Inter-Provincial Series showcasing new rules

quodec

Watched some of the action from last night and tonight. A lot of enjoyable passages of play but as a GAA layperson it smacks of too much all at once. In fact visually it looks like a brand new field game!

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122738674#Comment_122738674

Yeah 4 points for a normal goal, 2 points from outside the arc including frees. There was four quarters in the games but this was not part of the proposed rule changes.

Here is a list of all the proposed rule changes here along with examples -

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/1009/1474500-running-the-rule-proposed-changes-to-gaelic-football/

manofwisdom

The best of the four matches saved to the last match with exciting finish with a late Ulster goal and two pointer for Connacht to level it up would prefer extra time instead of going to penalties in what had to be the worst shootout ever, even if it was good I'd never warm to a shootout to decide a GAA Match and I couldn't believe my ears when RTE panel afterwards was calling for Four Quarters to be retained.

Jury is very much out on new rules until we have matches that matter but it looks like 2025 season will be used a trial run regardless.

WesternZulu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122738679#Comment_122738679

If you parachuted someone from 20/30 years ago and made them watch last year’s championship they too would think it looks like a brand new field sport.

I am encouraged by the rules.

However, as someone mentioned earlier one of the most fundamental flaws of football is that it’s far too easy to hold onto the ball.

The only worry I would have is that it could be even easier for a team in the lead to play keep ball and run down the clock. This is probably a price worth paying though for keeping the 3v3 rule which is the most impactful one that’s being put forward.

I wonder is a rule like Olympic handball warranted where the ref can give a free against a team for pissing around with the ball with no intention of actually doing anything with it?

MacDanger

Yeah, the 4 quarters are not a runner for me anyway

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122738715#Comment_122738715

Yeah , would completely disrupt any flow in a game .

Brian017

Is the countdown clock a part of the rule changes? Timekeeping in football and hurling is atrocious at times.

C4000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122738648#Comment_122738648

There are currently 50 individual motions on the new rules to be voted on at Congress, if they are all ratified at Central council next week.

They will be making the case that the changes are interdependent, but each one will be up for a separate vote.

C4000

Quarters were just for these trial games and won't be voted on.

C4000

If you have a man sent off, you no longer have to leave 3 up/ 3 back, you can always have 11 in attack and defence.

Stacksofwacks

Kicks from outside the arc are rare and takes an incredible kick should be worth 3 points..then a goal should be worth 5 then we're into rugby territory..look just leave it one point for over the bar and 3 for a goal, maybe keep the 3 up and tap and go then leave it that, tell the keeper to stay in his square and we're fine, no point throwing out the baby with the bathwater with all this ridiculousness.

Widdensushi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739073#Comment_122739073

Not at all,,, blanket defence is becoming the norm,, the sport is dieing for spectators,, major change is needed now, not later when the crowd is lost.

HBC08

Was very entertaining overall.

The 3 up,3 back definitely works and was referenced positively almost across the board.

I'd get rid of the 50m brought forward,maybe make it 20m.

Wasn't a big deal for me but a lot of players/managers were against the 40m arc for kickouts.Canavan made the point well that the short kickout option could be kept as it can't be played back to goalie anyway.

I'm not sure of the 4 points for a goal,I thought Aiden Forker spoke very well after the game.

I like the captain is the only person allowed speak to ref and the ref micced up was also a good thing .

No way a 45 should be a possible 2 pointer, need to get rid of that.

Overall very positive and I think we should be adopting a lot of the new rules.

happyoutscan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739073#Comment_122739073

Football is dead.

Doing nothing would be ridiculous.

pgj2015

Forget about hearing what the ref is saying, and the whistle would be very annoying to hear that the whole time.

Bleating Lamb

Definitely a lot of needed and positive changes made,the only ones I would not like to see adopted at Congress are the 2 pts for a 45,the 50m move for dissent may need to be changed to say a 20m penalty as it’s overly penal on the offending side and would cause ructions in ordinary club games (imagine if a 50m move resulted in a winning pt for a team in a tight club game),imo the keeper shouldn’t be allowed out past his 21……they are called keepers for a reason.

IMO the Committee missed a trick in not limiting the number of consecutive hand passes……say after 2 or 3 hand passes,the next pass has to be a kick pass.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739692#Comment_122739692

"say after 2 or 3 hand passes,the next pass has to be a kick pass."

Was tried in the past and it led to players just making meaningless kicks back of sideways.

Fr Tod Umptious

After hearing about these new rules during the summer I was enthusiastic about the 4 point arc.

I thought it might solve some of the problems with football.

But after watching the All Ireland final I changed my tune.

There were loads of long range scores at the All Ireland final.

But the problem was it took both teams ages to setup those long range scores.

The game is exciting when the ball moves fast and the scoring chances come fast regardless of where they are taken from, or their success rate.

Maybe some of the other rules will speed up the game, but the long range point taking is not the problem I don't think.

FullBack Jam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739692#Comment_122739692

Ya, I agree on the dissent thing. It's ok if you have a reasonable ref who can distinguish between proper dissent; but I've seen refs just get up on their high horse for a player saying something simple as "ah ref". And bringing the ball forward. It's a sport, so emotions are going to be running high. Players will express frustrations. If the dissent is persistent or insulting in any nature, then definitely yes. But you're right. It will cause a lot of arguments when you come across a ref who wants to show that they are the boss.

