Inter-Provincial Series showcasing new rules

Robson99

Cant see the goalkeeper coming up to attack being allowed to continue...it basically creates an unfair advantage. If one team has a red card then you could end with 10 v 12

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735372#Comment_122735372

I agree, id say they will change it, but im not sure how they didnt change it already.

patob

Munster and Leinster not embracing the new rules, same slow lateral rubbish and afraid to shoot for 2 points.

By the way could they ban punched points too, far too common and a blight on the game.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735484#Comment_122735484

it seemed in the munster game that there was 30 players in 1 half, it was so crowded at times.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735032#Comment_122735032

It's a pity Fr Damo wasn't about.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735653#Comment_122735653

its just a bleedin whistle. 😊

Clare in Exile

Interesting to watch the two games. The two point rule did definitely lead to some great points being kicked. Also, the use of foam to mark the exact place where a free is to be kicked from is a brilliant idea, for far too long frees have been taken yards from where they should have been.

The four point rule for a goal is one I'm not sure about, but it's worth trialing anyway.

One rule which is going to be very tough to accurately police is three outfield players in each half at all times. Who will be the specific official tasked with keeping tabs on it? Linesmen? Umpires? Referees? Before his game tonight the referee for the second match said his concern was that while he was focusing on how many players were in a half he might miss something else going on up the pitch. At club level it will be next to impossible to keep a track of.

Worth trying the new rules anyway, but it's only in truly competitive league and championship matches that they can truly be judged...

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735347#Comment_122735347

I was thinking that myself, looked like a “to be sure, to be sure” idea.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735660#Comment_122735660

The lines men should keep tabs on the 3 players, not the ref.

mooz

I'd love to see fisting a point disallowed. Surely would lead to more goals chances

threeball

Hard to make out anything from these games. Complete lack of intensity, tracking and tackling. Lads willing to take on shots that they wouldn't even take on in the FBD league for fear of getting a bollocking.

Tap and go looked like a good innovation, the 3 man back looks completely unworkable at everything bar intercounty and senior club championship.

They really missed a trick not making it a free event weekend and getting bodies through the gates. They'd have made a few quid from the bar and food but instead they end up with a ghost town. It was like watching a match during the lockdown. The promotions department in Croker are asleep at the wheel. Not a clue how to generate any interest or atmosphere for any event.

Raoul Duke

I think that the biggest problem with getting some people in was that it was on at 6 o'clock on a Friday. To maximise the crowd it should have been on Saturday/Sunday.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122734660#Comment_122734660

Aido scoring 7 points in new rules in 15 mins.

I'm sure most teams wouldn't want a player like that?

Avon8

One massive flaw exposed late in the second game anyway. Ulster with possession and the lead and Morgan in the opposition half, leading to 12 v 11 and piggy in the middle keeping of possession. Id imagine they'll just have to make keepers remain as keepers, confined to the small square

The main problem with the game for the guts of 20 years is that it's too easy to keep possession. Hurling is brilliant because it's very hard to keep possession, so there's constant contests. Soccer is less brilliant but it rewards pressing because it takes a degree of technical skill to retain possession. Football takes little or no skill to retain possession and therefore no reward for pressing bar tiring yourself out

They keep treating the symptoms rather than the cause. Make it harder to keep possession. One really simple and easy win is to go back to the defined underhand strike with a closed fist, rather than the open palm handpass. The rule that was in place for over 100 years. Anyone who plays will know how difficult it is to get a (defined) underhand strike away while being tackled heavily. Incredibly difficult. You can get rugby tackled and it's still easy to get the open palm handpass away, all it takes is a tiny movement of the fingers. That's what will reward pressing and stop endless back and over

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735685#Comment_122735685

Better again would be the umpires who are doing nothing else when the ball is down the other end.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735769#Comment_122735769

Same. It's such a gigantic anticlimax.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735912#Comment_122735912

After seeing the rules in action I'd agree, they're not improving the game. The handpass is the biggest issue. They should experiment with limiting it to one, max two before you must kick. Fist passing a good idea too as its less accurate.

Tap and go the only real upside in the new rules tonight. The incessant whistling is off putting too. Like watching the abomination that is Aussie Rules. All we did tonight was move 10 steps closer to it.

zetecescort

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735347#Comment_122735347

Umpire can't judge if it's inside or outside the 40m arc so signals a score, then the ref tells him to wave the red if it was kicked from outside

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736058#Comment_122736058

If we translate that across to the club game, where some refs don't even indicate what they're giving a free for, how does the sideline know whether he's just awarded one or two points for a score (no umpires). It could lead to absolute chaos at the final whistle of some games. Seeing it in action (Croke park couldn't even put a legible arc in place), I don't see how the 2pointer or the 3 men back are workable at all levels of the game.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736003#Comment_122736003

The “incessant” whistling was because the ref was miked not because of any rule change.

