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Interesting article on EVs

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  • #32
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,855 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123715949#Comment_123715949

    the rest of the world would not regard 560km as 'quite small'. i work with lots of germans and portuguese and (with one exception) they would regard those sort of distances as exceptional.



  • #33
    magicbastarder
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    and in a funny coincidence, the exception would drive from dusseldorf to berlin once a month maybe, to see his mother - and the drive is almost spot on 560km.



  • #34
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716066#Comment_123716066

    ... they don't seen to have a problem doing long distance in an EV.



  • #35
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,939 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716055#Comment_123716055

    If you are required to drive over 550km each day then buy a diesel. Nobody gives a ****

    Your EV options driving 550km+/day

    Buy a car with a bigger battery and/or faster charging and take out a decent public charging subscription as that range can't really be covered on home charging alone

    I'd probably take the train for convenience though



  • #36
    Buddy Bubs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,021 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I think that article is balanced enough, not coming down too strong on either the pro or anti side. Possibly leaning towards anti but not the worst I've seen.

    I don't think I've ever done 560kms in a day but I have 3 regular intercity routes from Dublin that are in the 450km range but I know the routes, the chargers, know my car and it's grand.

    Sometimes I make it without charging, 2 of them have destination charging which I use if staff there aren't using them that day but im happy enough to do quick stop on way back if I need it.

    Its also about choosing right car for the job, I have a choice of 2 EVs and apart from once I always take the longer range one.



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  • #37
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Some of my ICE vehicles can't do 560km on a tank either. What's your point?

    (of the current fleet, my dodge van would likely not get there as it does 12mpg, and my k11 micra probably not because the tank is so small. Other cars I had in the past like a mk4 fiesta would be the same, I think the full to empty range was 250miles in the 1.3 and about 350 in the 1.8d)



  • #38
    TerrieBootson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716323#Comment_123716323

    Wouldn't take 40 minutes to fill the Micra though



  • #39
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716402#Comment_123716402

    No but it would cost similar as filling an EV at a fast charger.



  • #40
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716323#Comment_123716323

    Wouldn't do it in my ICE either.



  • #41
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716402#Comment_123716402

    You'd need more than 40 mins to recover doing 5hrs+ in Micra. I've done Dublin to Clonakilty in K11. A high speed cruiser it isn't.



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  • #42
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716323#Comment_123716323

    I always thought the K11 I had was on the thirsty side for a 1.0 16v. I think because it needs a good few revs to get the power out of it. I had cars with bigger engines which got better mpg.



  • #43
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭micks_address


    i feel like 250km is more than enough for me in a single journey.. that gets me Dublin to Sligo with 50% left in my battery. Rarely I do the return journey the same day. Did once but had researched fast charger options so topped up in 30 minutes and was away again.



  • #44
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    "should have taken the train", I'm laughing at that, EV fans getting desperate now.

    I've never done 560 km in a day in Ireland but have often done 450-500, sometimes two days in a row. That's important because by the time I got home and left again the next morning, I wouldn't have enough time to fully charge a large battery. So much for "I've got a petrol station on my driveway".

    As for the article, the writer mentions doing his journey in his diesel banger at an average speed of about 100 km/h.

    Bjorn Nyland, Battery Life and It's Only Electric set the standard for proper EV range tests. They have carried out hundreds of tests at 90 km/h, 93 km/h, 110 km/h, 120 km/h, 130 km/h. A small number of cars have achieved 560+ km range at the slowest of those speeds. One car, the Lucid Air, could do 580 kms at a speed of 120 km/h. All of the (relatively) good ranges are achieved in dry and usually warm summer conditions.

    Bjorn results

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6ucyFGKWuSQzvI8lMzvvWJHrBS82echMVJH37kwgjE/edit?gid=735351678#gid=735351678

    Battery Life results

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sJ9kwAfjOqFsVRMIhJN3so8wA0PEscOQw5Wpw5RHD_Y/edit?gid=1852784883#gid=1852784883

    It's Only Electric results

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FG_8I9k_qS_o1a1TEtbuMj_ncgr7j3b_/edit?gid=1742161859#gid=1742161859

    The fact is that 500+ km is an issue for EVs. So is 400 km or even 300 km for many at motorway speeds. Hyundai ioniq 6 77 kWh, one of the most aerodynamic and motorway suitable EVs available with an over 600 km WLTP range - Nyland got 380 kms at 120 km/h. That's running 100-0% in a new car in dry weather at 9 degrees. Include some headroom for not running to 0%, battery deg and wet, windy weather and that car is going to do considerably less than 380.

    With the cheapest new diesels now close to 40k, what's the alternative for serious drivers who want a new car. There's this which due to its price (18340 new) is virtually guaranteed to cause butthurt to overly invested EV zealots and get some of them to start making personal attacks. 18340 and no fcuking around with expensive public charging, no Leafspeed, no leaving the motorway to "stop for a quick charge", no thinking about weather, granny chargers, upgrading the meter tails in your house to install a home charger. No problem if you don't have a driveway. No need to take the train. Fuel stations everywhere, Near diesel level of economy yet no DPF to clog up. New car with the benefits that come with that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBG3tsCvb_g


  • #45
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716731#Comment_123716731

    Bringing it back from the auctions to my house in wexford was about 1.5 hours on the motorway, most of it at 4k rpm just to do 100-110. It's a small city car. But it's indestructible.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716744#Comment_123716744

    Yes it's underpowered, but that's the reason it's a city, learner and nun car. And delivery food drivers for some reason.

    But yeah, to be honest I don't think anyone would pick to do 560km in one over an EV that had to stop once!

