Fox Hunting.

baxterooneydoody

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498526#Comment_123498526

Whatever about livestock, but when was the last time you heard of anyone in Ireland having a shoot out with burglars, we're not in some **** hole neighbourhood in America, we don't need more gun ownership, that would just end up with the lads coming to steal your quad tooling up with sawn offs in case farmer ted comes out all guns blazing

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498535#Comment_123498535

Oh a dead fox , but usually shot by chicken and sheep farmers when they pose a risk to livestock . Its not hunting per se .

Especially given the rise of free range chicken and eggs .

SupaCat95

TThat incident with Frog ward. Then there was the incident with the traveller in the caravan. As for standing your ground and Castle doctrine. Yes you should be able to defend your property. People are very afraid to lose their gun lisence. A simple discharge in the air will see most burglers off. You do know there are severe penalties for having an unlisenced/stolen firearm?

baxterooneydoody

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498577#Comment_123498577

I don't think criminals get their gun licenses the usual way tho, anyway, thankfully we're a long way off the vast majority needing a firearm fur protection

SupaCat95

TThe point of having a gun is that you are responsible for your own protection. We have seen what happens when other countries take a nations defence interest. Look at Ukraine, the United States and Russia appear close to peace when they are actually carving up its minerals, grain supply and Icefree ports. You see in the UK the country is close to civil unrest.

whisky_galore

Getting back on topic from all the trolling and smartarsery, it appear the vote has passed the first stage. Strange for a non govt party proposal and equally strange I saw a few rural TDs voted in favour of a ban.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/0528/1515509-fox-hunting/

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498814#Comment_123498814

Yeah, quietly surprised by a few names on that list too. I suppose the days of hunts tearing through tillage and upsetting livestock are mostly behind us. There’ll always be a few gullible ones swayed by a bottle of brandy and a hamper, but most of the farmers I know wouldn’t be too keen on them.

magicbastarder

i know the ward union hunt was unpopular with at least some farmers in north county dublin/meath, who did not want them near their land.

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498814#Comment_123498814

SF voted against the Bill apparently.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123499055#Comment_123499055

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmer-frustration-at-land-damaged-by-trespassing-hunt/

dmakc

I'm out of the loop - this is specifically hunts with horses/dogs yes? Are lampers included?

I've problems with the above. But farmers knowingly shooting foxes themselves or hired help should remain fine IMO.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123499043#Comment_123499043

No man is an island. In the country you need to keep to keep on good terms with your neighbours. You never know the day you need your animals taken to mart, need a piece of machinery, need to go to hospital and have your animals fed. If you think a hamper and a bottle of whiskey at Christmas equates to a few hours fencing, rolls of wire and a few fence posts, you are so wrong, its much much more than that. Its visits in hospital, its boxes of groceries and pensions collected during Covid. The Hunt in our area is a two way thing. I have never had my uncles say a bad word about his friends and neighbours. What are a few spools of wire and fence posts between friends. Our hunt gives us a weeks notice. Post are taken down and put up again, animals are confined close to the house for a few hours. You are going to have a hard time getting through life without a farmer in your life. Ahhhh the vertical farms that are opening next year and Larry Goodmans plans for TVP and Future Farms. What could go wrong?

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123499886#Comment_123499886

We went shopping for elderly neighbours during Covid, we took Ukrainians into our homes, and we help each other out, that kind of decency isn’t exclusive to rural areas. It’s just basic human decency and should be expected, not glorified.

But hunting on land after being refused permission isn’t respectful to farmers. It’s trespass. Poaching grazing, spooking livestock, running dogs through flocks of pregnant ewes it causes real damage and distress.

So yes, people help each other out. But let’s not pretend that poor behaviour or disrespect doesn’t happen too, especially from some hunts who act like the land is theirs to roam. You must remember, livestock and tillage are farmers livelihood, and will end up on your plate someday.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123500015#Comment_123500015

Your problem is mutual respect on both sides has broken down. That is a "you" problem not an "us" problem. It doesnt matter who did what when. There is going to be a day in the future when you will need your neighbour. That is not the day to say the hunting matter is unresolved. We get on fine with our neighbours.

