Inter-Provincial Series showcasing new rules

joebloggs32

The 50m rule is good. They have it AFL. You rarely see it used as the players know the punishment. I was at a game down under and it was used once in tge match, and the fans were angry with the player responsible for conceding it, not the ref!

It would bed in quickly and stop the practice of deliberately slowing down a quick free which is far too common. Every team that commits a free to stop a counter attack does it. 20 metres would not cut it out, but 50m thats a different prospect to consider.

pjohnson

tbf if the keeper wants to trot about 50m+ from his goal let him.

But why Connacht on a few turnovers refused to kick the ball with Morgan in no mans land was insane.

Even last year was it 3 or 4 goals Donegal (O'Baoill got 2 anyway) got while Odhran Lynch was tryna win kick outs and running around the halfway line and inside the Donegal half. He also was having a wander the year before when Comer scored into an open goal for Galway.

Let the keeper go walkies but the opposing teams need to be ready to counter and get the ball forward while the keeper gets to wonder if hes forgotten to do something hes supposed to.

Treble double

Burns made a brilliant decision in getting Gavin to head up the FRC. Gavin was meticulous in the role he took on as you would expect from him. Himself and his comittee, researched, surveyed and studied exhaustively and then trialed extensively before coming up with what they presented last weekend. Gavin is so impressive, there is a refreshing lack of ego and bullshit compared to a myriad of GAA talking heads out there and he is measured and clear in his media engagements. How successful the rule changes will be will be decided when they are used in matches with something at stake but last weekend for the first time in maybe 8 years I saw defenders having to defend one on one and there was some fine displays of it and it gladdened my heart.

tayto lover

The 2 points for a 45 is not a good idea either. It should only apply to kicks from the hand.

Island Voter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122739409#Comment_122739409

Thank god the powers that be in soccer didnt say that during the catenaccio period.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122746208#Comment_122746208

The difference being with 3 back there is less jeopardy in the keeper coming forward with cover in place. When he comes forward with 15 up the field is open

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749587#Comment_122749587

But theres also 3 forwards to aim the ball at. Its not like its 30 players crammed into one half and absolutely no outlet. You're going to have 3 targets to counter at while the keeper is just ambling about.

Thats why its stupider now than ever to have a fly keeper. Theres going to be at least 3 attackers nearer the goal than the actual goalkeeper is.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749659#Comment_122749659

Definatly agree to disagree. Winning a turn over with open space to run into versus winning a turnover to a 3v3 situation is a totally different scenario. Its not risk free, but caries far less risk than it would have in the past.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749679#Comment_122749679

Exactly what risk did it carry when the full forwards were standing on their own 45m line in front of the opposition keeper?

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749701#Comment_122749701

Empty space. There are now 3 defenders to cut out the empty space.

About the worst thing a team who turns over with the keeper up could do is launch it to the 3 marked forwards. What they should do is break at speed to draw a defender out and then have a man in space inside. There is always some one who can cover the goal though. What you are left with is a great opportunity but nothing like the opportunity you have with no one home. Look at Donlgals goals v Derry or Comers against Derry last year. They are not happening with 3 defenders back as some one can simply drop back in front of the goal and the opportunity that would present instead would not be as clear cut

legendary.xix

With county club championships mainly finished in October, could the inter provincial championships be played out in November if the players are in favour of it? (Naturally players playing provincial club championships wouldn't be available but there's no space avoid an overlap.)

On the rules themselves; 1v1 makes sense to avoid the early tussle, 3v3 has it's advantages as long as it can be officiated properly, the goalkeeper passing rule seems fine, solo & go should maintain attacking momentum and the advanced mark seems an improvement.

The change to the scoring system is debatable. Seems now that a goal will remain at 3 points. The 2 pointer is understandable for football. Trying to avoid teams defending too deep.

While I enjoy watching good fielding from a kick out, I'm not entirely on board with kicks having to go beyond the 40m arc. 13m seems a fair enough minimum distance.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749774#Comment_122749774

But how often are goalkeepers up the field getting caught out right now?

Very rearly.

The examples you gave were Derry, v Donegal they had the keeper up the field for Donegal kick outs.

