Bivol v Beterbiev Thread

Dick phelan

I really don't get the calls of Bivol was robbed that I'm seeing online. Very close fight. Beterbiev was the man in the championship rounds and really pulled it back. Not to sit on the fence but I honestly had it a draw. A round either way is fair too but to suggest Bivol clearly won is ridiculous.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714390#Comment_122714390

boxing world constantly full a this absolute nonsense. Very closely and competitively fought fight throughout with several swing rounds.

Dick phelan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714397#Comment_122714397

Exactly people always cry robbery when a fight goes against how they scored it. Hearn making a fool out of himself saying Bivol was coasting and was 8 2 up after 10 rounds. Utter nonsense

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122713832#Comment_122713832

I’m not saying it can’t happen you’re twisting my words. When you consider there is a sizeable proportion of fans calling it a robbery, then there are some close to the middle and a few saying Beterbiev. Bivol was landing in 2s and 3s for every 1. I need to watch it back but from memory Bivol was forced to cover up in 2 rounds and then 11 and 12 were fairly clear.

squinn2912

He never looked remotely close to knocking him out. Early enough on in the fight Beterbiev’s face was well reddened. Bivol planted his feet numerous times. A Bivol KO in similar style to Adonis Stevenson wouldn’t greatly shock me in the rematch

reclose

Good competitive fight. I had beterbiev winning it 7-5.
Interestingly I had Bivol 5-2 up after 7 rounds.
Bivols output dropped off the from 8 onwards which allowed Beterbiev win the rounds.

Two interesting clash of styles. Beterbiev must be a nightmare to fight. Coming forward all night with heavy hands.
Bivol is a great boxer. Nice combos and defends shots well.

squinn2912

I’m playing catch up, just ran 18 miles so I’m a bit tired and pissy hence the ranting barrage.

What’s not being mentioned too much on here is that Beterbiev’s own corner told him he needed a ko. At the end Bivol and his corner were jubilant. Beterbiev was a bit forlorn looking. I know he was chasing a ko and would have been very frustrated but he didn’t have the body language of a man who had won. Sky commentary were sure Bivol had won with a bit to spare. DAZN seemingly the same and then TNT and the Jack Russell reckoned Beterbiev.

Joshua bootsie wanted to be on the right side so that his excellency will line his pockets too down the line, hence the fashion statement - he can be the people of SA’s champion. That’s one thing I despise about these fight nights the boxers have been turned into absolute puppets. A beast like Beterbiev saying that he will do whatever his excellency tells him to do.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714388#Comment_122714388

Unfortunately that fight probably does not get made without the Saudi's involvement.

An other issue I have with the Saudis is their is no atmosphere at these fights at all sadly.

On the rest of the card, not sure Clarke will come back from that sadly and Whittakar is not going to make it as a star attraction as he does not have the power sadly. Its all fun beating up electricians , but to become a genuine star you need to beat elite opposition and he was struggling against Liam Cameron ffs.

ctrl-alt-delete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714506#Comment_122714506

At one point on the DAZn commentary they had said the crowd were buzzing, I assume they meant their phones.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714435#Comment_122714435

Hearn and comments like his are a disgrace. He mustn’t have the cop on to realize that they damage the sport. No issue with anyone arguing it a close fight and could go either way, but cries a robbery here are way off

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714493#Comment_122714493

what’s this running 18 miles nonsense on our day of rest?

megadodge

I have to add my 2cent worth with regard to the scoring.

It was not a robbery.

It was a very close, tight bout. From the 3rd round on I found it very difficult to score the rounds, so much so, that after another few rounds, I just stopped keeping a running score, and decided to just enjoy a superb, top-level fight. While it may not have had the drama of the legendary fights, I still believe this is one of the best technical fights I've seen in a long time. And to top it off, the respectful interviews both did afterwards showed their class wasn't just restricted to their boxing ability.

