Kneecap - New Footage *Read OP for Mod Warning*

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486163#Comment_123486163

Same in the London Evening Standard, Telegraph and other Tory papers. Oh the irony of them all lauding the Belfast lads.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/concerts/kneecap-wide-awake-festival-brockwell-park-review/

blanch152

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/sam-mcbride-kneecap-are-not-above-the-law-even-if-they-are-from-belfast/a120854697.html

This article really gets to the heart of the stupidity of Kneecap.

"As the writer Malachi O’Doherty has observed, Kneecap want to laugh off some of what they do as irrelevant, saying words or gestures lose their natural meanings when coming from them. Yet, at the same time, they want us to believe that when they talk about the Middle East they are sincerely earnest young men who care deeply about Gaza. Even there, they want us to then believe that their expressed support for Hezbollah isn’t what it seems — saying “Up Hezbollah” apparently means “Down Hezbollah” or “Indifferent to Hezbollah” or anything other than the plain meaning of those words."

"But there’s nothing provocative about shouting something you think to be edgy and then immediately denying you meant what you said after realising there may be consequences for such edginess.

If they back terrorism, they should say so honestly. That’s what others do, aware that the consequences involve stigmatisation, loss of earnings and possibly jail time. If they don’t back terrorism (and that’s what they say), then they should realise it’s not something to be joked about and that using it to provoke publicity as a marketing device is beyond demeaning to the cause they purport to cherish."

This part could probably apply to some of the posters on here:

"There has been unqualified gushing over Kneecap from some people who have suspended their critical faculties simply because they agree with their opposition to Israel."

I did laugh when the end of the article described what they do as "artistic vacuousness of the most puerile form."

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486229#Comment_123486229

Ya reckon they'd be lauded in the Indo if they endorsed Fianna Fáil?

Shocking also that a Belfast Loyalist journalist ain't that keen on them. 😁

Seathrun66

Spot on Una, the entire rationale for this thread. Hopefully the dwindling number of apologists for ethnic cleansing and genocide will pay attention.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/05/26/why-are-kneecap-facing-consequences-when-israel-is-not-this-kind-of-hypocrisy-drives-people-stone-mad/

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486229#Comment_123486229

I’m amazed at amount people taken in by these absolute spoofers, pretending they give two fooks about the plight of people 1000s a miles away.

And the best some here can come up with to those who know these lads are spoofers is “you support genicide.”😖

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486259#Comment_123486259

Do you condemn the killing by Israel of more than 32,000 children?

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486269#Comment_123486269

Yes

What has this to do with my post?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486259#Comment_123486259

Your first line ??? I've seen that loads of times on here on different threads. Of course people are angered by what they are seeing on their tv sets. Bombing defenceless people in tents, murdering Aid Workers, doctors, press. Bombing schools, hospitals and homes will do that to people.

I'd suggest that people who are not effected lack any kind of empathy and are actually dangerous.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486295#Comment_123486295

Yes, kneecap, who actively called for people to murder are so caring and empathetic about human life in Palestine….gotcha

Simple: Kneecap see Israel as Great Britain and see Gaza as the 6 counties. This is pretty much the scope of their angle and narrative. Pretty much all they actually can think of related to this conflict.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486309#Comment_123486309

Correct, that is as far as their limited thinking goes. They don't appear to have the intellectual capacity to go any deeper into the subject, as their "apology" appears to indicate.

Their thinking on the issue is both simple and simplistic.

gormdubhgorm

Good opinion piece here (Written by Sean McBride) which implies that the culture of no real consequence for similar statements, murals, paramilitary flags etc in Belfast/NI (on both sides) has encouraged Kneecaps recklessness.

https://archive.is/RZaDt

It also comments on the obvious contradictions in Kneecaps statements. Where on the one hand they want to be taken seriously re Gaza. But on the other hand they imply that they were not serious about calling for the death of Tory MP’s, and shouting support for terrorist organisations etc.

“Kneecap want to laugh off some of what they do as irrelevant, saying words or gestures lose their natural meanings when coming from them. Yet, at the same time, they want us to believe that when they talk about the Middle East they are sincerely earnest young men who care deeply about Gaza. Even there, they want us to then believe that their expressed support for Hezbollah isn’t what it seems — saying “Up Hezbollah” apparently means “Down Hezbollah” or “Indifferent to Hezbollah” or anything other than the plain meaning of those words.”

