Dodgy number plates

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532618#Comment_123532618

Incorrect. Smaller font, closer spacing and less contrast with the background all add up to make them less legible.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532787#Comment_123532787

To whom? The only plates that are difficult to read are those with the dark grey background. The rest are just styles that people seem to like. Don’t understand it personally but there’s no harm in it. Plenty bigger fish to be hot and bothered over

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532963#Comment_123532963

To my dashcam, especially in low light situations. No problem with the German style plates, they are big and clear. My problem is with all the plates that are intentionally harder to read. Not just the grey background, but also the ones with smaller font. There's a reason that the optician's chart font gets smaller the further you go down. One of the reasons I've a dashcam is in case someone hits me while I'm parked. It's a basic dashcam but ok with normal number plates. I don't want to have to spend money on a new dashcam because someone can't follow a simple rule.

sk8board

the plates don’t bother me, they’re just really ‘trying too hard’ - but if I’m buying your car, I only want the original plates put back on beforehand.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532618#Comment_123532618

Perfectly legible, eh?

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532963#Comment_123532963

Have you bought your NCT ready plates yet?

I asked a guy in the local village how did his NCT go and he almost had a heart attack. He had the plates that you have to buy on for a few days, and I was so used to seeing the illegal italicised one he normally races around in.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533404#Comment_123533404

Yea, yea I see thousands on the road every day. I’d be far more concerned with kicking the tyres

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533462#Comment_123533462

Presumably you’re referencing a previous post where I mentioned my new used car had non conforming but legible plates? Previous owner had regulation plates in the boot so yea I will swap them over come NCT time so as not to give an excuse to be failed on a dangerous defect🤣

Will I swap them out after🤔 Possibly as the original has a yellow stain on one side, doesn’t affect the font in any way, but looks a bit off

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533404#Comment_123533404

You're on record as saying you admire people who are willing to risk a conviction by breaking the law. What's changed? Why don't you admire this person?

Is it only certain law-breaking you admire? Or is it, as everyone else suspects, your usual, contradictory, hypocritical, anti-car BS coming to the fore again?

I know which one my money is on.

To those claiming that illegibility is the issue, what is the problem with the German font plates, then?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123534458#Comment_123534458

Well, I'd have thought it was fairly obvious, but I don't admire this person because their reg plate isn't legible, and reg plates have an important function in holding drivers responsible for their driving.

I'm not anti-car btw. I have a car. I drive a car. I'm anti cars with illegible reg plates.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123534545#Comment_123534545

But you have zero issue with, and in fact admire, those who let the air out of tires, even though they have an, arguably, more important function with regards to responsible driving?

No, it's not fairly obvious at all. Your two stances are in direct opposition to one another.

Person A: performs an illegal act and you think they should be admired for risking conviction

Person B: performs another illegal act and you think the opposite

You can see why others would flag this as hypocritical, yes?

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123521488#Comment_123521488

Why the need to pick a date in the future for something that is already non conforming to legislation ?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123534700#Comment_123534700

The Tyre Extinguishers were well discussed on that other thread. I'm happy to go back and continue the discussion on that thread, rather than going off topic here.

The difference in the two scenarios is fairly obvious in terms of the impacts of the actions taken.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123534763#Comment_123534763

No, it's not fairly obvious, which is why you've been asked numerous times. Why not spell it out, instead of pretending it's obvious and ignoring multiple requests to explain yourself?

Note, now, that you've also changed the goalposts. You originally claimed you'd have to admire someone risking a conviction by doing something illegal. You never said you admired them because of the impact of their illegal acts, you simply said you admired them for the act itself and the risks involved. Now you're adding a proviso, because you've been caught in a contradiction, and, instead of holding your hands up and admitting you were just acting the maggot to wind people up, you're doubling down and trying to redefine your original position. A point blank refusal to accept that you're speaking out of both sides of your mouth, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

This is, completely and totally, intellectually dishonest. It's also spineless.

Why should anyone take what you have to say seriously if you're going to go back and put an asterisk beside it in the future?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123534734#Comment_123534734

Perhaps consider it as a form of amnesty ?

NIMAN

EExactly, I think that's how amnesties work?

Then they can't have any complaints, they will have been given time to either get the existing plates back on, or new legal ones made if they haven't got any.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123534828#Comment_123534828

I did spell it out.

Well, I'd have thought it was fairly obvious, but I don't admire this person because their reg plate isn't legible, and reg plates have an important function in holding drivers responsible for their driving.

You clearly don't like the response, but that doesn't change the response. I do humbly apologise that my response on a different matter from several years back didn't predict that we'd be having this discussion on a different matter several years in future.

Can we take it that you NEVER break any traffic laws, btw? Never drift over the speed limit by a kmh or two? Because if you do, it would just be a tad hypocritical for you to be ranting here about respect for the law while routinely choosing to break the law yourself.

If you believe that any of my posts are 'winding people up', feel free to report them.

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123535160#Comment_123535160

Not sure how anyone could have a complaint when the legislation is in place since 1992

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123536443#Comment_123536443

They would have grounds for complaint because they have been allowed to drive around for years now with no enforcement for having "dodgy plates".