A few points to ponder:

I was really surprised a fighter as smart and skilled as Bivol didn't clinch/hold at all throughout, especially when he was being bullied around the ring for what seemed like 20/25 seconds at a time. He blocked very well with his high guard, but as he was throwing nothing back for long stretches, it was a bad look and it may have cost him the fight. Beterbiev simply outworked him for long stretches, but if Bivol grabbed him, between the act itself, the ref having to physically break them up and then the boxers having to reset, 10/15 seconds would have elapsed and Beterbiev's momentum would be stymied somewhat.

People are making something out of nothing when stating Beterbiev's corner were telling him he needed a KO with three rounds to go. That's just good cornerwork. Everyone knew the fight was very close, so a strong finish was vital - and so it turned out. Telling a boxer you need a KO when you feel they have more to give is a regular thing for trainers to do and is often done for psychological reasons rather than being how they actually feel.

Fighters reactions immediately following the bell mean very little. How often do you see a fighter who very, very clearly lost, put his hands up at the end? Beterbiev is a very stoic individual, not exactly renowned for being overly expressive, so him not celebrating afterwards, is just Beterbiev being his normal self.

Anyway, I'd love to see a rematch.

Choochtown

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714397#Comment_122714397

Exactly! So called knowledgeable boxing fans who don't realise that four 50/50 swing rounds will mean anything from a 116-112 win for their fighter to a 116-112 loss for the same fighter.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714626#Comment_122714626

yup. Spot on. And not rocket science

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122714435#Comment_122714435

Its people's pockets talking more often than not, and yeah I've been as guilty of it as anyone before. 😊

walshb

I think a lot time it’s folks that switch off near end. So they have their lad say 6-3 or 5-4 up after 9 and he loses the last 3 rds, and it’s like the last 3 rds didn’t register for them and out come the calls of robbery . Oscar-Trinidad 1999 typifies this mentality!

walshb

Bivol lost because he had too many defending moments and too many moments being moved backwards. Judges notice this!!!

Sandor Clegane

Bivol did well when he went forward but couldn't sustain it to any meaningful degree, fast hands with great accuracy but he just doesn't have the power to get to Beterbiev and he clearly wasn't able to take Beterbiev's punches in return, they were obviously getting to him you could see it so he kept having to back off.

bugler

Just listening to Bunce and Barry Jones, apparently there was a fairly serious face off ringside involving some of the scumbags referred to above, though who exactly was opposing them I don't know.

OmegaGene

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122716932#Comment_122716932

that’s why the commentators were shouting wow, people thought they had seen the score cards but it was about the scuffle stopping the bearded twat getting in tbe ring

walshb

Just on a rematch: I think smart money on Artur. Bivol seemed to be flat out and still lost. Artur seemed more relaxed/pedestrian and still bossed the flow a lot more. Rematch could see Artur up the intensity and do a better job

squinn2912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122718608#Comment_122718608

it’s another wafer thin one. Bivol might feel he can’t get a fair decision even if he outlands Beterbiev. He could really, really plant next time and do more damage or he could be caught and stopped. Beterbiev doesn’t fear his power as much as the other way around. Personally, I’d fancy Bivol.

newhouse87

Turki got best surgeon in Saudi out of bed to fix Clarks jaw, he's some man is Turki. Apparently Clarke may retire now. With the range wardley swings that shot, he is lethal if it connects.

OmegaGene

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122719744#Comment_122719744

he told gareth a Davis he’s hoping to be out in the new year

Dick phelan

Rewatched it and I actually think Beterbiev just edged it.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122719794#Comment_122719794

Spencer oliver met him and he said Clarke mentioned thinking of his family and thought he had bleed on brain like him whenshot landed and he reckons he might not be back. Time will tell.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122719905#Comment_122719905

Really hammers home how dangerous boxing is, and even more so when 240lbs is swinging with venom

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122720004#Comment_122720004

Exactly especially for the big lads.

squinn2912

I wanted Wardley to win but I feel very sorry for Clarke to get demolished like that. He didn’t look all that switched on. Wardley is lightening quick.
listened to froch today (for my sins) and he was talking about fisher as the next opponent. Step backwards

blade1

Really wish the best for Clarke…. and Fabio too.

Both come across as two decent lads and well measured in interviews.