“If they back terrorism, they should say so honestly. That’s what others do, aware that the consequences involve stigmatisation, loss of earnings and possibly jail time. If they don’t back terrorism (and that’s what they say), then they should realise it’s not something to be joked about and that using it to provoke publicity as a marketing device is beyond demeaning to the cause they purport to cherish.”

Edit - I knew it wasn't Sean McBride. But Sam McBride leaving in the typo to see the reaction/how quickly it would be spotted. Worked like a charm.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486295#Comment_123486295

This empathy angle that you constantly bring up…and try to label folks as mean and dangerous…

Me, for example: I see the madness and destruction and death in Gaza and I am empathetic and think how awful a situation it is for people. How sad that humans are at this violence and death. I think of it, but it in no way consumes me here in Ireland. I don't toss and turn at night thinking and worrying about it.

I don't suffer with guilt or anxiety thinking about it. And I'd argue the same for pretty much all Irish people. So, is this empathetic enough for you?

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486275#Comment_123486275

Those are the children 4,000km away that are being murdered every day and instead you criticise a rap trio. Kneecap have been supporting the Gazans for 8 years.

In terms of spoofery when's the last time you gave tens of thousands to Medecins Sans Frontieres or £7,000 to a youth project on the Shankill Road?

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486329#Comment_123486329

Sean McBride was a Republican activist, politician, peacemaker and co-founder of Amnesty International. He won the Lenin Prize for Peace and is the only person to have twice won the Nobel Prize for Peace. His mother was Maud Gonne and his father Major John McBride was executed after the Easter Rising.

He'd be with Kneecap rather than the reactionary hack from the Belfast Telegraph.

SAM McBride, the BT journo whose article you linked in above, is a Protestant Loyalist from Belfast. Quite surprisingly he doesn't like Kneecap. He's also fighting a losing battle, as are the anti-Kneecap pro-genocide commentators.

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486204#Comment_123486204

Absolutely delusional 🤣.

Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486478#Comment_123486478

Point out an incorrect fact. Pretty please.

Btw take out the 'don't knows' and the support for reunification in the North is 41% and 79% in the Republic. Growing in the North at a rate higher than 4% a year. That should cheer ya up. and the Kneecap ladeens. 😁😁

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486482#Comment_123486482

You're all over the shop,yesterday you said border poll within 5 years,now it's the 2030s and if that doesn't work out it could be a decade later which could bring us to 2049,keep guessing.🤣

At least you are beginning to see that reunification is decades away even if took a while for the penny to drop

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486432#Comment_123486432

I realise that was a typo re the name I decided to leave it in on purpose to test reactions, draw out certain posters to ascertain their backgrounds.

It worked even better and quicker than anticipated. Surprisingly easy to draw out. Accurate on Sean McBride's history. But obfuscation when it comes to the actions of Kneecap.

But why are you so quick to jump on that typo, rather than look at the argument as a whole in the piece? It even mentioned Loyalist paramilitary flags.

Can you not take the argument for what it is? I think it is was a very well balanced piece? I get the impression you are one of these lads.

Scottish Celtic football jersey - check

Palestine flag - check

Ironic? - balaclavas - check

If that is who I am talking to, to it is not going to be reasoned coherent argument on the facts at issue. Merely political soapboxing and obfuscation. The exact tactics Kneecap are doing themselves.

The picture above from another article made me laugh, as the only thing actually Irish in the picture is maybe the balaclava? Even that could be made in China?

I get the impression you seem to be unable to remove yourself from the culture you have brought into. Which is the exact point Sam McBride made in the piece I referenced.

And all objective analysis has gone out the window for you. "Seas le Kneecap" is above everything else it seems.

Ironically it is not lost on me the tactics Kneecap are using is straight from the Donald Trump play book, re Capitol Hill 2021.

1. Play the victim
2. Call for large and vocal (easily manipulated/impressionable) support to prove they are in the right.

