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(whisper) drugs?
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27-02-2001 12:43am#1
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In particuar, the one which makes people very happy and thinks everyone is there best mate....[\quote]
Doesn't this worry you? Fact is they aren't your best mate. I had a girlfriend go well overboard with E, and it was just fkin pathetic - she lost all social ability and became painfully fkin boring. She even used quotes like you just have, which I find very sad in the extreme.
Personally I have no time for pills/powders of any sort. However, a couple of my friends on occasion will try some things. It's not often so I don't give a damn really. If any of them started using lines as above, most of us would round on them - this gives a fairly clear choice ... You can think everyone is your best mate[\i] or you could actually have some.
Alcohol and even dope to a lesser extent, are social and slower. I don't have a problem with them. May seem hypocritical, but I am only giving my personal view here.
I ruled out everything else and settle for those two based on what I perceive to be the risk/reward involved.
JAK.
ps- I disagree with the 'Peaceful drug' idea. No more than alcohol, there are violent people who take E and remain violent.
pps- Code not working
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Yeah I agree with most of that, I was just trying to describe it in an obvious way without pressing the e key..
I just wanted to see how many other people out there knew stuff about it. I know that doing it alot means you are gonna get really depressed very ages..
I had a bad experience with it when i did hash aswell. It made me extremly paranoid, and I even started hallucinating a few hours later! It wasnt good at all really... and yeah Im sick of everyone thinking everyone is their best mate.. its very fake sometimes. It makes you make a face like this
and sometimes this 
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"theres a time and place for everything. and that place is college."
never have wiser words been spoken
anyway...
more you tell people that something is bad for ya, more people are going go and experiment and thats where things go downhill due to a lack of intelligence.
i mean majority of pills (if from a reliable source) are grand, same with acid (although pretty rare thse days), but like playing with your head anymore than twice a month will seriously f.ck your head and your personality up. this will happen. and you probably wont even notice it.
responsible use is where some people fall down on. use your head and with a good bunch of friends your usually safe enough.
btw im not promoting anything but a bit of f.ckin cop-on here. btw www.urban75.com is pretty good.
and Frodo.. dunno bout the ormonde and the temple of sound *cough* unce unce but damn ufo and the funnel were good while they lasted, actually I reckon its time to start a decent night out thread in Music... 0 -
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I remember that about the cocaine or herion that a few collage students spreaded around and it killed 3 of them because someone spiked it with some type of poison that kills instantly
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"bring back jungle ,break beat and drum and base"
it's already back. organisations such as bassbin, resolution, basscape... check out www.irishdrumnbass.com and youll see whats happening.
and just for you "happy" and normal happy ppl bryan g is playin in HQ this thursday. bring your moneys and adnans will sort you out *wink*wink*
adnans
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I remember the days when I started drinking.
Id get ****ed and laff my hole off at everything.
Gosh I miss those days.
Although, every now and then, somehow the alcahol mix gets juuuuust right.....
As for drugs...
cannabis, hash etc. do what ya want tbh.
They are relatively harmless. Coffee (with as much sugar as I take) is probably worse for you.
Heroine...weh,- is a little too far imo. I dont like needles.
Im not encouraging drug use btw. Im just saying its not all black and white and the ez stuff doesnt bother me much. Although, right, and I rekon this is the way to go, is do ala this stuff when ure 60.
I mean, ure best days are over, uve earned the money to afford it, and who gives a fu<k if some old coot is high as a kite?
So no I dont use, I'll let it go a few decades
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'I mean, ure best days are over, uve earned the money to afford it, and who gives a fu<k if some old coot is high as a kite?
' good point, well put.
'I will argue with anybody that attempts to tell me that hash is okay in moderation - it isn't, and if anybody is interested, I can tell them exactly what it does to their body.
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Ok, let's hear it.
Oh and Cloud/Regi, if you read this, is there any chance of getting the old 'Reply & Quote' thingie back, I just wasted fifteen seconds of my life cut & pasting
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"Cannabis does not leave the body. It has no exit. Over time, cannabis levels build up in the body."