There were two serious accidents on our farm with elderly uncles, the neighbour was called. The neighbour said do not call an ambulance I will have you there faster (45 minutes). Shure it was a bit of a Winston Wolff scenario with blood and sheets on the backseat after a lawn mower incident. The uncle would definitely would have bled out in the time given if we waited for the Ambulance. Our neighbours on the hunt know what is in and out of bounds. If a horse manures a field that is only our gain. The issue is not the hunting but neighbours and boundary management issue.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498043#Comment_123498043

I know all I need to know about firearms. You are the one stating that an armed society is a polite society which indicates that it is you that have no idea about firearms. A fox attacking your chickens is fair game but let's face facts, lots of scumbags are out murdering fox's that are not on anybodys farm. Murdering defenceless animals is utterly disgusting behaviour. I know you are not but anybody who is part of an organised hunt are disgusting individuals.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123500191#Comment_123500191

You’re acting like getting on with your neighbours is some rare virtue. It’s not—it’s normal. Helping each other out, giving lifts, even bringing someone to hospital—that’s just decent behaviour, not sainthood.

Now tell a farmer who’s had his fields torn up and pregnant ewes harassed that it doesn’t matter who did what when.

If I moved to your area and brought a few lads up into your fields on scramblers “for the craic”, would you be grand with that?

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498434#Comment_123498434

alright there Earl Turner .

abbylara was 25 years ago , when training and equipment was minimal and AGS armed members were generally trained and used againest your own home grown terrorist entities . As i recal the profesional peer review that the FBI carried out was amazed he wasnt shot immeadity on firing on armed police

try the george nkencho incident for a more realistic comparison

regardless it has little to do with every gormless creature with opposable thumbs having a lethal weapon they can carry around .

The Swiss attitude towards firearms is more of a civic responsibility rather than the American attitude towards firearms.

Austria is the 14th most armed country in the world , there are 1.74 million illegal forearms in Austria , I wonder who has them ?

If you want a lot more guns we are going to need a lot less dopes around the place

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123500772#Comment_123500772

Can I ask what your knowledge of firearms is based on? Do you have a license? Current or former member of the army, gardai or "well regulated militia"? Do you think .177 HMR is suitable round for fox hunting? What range do you think a shot gun is viable for? Or do you think all guns are bad and should be restricted only to agents of the state? Is any of your knowledge based on experience either handling or firing or doing paperwork to retain a firearm? No trick questions, just trying ascertain what exactly your experience is based on.

"An armed society is a polite society" is not based on hunting, it is based on history. When firearms are restricted, seized, or collected, there is usually a population cull. Like Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao ZeDong all had guns turned in before they culled the population (they dont teach us that in school). The very people encouraging you to turn in firearms are all under 24hr armed body guards.

Foxes are not defenceless. Foxes have speed, low profile, evasion skills like knowing a hunter will not fire into a hedge row or in a built up area, traversing water and leading in circles. The ones that get caught are usually old or sick.

walshb

human beings in the 21st century using dogs and horses to chase, terrorise and kill foxes are sadistic scum.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498476#Comment_123498476

Things happen like the hunts animals kill family pets and trespass across people's land. There are numerous complaints.

Not everyone would be bought over by a ham and a bottle. Some people have integrity..

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123500879#Comment_123500879

I am not the one in conflict with my neighbours. We get on fine with our neighbours because we have agreements and understandings. No it is not perfect but it enables us to get along. I am not sure what people are like where you are living if you "claim" to pull a gun on a neighbour and shoot his horse (not indicated if mounted) then that is a bit of problem. I am calling BS on that story because nobody I know would willingly risk their license, end up getting sued and end up in court. Were you actually there when it happened?

I do think Ireland has become a much colder place. When I lived at home I could tell you everyone who lived in every house for 5 miles around. When I lived in the city I didnt know anyone who lived on my street other than to say "hi" to them. We see neighbours and farmers killing each other (I cannot recall names but west Cork (father and son killed the other son), Carlow (two neighbours) and Kerry(Michael Gaines)) have seen horrific murders over disputes.

