flying creature that was chasing Shannon and don't forget when locked saw it for the first time it looked like it was either (A) Hovering above him (B) a very tall creature!!!

Hyzepher

I don't think a bird - or other flying creature - is likely. The creature as seen in the series so far has been dipicted as 'walking' through the jungle knocking down trees. If it had the ability to fly I think the survivors would have seen it by now.

Hyzepher

jor el

The biggest question I can think of regarding the monster is why did it not eat Locke? If it were a T-Rex, then Locke may have known that a T-Rex's vision is, like a hooker's , based on movement and just stood still so it would walk by. The smile on his face could have been because he really thinks the island won't hurt him if he believes in it's power, or something like that.

Anyway, I think it would ruin the potential atmosphere of the second season if they give away what the monster is in this season, but just a little hint would be nice.

dr strangelove

I want to know why the monster didn't actually eat the pilot bloke? (in one of the early episodes), i just seemed to grab him out of the cockpit, wander off and leave him in a tree. I mean, he wasn't even that badly mangled.

digiman

What do you mean when you say we will see 2-5% of the monster? Do you mean why might see its foot or eye or some other part of its body?

I don't think the monster is a part of their imagination as how was the pilot killed? Because this was seen by 3 people Jack, Charlie and Kate. It has to be something really big or can fly.

digiman

Hadn't seen dr strangelove post when I wrote mine. Strange we were thinking almost the same thing.

Basq

digiman wrote:

What do you mean when you say we will see 2-5% of the monster? Do you mean why might see its foot or eye or some other part of its body?

I'm afraid i can't answer that.. i didn't say it! Damon Lindedof did.. but i read elsewhere that Ian Somerhalder (Boone) said in an interview that we will see a certain amount of "the monster" in the season finale.

dr strangelove wrote:

I want to know why the monster didn't actually eat the pilot bloke? .. I mean, he wasn't even that badly mangled.

Wasn't even that badly mangled?...

Looks pretty damn mangled to me!! :rolleyes:

He had to be somewhat recognisable to the viewer!

jor el wrote:

Anyway, I think it would ruin the potential atmosphere of the second season if they give away what the monster is in this season, but just a little hint would be nice.

My sentiments exactly!!

Giblet

It's Walt. Walt was reading about birds when the bird died. He was reading about the bear when the Bear attacked him. So I think either he has a funny way of warning people, or he causes them to appear.

Basq

Giblet wrote:

It's Walt. Walt was reading about birds when the bird died. He was reading about the bear when the Bear attacked him. So I think either he has a funny way of warning people, or he causes them to appear.

Giblet.. just a warning to be careful on exploring threads with 'US:' at the beginning of the topic. This means we will be discussing episodes up as far as the one last aired in the US.

Regarding Walt "generating" the monster.. it's a conceivable theory but i'd really doubt it!

Giblet

I've seen them all.

Basq

Giblet wrote:

I've seen them all.

Ahhh right... apologies!

I assumed you only saw up until Michael's episode 'Special' with that comment!

You enjoy them?!

Giblet

Yeah it's pretty good. I hate Kates storyline though.

Hyzepher

I think Kates storyline is going to be pivotable for the series. The writers are making it vague for a reason - her story has by far the most ambiguity to it

Hyzepher

doh.ie

basquille wrote:

Like i said, "the monster" in that is a recurring graphic used in promos... a couple of squiggly lines doesn't make it a monster...

Yep. Locke's promo link was a 'brightened' version of the promo I saw last week - I think what you're looking at, Locke, is a shot of LEAVES on a tree in the jungle, and as Basquille says, these are on most of the ABC promos. I don't think it's any suggestion of a monster.

As for the 2-5%, I reckon we will get to see an eye. It would fit in with the directorial focus on eyes in earlier episodes, and may look quite spooky/neat to boot.

I still think the monster is only appearing at times of heightened fear, conflict and anxiety among the group. And Walt - not alone do I think he's responsible/connect to the monster, but I think he caused the crash as well (by looking at the graphic sheet showing what to do in the event of a crash.)