Dr. Lester Grinspoon:
"Cannabinoids are fat soluble, so they are eliminated from the body slowly. A single use of marijuana will leave traces in the urine for about 48 hours. If marijuana is used medicinally and thus repeatedly, traces of cannabinoid derivatives will remain in the urine for as long as five or six weeks after cessation of use. The more liquids a person drinks just before the time of observation, the lower the proportion of cannabinoid derivatives found in the urine."
"Longterm, since the tars are much stronger and more numerous than those of tobacco, the risks of lung cancer, mouth cancer, throat cancer, painful mucus membrane problems (ie nasal tissues) and if you eat it, stomach cancer, are very high"
Sorry what tars? Tar in marjuana? Ok kid, tar isnt grown. It comes from fossilised remains and is added to cigarettes to help them burn. U ever make a joint or watch someone making one? you arent actually doing anything different to a cigarette except using hash instead. Tar is basically the same.
"In a recent Rolling Stone interview, Clinton said he personally favored the legalization of use and sale of small amounts of marijuana."
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Anecdotal evidence indicates cannabis may have the following medicinal values:
* Reduces nausea, * Stimulates appetite in wasting patients, * Reduces eye pressure in glaucoma patients, * Reduces pain, * Steadies spastic muscles, and * Helps prevent seizures.
However, there are dangers accompanying the smoking of the drug, according to 1997 and 1999 studies by the Institute of Medicine ( IOM ).
Perils include:
* Throat and lung cancer, * Disrupted short-term memory, and * Suppressed immune defenses, causing chronic bronchitis.
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Sounds like smoking cept for short term memory disruption, which is duuuh due to u being high
Long term there is no such proof, but by the time ure gonna suffer ull b old anyway
Besides, moderate use is the key, and moderate use aint gonna do fvck all to u.
How much damage to ure liver does moderate drinking do ffs. They still arent sure if a glass of red wine a day is good or bad for you. But it aint so bad as its gonna kill u. Same with hash.
Basically dont bother mouthing off how bad this, how bad that, like you know, when even the experts dont fking know. Its up to each individual to do what they want, but they are aware that its breaking the law to smoke hash in Ireland.
Anyway, im going packing for my trip to Amsterdam.....
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"People have a tendency to turn to cannabis generally because they realise that any low feelings that they are experiencing will drift away with a joint."
No they don't. People do not generally smoke cannabis because they are depressed. The main reason is a simple feeling of wellbeing, the same as any stimulant. Don't generalise.
"Cannabis does not leave the body. It has no exit."
So thats why I'm gaining weight ! I've put on an ounce in the last month
"..Over time, cannabis levels build up in the body. This means, that because the pleasure centre is activated by it, the body is unaware of damage being done."
Thats muddled thinking and doen't really make sense. What REALLY happens is it DOES leave your body. The THC molecules attach to fatty tissue and both break down over time. Up to 6 weeks absteninence is required to completely purge the body having smoked heavily for a protracted period. Needless to say the psychoactive qualities wear off in a couple of hours
"Cannabis can lead, used over a long time, to depression, paranoia, and ultimately, irreversible mental illness. "
Yes in extreme cases of overuse to the first two and perhaps the third. Eating kiwi makes my tongue and throat swell up to the point that I can't breathe. It's true.
"..It meddles with the switchboard in the brain, so that incoming and outcoming messages get confused. This is where the paranoia springs from."
Thats another of those weired "thank Jebus you don't teach biology" sentences that I just don't know what to make of.
"The cerebrum (part of brain responsible for judgement), the cerebellum (part of brain for organising muscle function), and medulla and midbrain (connects cerebrum to spinal chord) are all damaged and slowed by cannabis use."
Well thats what the site you cut and pasted from said, I however have read studies on the subject which would refute and/or contradict that theory. Who do we believe ?
"It is a sedative, and lowers the activity of the central nervous system. That means, if the body is attacked with a virus or is injured, it will be dull to react. This can stay with you all your life, thus meaning that you are more likely to die if ever contracting a disease."