If you wish to come and use your scramblers, we can come to some arrangement. There is always a middle ground I will meet people on. It is going to cost you, probably a lot as I have seen the damage they do on my wifes former housing estate. Obviously if I have prior warning and fields cleared and shure what is a spool of galvanised wire and a handful of stakes between friends. If my uncle has no problem with a hamper and 2 bottles of whiskey a year, how much damage does that tell you the local hunt did on his farm?

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501251#Comment_123501251

Firstly never had an animal or pet killed by the hunt because we reached an accommodation before hand. That is a communication problem with you and your local hunt. The Hunt cannot trespass when they have been given permission and told us exactly what day it is. This allows us to secure the animal close to the yard and house. The Hunt avoids the yard and house.

Your problem is not with the hunt but the personalities. Hunts would be run out of the country years ago by local people if that carry on was going on. As it doesnt affect my family farm or family, I am not in a position to object. I would guess the majority of people who are objecting are more than 3 generations removed from a farm.

I will try to think about that integrity while eating over the Christmas period, Uncles often gives me the food that is too rich like the plum pudding. In all fairness to the hunt committee they do pack many excellent products into the hamper.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501156#Comment_123501156

As I recall, the ASU could have applied a little common sense, waited for him to calm down, waited for him to go down to the shops and remove the gun with the cooperation of his sister. Schizophrenics tend to have both high high and low low periods, even I know that. Nah, they wanted a result on the day. Paul Reynolds also got reprimanded for that as well. Of course the FBI peer review white washed it all. Cops, one hand washes the other.

You will find some key demographics in the States with gun crime. The most high areas for gun crime are the most highly regulated gun areas and they aint the Hillbillies and Rednecks in the Appalachian mountains . Yeah you know where and who I am talking about.

I have no idea who has these 1.74 million firearms or what that number is based on. They maybe sunk in grease in case the Russian attack and over run Europe. They maybe unaccounted for since world war 2. They could be unaccounted for and rusting in someones cellar. Austria has never come across to me as somewhere that a criminal blackspot. I cannot comment on that, but I do know that Austria has a massive police reserve so some of those must be in police ownership?

HazeDoll

A bit a macho hero fantasy whiff off this thread now.

Somebody has been reading too much Tom Clancy or Lee Child or something.

Some posters dream of walking away from explosions without looking back, it seems. Longing for an opportunity to show everybody how dangerous they are.

billyhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501321#Comment_123501321

Just a minor correction, the Abbeylara incident involved the ERU and not ASU.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501321#Comment_123501321

aw right i see what happened here, you havnt a f^%ing clue .

ERU not ASU

went on for 25 hours firing shots at them should they have waited a week ?, when he did "head down the shops" he brought the shotgun with him

a man with massive mental health problems refusing to medicate , armed with a live firearm

bi polar and depression , not Schizophrenia.

your suggesting they wanted a result ? that they wanted to kill him ? why ? please elaborate

Gun law in Austria - Wikipedia

google is your friend , stop embarrassing yourself and dragging the thread off topic ,

i surely hope your not a firearms holder for all our sakes

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501343#Comment_123501343

I had to look it up the reference to Earl Turner, the performer and singer. I think MikeTheCop was trying referencing the Turner diaries written by William Luthor Pierce. If you reference please try to make it coherent.

HazeDoll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501425#Comment_123501425

I've read that a few times but I have no idea what you're trying to say. I didn't mention Turner.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501402#Comment_123501402

Arent the ASU the regional version of the ERU? They perform the same function? Its a name change, same function in the same organisation. Coco puffs /Choco krispies. Oh yeah I am well aware of people with serious mental health problems refusing to medicate. I am doing it from memory. well they didnt want to tickle him that is for sure.

No not a current firearms holder, but do plan to be in the future.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123501443#Comment_123501443

MikeTheCop was trying to suggest I was after reading "The turner diaries" one time too often.