Metrolink - Alternative Routes - See post one for restrictions.

Kermit.de.frog

I find the whole discussion about changes to what's planned with the metro very quaint. If there were to be any changes to the metro at this point then you can be looking at least 2045 for delivery and that's assuming the bottom doesn't fall out of the economy in the meantime.

Just get on with it.

I notice the programme director has been very straight forward in interviews about the reputational damage to Ireland due to delays, cancellations of this project in terms of him trying to sell the project to international construction firms.

It's just mind boggling how unserious a country this is when it comes to this stuff.

If anyone wants to send this back through our planning and legal circus again to get some changes the whole thing is dead.

spillit67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123528281#Comment_123528281

I asked you what the potential development was and you pointed to that poster mentioning Greenhills.

Again we don’t have updated information but your analysis lacks depth. Demand drivers goes a lot deeper than population.

And whilst Tallaght has a big population, the one you quote is from the greater Tallaght area. If you compare to Sandyford you might say it has 10x the population but when compared on a like for like basis it is actually 2x. And to add Sandyford is seeing mountains of apartments getting built along with a workforce growing from 28k daily to 50k from 2022 to 2028 alone (the whole wider Tallaght region has 17k). And that’s before you consider Carrickmines, Cherrywood and the development all the way down towards Bray west and east of the N11. The actual growth in housing units from Sandyford to that area will deliver in the next 2-3 what Tallaght is expected to add in the next 20 years.

And in between the development potential doesn’t seem to be there, or at least looking at the SHD maps. Yes some infill and no doubt a Metro would drive a lot of that, but most of the good brownfield sites are further west (a lot covered by City Edge).

And the point on Sandyford is that you either do it by a relatively cheap upgrade of the Green Line or another Luas line by the N11. The SW proposals I always see have round the houses routes and / or spurs which would cost a bomb. The issue to me always comes back to a combination of value for money and people pleasing, the reality is that with any Metro line that you are concentrating resources on something that pulls it from the rest of a geography. Clearly that is worth it a lot of the time, but is it really to get to Rathfarnham?

I will say that I would’t have an issue with going slightly south west with Metrolink past Rathmines or Rathgar if that is the general direction called for. I’d have fed in Bus Connects and then Luas lines to it, including orbital ones. I also stand by wishing we had a Grand Canal line that could provide utility to the whole southside, moving them East to West quickly.

Brightlights66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529740#Comment_123529740

Well I will certainly try, over the coming days, to add the 2021 census figures to my spreadsheet. I obviously have them somewhere, because they showed a big increase in the population around Drumcondra, which has now an almost 50% higher population than the area around Glasnevin Junction, through which the authorities are proposing to build the metrolink.

It'd be really good if we could get a workplace map of Dublin, and I can't yet find one. I'd be surprised if one doesn't exist.

Consonata

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529790#Comment_123529790

You don't build brand new infrastructure through bedded in communities, especially when you are in the midst of a housing crisis. You build it to encourage growth, as much of it as possible. There is no potential residential development in Drumcondra whatsoever.

This is a point that you miss time and time again to facilitate you're own hobby projects which have been examined and rejected, examined and rejected again by the NTA.