But give them a deadline now to get them changed back, and I can guarantee that we will soon be back to everyone having normal plates on their cars, if they think that a guard pulling them over and hitting them with €80 fine or 2 pts on their licence (or whatever) is likely.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123536443#Comment_123536443

Worth noting that many of the most enthusiastic dodgy plates users were not even born in 1992 never mind had a driving licence.

They were allowed to slip into the culture of dodgy plates by an almost total lack of enforcement.

By giving an amnesty you stand a good chance that many will mend their ways and enforcement can mop up the rest.

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123536748#Comment_123536748

Yet they change them for the NCT so they are fully aware of the non compliance.

I would take the opposite view, if they just enforced it people would be less inclined to take the wee wee with other areas for fear that it may be enforced at some point.

Giving amnesty's just gives the green light to ignore laws & sets a precedent for people having to be given notice before existing largely unenforced legislation is actually enforced.

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123535196#Comment_123535196

You clearly don't like the response, but that doesn't change the response.

Because it's not a response. Not really. I asked you to explain the contradiction in your two statements and you're trying to claim, with a straight face, that there is no contradiction .

I do humbly apologise that my response on a different matter from several years back didn't predict that we'd be having this discussion on a different matter several years in future.

Reductio ad absurdum. That's not what the issue is. You know that though. You're deflecting away from the real issue by pretending I'm ranting about something else.

Can we take it that you NEVER break any traffic laws, btw? Never drift over the speed limit by a kmh or two? Because if you do, it would just be a tad hypocritical for you to be ranting here about respect for the law while routinely choosing to break the law yourself.

More deflection. Again, I'm neither ranting nor am I speaking about respect for the law. We're talking about you commending one person for breaking the law while chastising others for………*checks notes*……………breaking the law. It's a bit rich to be getting all uppity about one while actively cheering the other one on. Your juvenile attempts to claim one is 'worse' than the other are falling flat, I'm afraid. In the heel of the hunt, they're both fundamentally identical…..both minor examples of law breaking.

Here's my take, for the avoidance of doubt. Actively walking around interfering with other peoples' property, costing them time, money and undue hassle because you're some sort of self-appointed arbiter of what is/is not acceptable is many, many times worse for everyone (especially society) than having a licence plate that is slightly more difficult to see from the side. Anyone deliberately interfering with others' lives and property is a scumbag and deserves whatever hiding they inevitably end up on the business end of. Vigilantism is a very slippery slope, be careful who you cheer for.

If you believe that any of my posts are 'winding people up', feel free to report them.

The pertinent point, as if you're unaware, is that it is only obvious now that you were on the wind up. Your previous post admiring these scumbags could be plausibly interpreted any number of ways. It's only obvious afterwards that you don't give a single shimmering shiny fcuk about lawbreakers, you were just looking for a reaction but left it open enough that you could weasel out of it.

Like I said, spineless carry on.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123536834#Comment_123536834

I understand your objection to amnesties in general but this is an unusual case.

Short of going to the trouble and expense of mounting multiple multi agency checkpoints all over the country the current law is unenforceable.

We need to change to enforcement by AGS and traffic wardens.

It's not that big a stretch to allow a transition period prior to introduction of the new regime.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123537272#Comment_123537272

You don't need them all over the country. You announce widely that from a certain date, the law about registration plates will be enforced. You set up a few multi agency checkpoints and everyone who is caught gets fined €5000. The results of the court cases are publicized. Lads will think twice abut keeping their non-compliant plates on.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123537300#Comment_123537300

You are depending on judges playing ball and imposing the current quite Draconian penalties on first time offenders.

There may be objections to using the legal system to make examples of a few to bring the rest into line on such a minor issue.

5k is a very hefty penalty to land on a young lad for dodgy digits when compared to fines for other more serious crimes.

Even if it was done when all the fuss dies down,which inevitably it will, the dodgy plates may reappear.

In 5 or 10 years we could be back where we started.

IMO what's needed is a universally applied law that makes sense and is easily enforced.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123537300#Comment_123537300

€5000🤣🤣🤣🤣

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123537480#Comment_123537480

I still maintain my position that for this most egregious crime cars should be immediately impounded and crushed with drivers strapped into seat😄

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123536972#Comment_123536972

You literally got the answer to your question. You don't like the answer, so you're now trying to badger me into some other answer, but that's the answer.

The issue is indeed that you're now complaining that I didn't expand on my note of approval in the earlier post about disabling SUVs to explain that my approval was because they were disabling SUVs. Yet again, it would seem fairly obvious that my note of approval was because of what they were doing, rather than relating to some fine legal analysis. Likewise, it would seem fairly obvious that my disapproval of illegal reg plates is because of what drivers do with illegal reg plates rather than any aesthetic issue.

But regardless, your complaint now that I've taken a different view of two different legal violations is just silly. You might think it's some amazing gotcha to let you open up your long held grudge about a years-old discussion that is just a vague memory, but it's not really. It's hilarious though to see you having a go at me appointing myself as self-appointed arbiter in the same paragraph where you appoint yourself as a self-appointed arbiter. Nice work.

magicbastarder

holy hell, people are actively provoking AJR to go off topic? damned if you do…

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123538595#Comment_123538595

On the contrary my good fella, AJR never waivers off topic, irrespective of the topic