Just on the comments re the goalies. I don't understand the logic on here where some are saying that a goalie should have to stay beside the goal. That's what they did many years ago. But the game has evolved, with new ideas having been introduced to try to gain an advantage. There is nothing wrong with that. There was an age where half-backs would not be venturing up the park taking points, but that changed. Why are there no calls to restrict them? I find the idea of the goalies playing an outfield role at times to be intriguing and adds to the excitement, especially where they get caught out.

There was one comment above that Niall Morgan looked like Forrest Gump sprinting around. But what differentiates Niall Morgan running, from all of the other players running. Do they all look like Forest Gump.

The role of the goalie has evolved too. And they are being coached in that manner. It's one thing changing the rules a bit for the outfield players, but at the end of the day their playing style is still similar to what it had always been. If it is introduced that goalies have to stay beside their goal, then the GAA are effectively tearing up the coaching manual that management had for goalies, and saying that it doesn't apply any more. What about all the current goalies that are coached in this manner and have the skills to play similar to an outfield player. You can't just say to them - "tough luck, you can stay back there and not more out of a 5 x 5 yard area.

callaway92

Agreed on the fact that 2 points for a 45 is too much. A 45 can come from a poxy deflection or a borderline touch of a ball after a scramble. 2 point dead-ball concession is far too much punishment.

sligeach

I thought the games were entertaining. All these new rules, but the winners were decided by poor means. The penalties last night were shocking. What was it, 3 penalties scored out of 11? They were so poorly taken for the most part, barring the penultimate penalty save from the Connacht keeper, which then hit both posts and stayed out. That was a good penalty and save.

Maybe they should come up with a better way to decide the outcome of matches.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739692#Comment_122739692

They tried the handpassing being limited years ago (2019) it did not work, refs found it impossible to keep track of.

Managers and players did not like it either:

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/hand-pass-rule-scrapped-gaa-15702512

It was only narrowly defeated at Congress though.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739882#Comment_122739882

Yes you can say to them "tough luck you can stay back there" they can bring in any rule they want. if certain rules are intended to make the game more enjoyable to watch then that is what they must do. Football is in a really bad state, people are staying away and eventually you would have lots of matches in half empty stadiums because people wont pay good money to be bored to sleep.

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739692#Comment_122739692

I think 50metres is drastic enough but maybe if it can reduce some of the crap refs receive than it can be reduced in time. And if a player in a big club game did give dissent and penalised you should be criticising the players. Not the rules. Something has to change with the chat/talk/abuse refs get. If a team did lose a key game because of player action like that them good. It might help start a culture change wrt backchat

tayto lover

The only part of the new rules I liked is having 3 back at all times. Otherwise it has gone full circle and become a basketball game with almost no contact. Thumbs down from me.

Raoul Duke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122742898#Comment_122742898

Full circle? When did the sport have no contact before?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743038#Comment_122743038

Well maybe I didn't word it correctly but it's gone from full contact to nearly no contact with these rules.

statto25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122743862#Comment_122743862

It'll take time for managers and coaches to work on strategies for the new rules and once they do, the element of physicality will appear. Any rule that promotes working on the very skill that defines the sport, kicking the football over players with big arms and shoulders who cannot string a foot pass together is a good change in my opinion.

FCTwenteBenson

Thoughts:

1. One v one throw in - no issue with it, though if 2 v 2 was refereed properly would be no need for it.
2. Kick outs - Having to go 40m I like it, lots of turnovers from kickouts over the weekend due to more contests. However, on commentary they were saying that a player could go in behind the keeper if he wished absolutely no need for that.
3. The keeper - Mixed. Not receiving a pass in his own half - good prevents slow build up and encourages opposition to press up. However, with the 3 up 3 back rule the 12 v 11 scenario was happening a lot and something needs to be done about it. Maybe if a keeper wishes to join the attack they can only receive a pass inside the opposition 45? Not sure but something needs to be done. Also for people saying if the likes of Morgan wants to come out the field he should just play midfield, keepers should stay in goals etc. Morgan is one of the exceptional few who can add to the attack while also being a fantastic goalkeeper. If lads are so afraid of a bit of innovation and change in the game go away and watch some GAA archive footage for yourselves.
4. 3 up 3 back - Good, much more space, way more 1 v 1s, hopefully will see the return of out and out man markers as opposed to the mass defense style we're sick of.
5. Solo and go - excellent addition
6. Advanced mark - get rid, can also be very punishing on defenders not being able to tackle for 4m after mark is granted e.g. say defender slips and forward catches ball uncontested, even if the defender has recovered to get back and stop his man he cannot tackle for 4m.
7. 40m scoring arc - mixed, can see pros and cons, the finish to the ulster v connacht game was a great advertisement for it in fairness. Probably should only be from play and frees, 45s should remain at 1 point.
8. 4 pts for a goal - If the 2 point score is there its probably needed in fairness.
9. 50m penalty for delaying game - I like it, but maybe just dropping the ball in place should be allowed as opposed to handing it back to the opposition.
10. Foam and stop clock - like both a lot, removes time wasting and stealing yards on frees with no fuss.

Promising enough start with these new rules albeit we wont really know until an actual competitive game, though I can see plenty of challenges with implementation of some as you go down through the levels.

pgj2015

The big problem with allowing the goalkeeper to play in the opposition half is he tends to stand still with the ball and it slows up the game which no one wants.