We're told there will be a special, unique view of the crash on the DVD - I'm hoping for something like this, though I have seen suggested elsewhere that we may also at some point get to see

the crash from Vincent (the dog's) perspective...

I'm already planning to watch tonight's new episode, "Exodus, Part I", after midnight (Thursday) tomorrow, just to ensure I get properly spooked. Never the same watching during the day if you want a good fright. Can't wait.

steveland?

We haven't seen the monster since Locke's encounter have we


(well... it hasn't shown up)

Giblet

I think Locke seeing "The monster" as beautiful and his references to the island as some sort of entity suggests that the monster is viewed differently by different people. Maybe it's not a monster at all depending on who you are.

Basq

Giblet wrote:

I think Locke seeing "The monster" as beautiful and his references to the island as some sort of entity suggests that the monster is viewed differently by different people. Maybe it's not a monster at all depending on who you are.

Excellent point, Giblet!

Quite possibly... but then again, Locke is the only one to have actually "seen" the monster (as far as we know) except for Boone in his hallucination.

pickarooney

A huge carniverous plant, methinks.

digiman

I have a feeling that everyone one of us is going to be completely shocked and completely wrong in our assumptions as to what it might be, when the monster is reaveled, thats if it is reaveled this season. I think it will be something that none of us have even thought of.

When Danielle said it was a

Security System

, I couldn't believe Jack didn't persist further in finding out what it was.

monomaniac

Spoilers for exodus part 1 below:



I think there's something below the entire island - notice in the last ep how you never see any disturbance of trees etc - just noise. Perhaps the noises are pressure pads setting off traps from above. That would explain why Locke and Hurley were safe standing still (as Locke also did in Walkabout).

And they only seem to encounter this "monster" when they are exploring the island - perhaps accidently wondering into the dark territory triggers it?

Interesting that when Locke notes that it is heading the other way the rain stops.

One other interesting point was that Danielle got Jack, kate and Artz to hide in the same type of tree that Boone and Shannon hid in. And when it was safe to come out the sun came out (just like Hearts and Minds).

The "monster" may well br related to the weather. Making me think that the whole island is man-made.

There's rumors that in Exodus 2/3 we'll find out that Lostzilla was responsible for ripping the plane in half.

If true this will only seek to baffle further.

Hyzepher

In the pilot when they hear the monster first - there is evidence of trees being trampled. I still think the monster is something physical - Danielle was visibly scared and I am sure she would have known if it was just an alarm of some sort.

Interesting point about the rain - I noticed that it only rained around the exploring few, not back on the beach where the boat was being launched.

I like the idea that the island is man made - make a lot of sense and may make it easier to explain some of the mysteries.

Hyzepher

monomaniac

Hyzepher wrote:

Interesting point about the rain - I noticed that it only rained around the exploring few, not back on the beach where the boat was being launched.

Hyzepher

Great catch!

Cabaal

Giblet wrote:

It's Walt. Walt was reading about birds when the bird died. He was reading about the bear when the Bear attacked him. So I think either he has a funny way of warning people, or he causes them to appear.

Sounds like your talking about one of the characters from the movie Sphere

Cabaal

digiman wrote:

When Danielle said it was a

Security System

, I couldn't believe Jack didn't persist further in finding out what it was.

You would think he was more concerned about getting back to the beach, I guess the next ep will tell us more

Hyzepher

After watching the pilot - yet again - on RTE, I am convinced that the 'monster' is metalic. There was a definite metal sound when it was moving etc.

It is definitely tangible and I would say it is motion sensored.

Hyzepher

Basq

Hyzepher wrote:

..and I would say it is motion sensored.

Like a "security system"... that's what Danielle said!

Neil3030

On that point regarding the rain, in the pilot it was raining on the beach as well as with Jack, Charlie and your wan were looking for the cockpit, wasn't it?

Hyzepher

Another thing struck me about the 'monster' - the doesn't seem to need to 'eat' - no evidence of dead animals or bones etc - leads me more down the road that this thing is mechanical

Hyzepher

Kazaanova

I disagree about the rain. I think its just an effect.