I believe at their last concert Kneecap called for their supporters to appear outside the courts, and the said the numbers (at the concert) are "A Fenian crowd" as Kneecap called the concert goers to prove how right they are etc etc.

Kneecap calls to supporters a few days ago-

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/kneecap-urge-fans-to-gather-outside-westminster-courthouse-with-big-bag-of-ket-as-trio-perform-at-wide-awake-festival/ar-AA1Fnafv

Donald Trump calls to supporters before Jan 6th 2021-

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/13/1111341161/how-trumps-will-be-wild-tweet-drew-rioters-to-the-capitol-on-jan-6

Donald Trump is a fella who likes to talk up his crowds as well. And get his crowd to chant slogans. Those parallels are definitely there. Both support groups do not seem to particular discerning faculties, and lap up everything their messiah's say.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486482#Comment_123486482

I thought you said you would not be making any more comments on the imminent poll ?

Take religion out of it for a second.

In the 2021 NI census the biggest change form 2011 were the % of people who identified as "Irish Only"

It was up from 25.3% to 29.1%.

British only went down 8%, British and Northern Irish went up 1.8%, Irish and Northern Irish went up 0.7%, and Northern Irish Only went down 1.1%,

So the writing is on the wall, the Irish Only is growing the fastest, and the British Only is in free fall.

British Only is now less than 3% higher than Irish Only.

That's probably wiped out by now, let alone by 2031.

So there will be a border poll, but it won't happen before the results of the 2031 census are known.

That census will likely confirm that Irish Only identity is still rising, but only when the British government are satisfied that that Irish Only identity will be strong enough to carry a decisive majority in a referendum will they call a border poll.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486611#Comment_123486611

The key trend in the data is the rise in numbers identifying as Northern Irish, whether in part, or in full.

It is becoming clearer to anyone who puts a little thought into the future, that federal or confederal solutions that recognise the existence of Northern Ireland in its current form offer the only possibility of a united Ireland this century.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486336#Comment_123486336

Many people I speak to do toss and turn at night. You can't talk for every Irish person. Maybe they are effected more than you. The fact that it happening on the other side of the world makes little difference. Distance has nothing to do with Genocide. It is brought to us daily in all forms of media. It is not like in 1940's Germany when mush of the horror only came to light late on. We can see this now. live.

If your posts are anything to go by then your empathy is very selective.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486736#Comment_123486736

Empathy generally is selective.

I don't see you posting every day on the horrors in Sudan or Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-59035053

Some people are guided purely by what they see every day in the media without questioning and without considering other things that are happening in the world, but that don't have the same publicity.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486736#Comment_123486736

I don’t believe you, unless these friends are Palestinians/Jewish

And distance has everything to do with human reaction, feeling, emotions, connections about wotld events and issues. The closer people are to trauma and pain and hardship, it stands to reason these people will be more involved emotionally

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486919#Comment_123486919

As I said it's in our livingrooms every day in colour. Playing it down might ease your pain and help you accept the unacceptable. Stop deflecting with the whataboutery stuff.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486853#Comment_123486853

Ah Whataboutery again Blanch. Your go to.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486977#Comment_123486977

Sorry Walsh, that last sentence was for Blanch.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486977#Comment_123486977

Yes, it's in living rooms everywhere and vast vast majority Irish people, like me, look at it and are shocked at the conditions and hardship; and then they get on with their lives here. It's nothin to be ashamed of, surprised by, disheartened by…..it's human behavior and human nature. You're coming across too sanctimonious in trying to guilt-trip and shame people because they aren't as "upset" as you think they should be.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123487040#Comment_123487040

You can't say '' vast majority '' unless you've taken a poll which you haven't. So just a play down again. Not trying to guilt-trip anyone. You either have that or you don't. Odd that you gave me the impression you were backing Israel in everything.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123487124#Comment_123487124

Give over, polls?

Of all the people I know and converse with I can't think of any who are lying awake at night shocked and worried. And that doesn't make them anything other than human.

I don't back Israel in everything. I have said several times that their response has been way OTT in reaction to October 7.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123487040#Comment_123487040

Yup. Thats it for 95% of people the ones that are going mad for it now used to be in hysterics over Ukraine right before this started and since it started they have immediately forgot Ukraine exists.