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716767#Comment_123716767

    I do 250km drives on a regular basis, used to do more often but thankfully not so much anymore. They are kindof the crossover point between a long drive and a long drive, imo. I did a 575km drive at the weekend with 7 passengers and that was a long-ass trip. It was an ice, but, want to know something funny? We stopped once for fuel in Ionity Athlone, spending 45 minutes to have lunch as well, and another stop for a stretch the legs 15 minute cup of tea at coynes cross. If we were in an EV we could have easily done the same exact trip with literally no change.



  • #46
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716777#Comment_123716777

    EV haters getting desperate when they can dump all that babble and ignore that Nyland does 1000km range tests. How is that possible in a vehicle that can't do 1000km.

    Kinda desperate to say you can't start a journey unless you've charged to 100% on a driveway. That's a locked in fixated ICE mindset.



  • #47
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716055#Comment_123716055

    "..If you are required to drive over 550km each day then buy a diesel. Nobody gives a ****...."

    Exactly.



  • #48
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716809#Comment_123716809

    So reliable K11 ran forever with almost no repairs needed. Amazing motor. Fun to push. I guess that's why some rally them. Only got rid of mine because it was out of its depth on a motorway.



  • #49
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,765 ✭✭✭✭josip


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716777#Comment_123716777

    "The fact is that 500+ km is an issue for EVs."

    😀



  • #50
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716819#Comment_123716819

    Utterly pointless comment about Bjorn's 1000 km test. My diesel car (1200 km range) can do 1 million kms if I fuel it often enough. Which will be a lot less often than any current EV.

    And here we go with the usual deflection, hyperbole, minimisation, exaggeration and characterising someone as a "hater". Someone criticises EVs due to the cost of public charging or the state of the network - response, just charge at home. Someone criticises the range of EVs - response, just charge publicly.

    Meanwhile, some EV owner is boasting about how they've got a petrol station on their driveway and their car is full in the morning and they don't need to charge publicly - but wait - they must be stuck in some sort of locked in ICE mindset.

    Meanwhile, someone else is being told they should take the train.

    Babble? I have posted range facts from 3 EV YT channels that you and others on here don't like and no amount of hyperbole, deflection, minimisation, exaggeration changes those facts.



  • #51
    Buffman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Buffman


    In other 'breaking news', water is wet and the sky is blue.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058421777/interesting-article-on-evs

    How about the more salient point that you're posting about a rehashed article written in 2023 about a journey made in 2021, obviously just looking for a reaction of some kind, when actually it's possibly the one thing everyone agrees on that if you're relying regularly on paid public charging out of your own pocket, then an EV is not for you.

    If you were a newly signed up poster I'd be calling it trolling.

    A couple of years ago, however, I decided it was time to put this to the test for the first time. The vehicle chosen for this experiment was a Volvo C40 Recharge Twin Pro, generously loaned to me by the Swedish automaker for a week.

    Car is a 71 plate 2021/22 Volvo C40

    This variant was priced at £47,100 at the time, while our test car came in at £61,950 at the time of writing in 2023.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



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  • #52
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716883#Comment_123716883

    What I'm hearing it's your car can't do 1500km non stop.

    A master class of whataboutery won't change that.



  • #53
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716888#Comment_123716888

    The sky is only blue half the time, the other half it's black.

    So, I suppose you're only half right.

    However, if wetness is defined as the ability of a liquid to make another surface wet, then water is what makes other things wet, but it is not wet itself. 

    So maybe you're only ¼ right.



  • #54
    Buffman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Buffman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716920#Comment_123716920

    So you are just trolling, suggest you try harder next time, no more feeding the troll from me. 👋

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • #55
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716888#Comment_123716888

    Kinda curious why Volvo would loan him an older model used car for a test. Especially when they aren't a motoring Journo. l didn't spot it was recycled article.

    Changing to EV requires a change in mindset. Theres going to people who aren't able to do it. Or just don't want.

    Not entirely sure why people start a thread, or keep posting about things they have no interest in.

    Just don't buy one. End of.



  • #56
    Buffman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Buffman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716926#Comment_123716926

    They didn't, that's my point, they gave him a brand new car for his journey that was made in 2021, which he apparently took 2 years write about the first time for the 2023 article and now decided to recycle it 2 years after that again.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • #57
    Flinty997
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123716934#Comment_123716934

    When I went to put it into ABRP to check it's route and range it seemed to an older model, the current one is EX40. That said it got pretty much the same range, and ABRP got much a similar result as the writer. Some big charging sites on route though.



  • #58
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,818 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123715175#Comment_123715175

    I pay about 6c per kWh. Battery is 75kWh. Model Y Juniper AWD range is 580ish. I was being conservative with €7 incase a few extra units were needed on the road. It costs me less than a fiver to fill up.

    Stay Free



  • #59
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    1200km range in a Diesel, guess the fuel tanks on that vehicle had the capacity:

    image.png


  • #60
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,818 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I picked up a Peugeot 206 in Munich yesterday. Brand new. 6km on the odo. Full tank. Range calculated at 420km 😂

    Stay Free



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  • #61
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,955 ✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123717183#Comment_123717183

    An old 3 Series has a fuel tank capacity of 61L. So it would only need to achieve 5.1L/100km, (or 55MPG) to reach 1200km of range. Thats very much achievable at UK motorway speeds (70mph/110kph), and in fact, its exactly what I achieved on a recent drive from Manchester to Dublin in a 2016 320d.

    Then you have the likes of larger saloon cars like Passats, A6’s, 520d’s which have 70L tanks and 7 speed gearboxes which can also achieve 1200km



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