Throw in - good in that there were no fouls however if refs just enforced rules at throw in it may do the same job

Kick out - good. Quicker kick out resulted in more transition’s

Pass to keeper in own half - good. Once organised teams get a press going you will have to go long. I noticed on a couple of occasions Ulster got into over and back hand passing in their own half but then once Munster pushed up a little because there was no out ball to the keeper they had to move it forward. And because of the 3 up rule there was actually space which seemed to take them by surprise. Once teams train to the new rules it will produce a paradigm shift in my view.

Solo and go - great

50m penalty for delaying the game- brilliant. Will cut out a lot of shite

3 up 3 back - definitely created more space. Should you allow one of your 3 up track the keeper if he chooses to join the attack. Possibly. The visceral hatred of the keeper up the field is a bit strange though. If they have the skill let them go but not uncontested like the current version of the new rule.i think many peoples hatred of it comes from the fact that the keeper became a lynchpin in the incessant possession style. Under a modified version of this proposed rule that would be eliminated

Scoring changes - don’t think so. 3 to 1 goals to points ratio is about right in football. Hurling is the sport that needs to increase the value of the goal unless incessant 90m+ points is your thing. If you want a two pointer though goals need to be increased. The one where they took it to the 40 to take a 13m free so they could score two did it for me though. You will see a few teams mine up their Steph Curry’s at the two point line and it will be a fundamentally different sport.

I think they will push for everything except the scoring change with possibly a modified version of the 3 up rule so a Morgan of Beggan can’t become a freeman. In truth we won’t know the true value of the rules until played in anger though. The FRC is not just putting in new rules and disappearing though. They are in place for another 12months to allow corrective action to be taken on unforeseen consequences and look for further opportunities. I like the process. Am broadly supportive of most of the new rules. But only a season will determine if they are effective.

castletownman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736077#Comment_122736077

Yeah you could still see the rugby markings on from the week before.

They'd be quicker to tidy up the field for a big concert though.

breezy1985

I think the split season has thrown up a good opportunity to bring back the Railway cup. The vast majority of players are idol now so you could play it on the bank holiday just minus a few county finalists.

Move it around in rotation between the 4 provinces every year.

C4000

I think the 2 pointer is fairly central to what they are trying to achieve.....without it you are still likely to have periods of 'patient' over and back possession as teams try to work easier opportunities against opponents that can afford to drop slightly further back.

If it comes in, It'll become essential to have good long range shooters as teams without them won't be able to stay in matches....you could see yesterday how Connaught were able to sling over 4 or 5 in quick sucession.

C4000

One loophole that you could see was if a team are trying to work a two point attempt, say in a close finish, and the other team fouls off the ball and inside the arc, then the free is for a one pointer only.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735769#Comment_122735769

The game is now all about possession and only taking high percentage scoring chances.

Fisting the ball over the bar is taking a high percentage scoring chance.

If it were banned players would not go for goals, they would just recycle the ball until a high percentage kicking chance came along.

Also I think taking a fisted point, especially late in the game is as good example of smart, mature play.

FrancieBrady

Can't fathom the advantage of the 'quarters'. Interesting changes but needs more competitive games to decide.

C4000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736338#Comment_122736338

The quarters are just for these trial matches, just to allow teams to rotate players etc given 2 games in 2 days

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736077#Comment_122736077

No umpires? when has there not been umpires at any club game of any grade? I have never seen that.

coolshannagh28

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735912#Comment_122735912

This sums it all up , the handpass is the essential fault in the game enabling long spells of meaningless possession . Why is there a blind obsession with this to the point of making rule changes that make the game unplayable and unrefereeable and unwatchable . Revert to the fistpass and make some effort to define a tackle and the game will transform .

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736529#Comment_122736529

I don't see kick passing or fist passing changing anything in regards to faffing about on the 45.

Players are totally uncontested so it will just become uncontested kick passes.

piplip87

I think these changes from what I saw last night will open up the game a good bit but also bring back a few player types who may have been missing from the game over the last number of years, the game recently has become who is the best all-rounder and away from certain skill sets. If done right, we could see returns of

• Corner forwards picked for their speed and shooting and not their size or how good they are at getting back. The 3 inside rule ensures that nifty small corner forwards will be seen again in high level football. Hopefully with less emphasis on strength.
• Defenders who are good in 1 on 1 tackles with the speed of the game upped less opportunity to swarm tackle and defenders picked for their 1 on 1 skills, not how quickly they can get forward and back.
• Half forwards and centre field players who maybe were afraid of the stats men telling them they missed a shot etc, with more space on the break and the two pointers hopefully we can see more distance shooting.

I do think whichever manager were looking at their club championships this year with these changes in mind are possibly ahead. I know in my club we have a couple of corner forwards for example, with fantastic pace but the "this lad is too small for intercountry football" line was thrown about and yes in the swarm tackle or tracking back they are useless but give it to them in space and early and they will skin anyone in a one to one situtation.