Complete Bull****. You saying it does not make it true.
"Despite research, the way cannabis acts on the chemical make-up of the body is unpredictable. That is why it has not been used in medicine since 1930. Scientists believe that cannabis competes with other natural chemicals in the brain, thus retarding hormone growth. This lowers sex drive, and in women, can retard a baby's growth"
Only in women ? Cannabis is a very stable alkaline. THC reacts with known receptors in the brain. There is no mystery about this. Thousands of years of "live tests" have proven the benign nature of Cannabis.
The reason it has not been used in medicine since the 30s is due to a powerful lobby from the pharmacutical and textile industries. The former had patented man made concoctions which had no market with cannabis available as a better alternative and the latter same deal with man made fibres (DuPont family) Vs traditional hemp.
"The reason people who have taken cannabis over a long period of time seem slow, is because they are brain-damaged. I am not kidding. They have put their brain to sleep, and there is no way to wake it."
12 years later I can still walk and chew gum. Although I do admit my brain is a little slow to wake up some days
"The force of action in cannabis a substance called THC, and is suurprisingly similar to LSD. These are both poisons. Not all hash is the same. Powder hash resin can be up to 16 times strogner than than ordinary marijuana. Depends where its grown, etc."
If you are going to bu11**** on a given topic try to at least learn the correct terms, if not the facts. This will make your point more convincing.
"Temptation becomes tough to resist when cannabis is nearby because the smell activates the pleasure centre. Psychological dependance can occur very quickly. Physical dependance does *not* occur, though."
Bu11****. Prove it.
Effects on the body include 1. bloodshot eyes, 2. dizziness, 3. headaches, 4. backaches, 5. dry nose, mouth and eyes, 6. sick stomach, 7. tendency to become accident prone, 8. asthmatic attacks, 9. sleeplessness, 10. anxiety, 11. depression and 12.psychosomatic pain (ie - you imagine it).
1. Yes. Whats the problem
2. If it's any good
3. No it doesn't. Unless you're generalising again.
4. Backaches ??? Are you on drugs ???
5. Possibly. To the detriment of ?
6. Oh god. It is a irrefutable fact that it acts to suppress nausea. It was this quality (among others) that caused it to be legalised for medicinal use in california. Its hard to say no to someone whos dying of cancer/chemotherapy.
7. Thats called being wasted.
8. If your asthmatic.
9. Quite the opposite.
10.Dunno. Personally no.
11.So it causes depression as well as being an escape from it (remember low feelings drifting away with a joint ?)
12. No. It doesn't. And your saying it doesn't make it true.
"Longterm, since the tars are much stronger and more numerous than those of tobacco, the risks of lung cancer, mouth cancer, throat cancer, painful mucus membrane problems (ie nasal tissues) and if you eat it, stomach cancer, are very high."
It may well be carcinogenic but it is generally accepted that smoking anything isn't really good for your lungs. Paprika and burnt toast also cause cancer.
"The story about nobody dying from hash and lots dying from cigarettes is an urban myth. People *do* die from hash poisoning, and from cancer related to their hash habits."
Show me the gravestones because a lethal dose of THC is thought to be several acres of flowering tops ingested at the same time.
People *DO NOT* die of hash poisoning. You can not find a single piece of evidence to back this up.
"I know more stuff - but that is a summary. It is not good in any way. Do what you like - but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. "
You leave me no option. You haven't a clue. You do not know what you are talking about.
"I have seen ruined lives because of drug use"
A sad truth.
"I have done research (information is only as good as the filter you apply) and carried out surveys (with people who share your views ?) and won debates (Ph33r the college debating team).
My credentials ? None, other than habitual toker for many years who doesn't really toke much any more.
*Disclaimer* Drugs are bad, m'kay.
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Such arrogance.
You can't justify it. It is posion. I don't give a damn if you enjoy it and insist on praising its qualities. I don't care if Bill Clinton said he would like it legalised.
My information is compiled mostly from the research of MHCJ Scholtes, an expert in drug and alcohol education. He works with a British publishing company, Band of Hope Union, and with the Board of Social Witness. Not from secondary school leaflets, not from home-made websites. The condescension in this place is sickening.