That's not your typical keeper ambling up the field like Ethan Rafferty or Niall Morgan scenario.

I can't remember how they got caught out v Galway.

But in most cases if a keeper got disposed there was usually cover.

I can't recall many major calamity other than Derry v Donegal.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122748540#Comment_122748540

And Gavin himself then included the likes of Fitzmaurice and Horan.

Both guys who have managed in recent years and seen the game evolve.

Much better than bringing the likes of O'Rourke or Spillane in who would try and turn back time.

legendary.xix

Changes to the scoring system is a conundrum. It seems 4 points for a goal might not be palatable. 2 pointers then are over rewarding. Unless they can get agreement on something like 2-3-6, which is very unlikely, any current suggested changes will have an unbalanced scoring system.

One former player is suggesting 2 pointers will take over the game. No benefit in the risk of going for goal.

Would scoring 2 pointers be so easy though with defences pushing out? Would it not be a case of taking your 1 pointers, and 2 pointer or a goal will come?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122764630#Comment_122764630

The whole reason for the 2 pointer is they carry a heavy weight. If they are not worth much then defences won't push out making the entire endeavour useless.

If the time comes that they "take over the game" tactics will quickly adapt to stop it.

legendary.xix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122764861#Comment_122764861

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. Central council have agreed to the rule changes going forward to Congress. Goals are remaining at 3 points. 45s are remaining at 1 point. All other changes will be voted on at Congress.

Two points will be a key score for defences to shut out. If two pointers are being shut out, the attacking mark is there for a goal threat. The traditional goals and points could be the key scores for keeping the scoreboard ticking over.

MacDanger

The revised advanced mark is one I'd definitely bin, it nearly worse than the original version imo

legendary.xix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122765781#Comment_122765781

Why do you say that? The intention is to encourage goal scoring opportunities. Currently marks are being claimed instead of going for goal.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122765781#Comment_122765781

What exactly is the revision. I was struggling to figure that one out watching the games.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122765911#Comment_122765911

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/1008/1474340-proposed-football-rules-explained-advanced-mark/

Old Advanced Mark -

Rule 2.12 Mark (1) (ii)

When a player catches the ball cleanly on or inside a 45m line from a kick in play (i.e. not from set-play) delivered by an attacking player on or beyond the opposing team’s 45m line, that travels at least 20m and without it touching the ground.

New Amend Rule 2.12
"The referee shall award a mark in either of the following circumstances:

(i) When the player catches the ball cleanly from a kick-out, without it touching the ground, on or past the 45m line nearest the kick-out point"

or (ii) When a player catches the ball cleanly on or inside the 20m line from only a kick in play or from a kick-out mark (i.e. not from a free-kick, 45m free-kick or side-line kick) delivered by an attacking player on or beyond the opposing teams' 45m line. In this instance, the player may play on immediately until no advantage is accrued, where a free kick will be taken from the position."

Jim Gavin -

"What we're proposing is a new advanced mark, where the ball is kicked from outside the 45m line inside the 20m line, where it can be caught."

"[The advantage element] is to reward to risk of kicking a ball from the 45m line all the way into the 20m line. The player who catches the ball can take a free from that position or they can continue on and in most instances go for a goal."

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I still don't like it myself they should just scrap the thing. IMO.

legendary.xix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122766012#Comment_122766012

You could be right but the new attacking mark could also be a hit. Crowds will be expecting a goal opportunity any time a mark is claimed. There was a snippet of it in the Leinster v Connacht semi-final when a Leinster player failed to take a mark. There was a groan from the small crowd that the mark wasn't taken and the potential goal scoring opportunity wasn't seen.

poppers

4 points for a goal and 2 points for 45 dropped.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-central-council-drops-frcs-four-point-goal-and-two-point-45-proposals/a1304058488.html

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122765869#Comment_122765869

I think it's way too much of an advantage for simply catching the ball inside the 21 - getting a free shot at goal and then getting a free if you miss.

legendary.xix

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122766967#Comment_122766967

The FRC survey says people want to see more contests. In today's safety first approach, the updated attacking mark is seeking to reward the risk of a long pass from outside the 45 into the 20. The incentive is there to go for goal.