I think its now painfully clear that the "monster" isnt any sort of animal. It is a security system, probably set up by the others. Judging from the events in Exouds, it seems to be operated from under the island. The sounds are either sound effects used on purpose to scare people, or the sound of gears and chains moving that operate the traps etc.

That all makes sense, but not when you factor in the black smoke. I've no idea what that is, its probably not even smoke. It doesnt move like smoke or a swarm of insects.

Basq

Thought some of ye might be interested in this...

It's the 2 views we get of the monster in the finale slowed down significantly. Clip 2 is definantly the better shot!

Clip 1 (1.2MB WMV - 8 seconds)
Clip 2 (1MB WMV - 6 seconds)

I've heard suggestions of it looking like a swarm of some sort of flies / bugs. But i think it's clearly some black smoke.. but i'm very interested in the way it moves... very creepily!

If they can come up with a valid explanation for this cloud monster.. i'd be eternally hooked! (not that i'm not already.. )

EDIT: Found this on the Web... done by a person who runs a dedicated Lost community (get the promo's off there every week). And she reckons:

Right, okay. Noticed something while watching the tape. And then noticed something else from messing with the screen captures...



While pausing my tape and trying to figure out why the smoke was in certain shapes I noticed that they kind of looked like demon-ish heads. Don't know if you can see. But after looking closer....



There are photos within the clouds of smoke or what have you. The one to the left looks like a man and a baby. Who really knows though.

This is extremely fascinating to me. EXTREMELY.

Not too sure about the faces thing.... i can definantly see something but doubtful it's anything too meaningful to be honest! Original post here!

EDIT 2: Actually, the scene from the screencap above was not in either of my original videos as in Clip 2, i got "the monster's" escape after the explosion whereas this screencap show it's directly as the explosion happens.

Below is a link to a short video of this reputed scene with the supposed image of a man and chid.

I did notice something however! It seems that just after the explosion, the area in which apparently shows these faces is very accented / focused on! It's almost like the area around the "images" are grey, but the rest of the "cloud" is black...

You'll see what i mean when you watch the scene focusing on those areas.

Anyways, watch a slowed down somewhat brighter version here (1.2MB WMV - 9 seconds)

Basq

An enhanced look at that screenshot:



Also found this on another site.. mate of mine has my Lost episodes so can't check it. Can someone look at the pilot again and confirm it this has any grounds. It seems definantly enhanced but try going through it frame by frame:



Looks pretty fake but interesting to know nonetheless!

madrab

very interesting, must look at some of my old episodes to check that out

Ciaran500

That shadow is definatley in the pilot, just checked.

tvnutz

Didnt people do this with the hatch?? When it lit up people started editing it and could make a face out,I wouldnt trust a lot of that stuff.

steveland?

I can confirm that this

is most certainly what happens as I've just watched it in slow motion on my copy of it...

You can also see the black thing flying towards the engine as Locke is walking past it... interesting that it made one pass, missed when Locke was there and then blew it up when Locke was at a safe distance...

Ciaran500

steveland? wrote:

You can also see the black thing flying towards the engine as Locke is walking past it... interesting that it made one pass, missed when Locke was there and then blew it up when Locke was at a safe distance...

I thought the person sucked into the engine might be the cause of the explosion

Basq

This new development is very interesting actually!

Especially considering the smoke type effect has been mainly what we've seen of the monster recently.

pickarooney

I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees

BOOBIES!

in that enhanced screenshot.

I have no idea what you people are talking about with that still from the pilot. What am I supposed to be seeing there?

Basq

pickarooney wrote:

I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees

BOOBIES!

in that enhanced screenshot.

I have no idea what you people are talking about with that still from the pilot. What am I supposed to be seeing there?

I have no idea what you mean....... ( o ) ( o ).... whoops, typo!

Watch the area around the jet engine before it explodes... a grey shadow swoops down above it and then up into the sky past it as it explodes, like it caused the explosion.

pickarooney

I have to say I'm with Ciaran500 on this one - the heavy-set bloke being sucked into the engine caused the explosion as far as I'm concerned.