Just because our resident twelve year user here has not experienced each symptom I described does not mean that they don't occur. Perhaps you did not experience the bloodshot eyes, dry nose and mouth etc., because they are the results of a *low* intake, (
) along with rising heartrate and blood pressure. Its effect differs, you know that. It is unpredictable. Are you proud, by the way, of how you have regularly poisoned your body with an illegal substance? Would you like some merits for it?
My surveys were for debating purposes. I compiled a survey of six drug and alcohol view questions and interviewed 200 people between the ages of 15 and 20. 92% felt that hash is an acceptable drug. So no - I wasn't interviewing people with the same views as me. 4% recognised that health can be affected.
I did extensive library research on the subject of cannabis, especially the area of cannabis in medecine. It is wholeheartedly not reccommended, as it was found to induce depression in patients who used it for pain relief.
So whatever. Continue to belittle all of my arguments and continue to demand proof. Where is the proof of what *you* say? I really have no interest in what you do to damage yourself. I mean that.
I checked up on the cannabis not leaving the body thing. I was working from memory in my last post and it's true - I take that back - it does leave - but only if the user quits using it. Otherwise it builds up as it needs six weeks to get cleared from the system. I guess I was thinking in terms of how it builds up. So I retract, please all accept my humblest apologies for that error. Look, I learned something and admitted it.
Cannabis poisoning *has* occurred resulting in death. It's rare, but it has happened. Cancer due to cannabis smoking late in life is not uncommon.
I wrote earlier that people often smoke hash because they know that any low feelings they have will disappear. Somebody contradicted me and in the same breath told me that they do it not to kill depression (which i didn't mention - there is some difference in depression and feeling fed-up) but to gain "a simple feeling of wellbeing".
Hmmm. Sounds quite similar to what I said. You need drugs to get a "simple feeling of wellbeing"?! See a counsellor, man.
In case nobody noticed, this is not a competition to see who is the smartest. In the left hand corner we have me - talking about the importance of not poisoning the body, of not getting mixed up in the illegalities of drugs in this country, discussing how it's important to get through things without the aid of drugs.
In the right hand corner we have everybody else, condoning breaking the law, advertising the proagandistic benefits of cannabis, and proclaiming theri health afetr years of enjoying recreational drugs. You like to promote it even though it just sucks ass.
Well, I'll stay here on my own. I didn't come in to start a fight, I gave my opinions and some facts that i will stand by. I never claimed to be an expert - I said I have a smattering, and I do.
Bottom line: POISON IS BAD
This is a plea for one person to agree with me. On second thoughts, this is my last post in here. I'm not about to take a bashing for being concerned with health and morality.
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Ok, Smelly Socks, you started this so what's your opinion eh?
My own opinion is that people should be allowed take whatever substances they wish and abuse their bodies if they see fit to do so.
They're doing it right now anyway - so what harm to legalise drugs which would have two benefits: regulation of the supply and sale side means tax revenues from the government so we could get some new motorways out of these zoned-out hippies, and you would have far less violence and street crimes, an estimated 70% of which are carried out by addicts to help provide cash for their next fix.
Personally speaking, I have only ever taken a few tabs of acid years ago, and the odd joint. That's all I ever have the desire to take. If I want to make more, I will.
Tobacco destroys lives, of users and bystanders, as does alcohol, yet these are legal and heavily taxed - why does the government not just bite the bullet and legalise the rest? People are taking them anyway, and will continue to do so until the end of time.0 -
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If I misinterpreted what you said CB then it is due to your inconcise prose
"However if drugs are freely available to all adults it is highly likely that a greater percentage of the population will try them."
I dont agree. Nobody suggested "availability to all adults" only to registered existing users. See my previous point.0 -
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Well I do want to see 'Requiem for a Dream' but haven't got time atm, will get it on video though as it does look good.
As for E, never taken it, don't plan to. Don't really need it (or alcohol) if I want to stare at women's ar$es or shout obscenities in the street 0 -
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